The Nationalist's Delusion - Must read

[Starman]

It makes sense if you accept the premise that America is a de facto white country

American nationalists want to pretend this is Europe.

And it never was.

So...

http://www.businessinsider.com/pew-chart-on-americas-changing-demographics-2014-4

So in the 1960's America was 85% white. It was 89.8% White in the 1940's. Not putting up that chart.

So America then was about as White as some countries in Europe are now. Of course back in the 1940's many European countries were probably 95%+ white.

What does it mean, numerically, to be a "white" (or brown, or black, etc.) country? What's the magic number at which a, say Black country loses it's blackness?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

http://www.businessinsider.com/pew-chart-on-americas-changing-demographics-2014-4

So in the 1960's America was 85% white. It was 89.8% White in the 1940's. Not putting up that chart.

So America then was about as White as some countries in Europe are now. Of course back in the 1940's many European countries were probably 95%+ white.

What does it mean, numerically, to be a "white" (or brown, or black, etc.) country? What's the magic number at which a, say Black country loses it's blackness?

go back 200 years and find the demographic stats...

thats where I'm going with this.

 

[Starman]

go back 200 years and find the demographic stats...

thats where I'm going with this.

Pull up the stats yourself and make the point you want to make.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Pull up the stats yourself and make the point you want to make.

You're the dumbass who thought the country was founded in 1960.

 

[Starman]

You're the dumbass who thought the country was founded in 1960.

Am I supposed to defend myself against this charge and derail the thread?
If there's a point you wanted to make, pull up the stats, and make it. Why is it so hard for you to just make your point?

 

[Red Shield]

Good read. But yea....economic anxiety

 

[DrBanneker]

go back 200 years and find the demographic stats...

thats where I'm going with this.

I will post the link from the Census article on this below but first you need to know it is wrong. Black people have been undercounted since the beginning of the republic and it has only been close since the 1990s. It is still off for Black males by about at least 5% I believe. They know it is inaccurate because they use birth and death records by race to compare expected and actual numbers for Whites and Blacks.

Historical Census Statistics On Population Totals By Race, 1790 to 1990, and By Hispanic Origin, 1970 to 1990, For Large Cities And Other Urban Places In The United States

In the 1970s some demographers at Princeton and Upenn used advanced techniques to extrapolate the Black population. I will put their numbers below for certain years in the % of population that was Black. Pretty much except for the bump around 1960 we have been losing share for almost 200 years. I think that is @4d 6f 6e 65 79 point. Also @Booksnrain

Approx. Black pop in thousands and %:


1820 1,800, 19%
1830 2,300, 18%
1840 3,000, 17%
1850 3,700, 16%
1860 4,500, 14%
1870 N/A
1880 7,200, 14%
1890 8,500, 13%
1900 9,900, 13%
1910 11,100, 12%
1920 12,300, 11%
1930 13,600, 11%
1940 14,700, 11%
1950 16,700, 11%
1960 20,700, 12%
1970 24,400, 12%

From:
A Statistical Reconstruction of the Black Population of the United States 1880-1970: Estimates
of True Numbers by Age and Sex, Birth Rates, and Total FertilityAuthor(s): Ansley J. Coale and Norfleet W. Rives, Jr.Source: Population Index, Vol. 39, No. 1 (Jan., 1973), pp. 3-36

Growth of the Black Population in ante bellum America, 1820-1860
Author(s): Jack E. Eblen
Source: Population Studies, Vol. 26, No. 2 (Jul., 1972), pp. 273-289

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I will post the link from the Census article on this below but first you need to know it is wrong. Black people have been undercounted since the beginning of the republic and it has only been close since the 1990s. It is still off for Black males by about at least 5% I believe. They know it is inaccurate because they use birth and death records by race to compare expected and actual numbers for Whites and Blacks.

Historical Census Statistics On Population Totals By Race, 1790 to 1990, and By Hispanic Origin, 1970 to 1990, For Large Cities And Other Urban Places In The United States

In the 1970s some demographers at Princeton and Upenn used advanced techniques to extrapolate the Black population. I will put their numbers below for certain years in the % of population that was Black. Pretty much except for the bump around 1960 we have been losing share for almost 200 years. I think that is @4d 6f 6e 65 79 point. Also @Booksnrain

Approx. Black pop in thousands and %:


1820 1,800, 19%
1830 2,300, 18%
1840 3,000, 17%
1850 3,700, 16%
1860 4,500, 14%
1870 N/A
1880 7,200, 14%
1890 8,500, 13%
1900 9,900, 13%
1910 11,100, 12%
1920 12,300, 11%
1930 13,600, 11%
1940 14,700, 11%
1950 16,700, 11%
1960 20,700, 12%
1970 24,400, 12%

From:
A Statistical Reconstruction of the Black Population of the United States 1880-1970: Estimates
of True Numbers by Age and Sex, Birth Rates, and Total FertilityAuthor(s): Ansley J. Coale and Norfleet W. Rives, Jr.Source: Population Index, Vol. 39, No. 1 (Jan., 1973), pp. 3-36

Growth of the Black Population in ante bellum America, 1820-1860
Author(s): Jack E. Eblen
Source: Population Studies, Vol. 26, No. 2 (Jul., 1972), pp. 273-289

Yep.

If you go even farther back to the 1700s, blacks were at some estimates 40% of the population... and even higher in certain states.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Am I supposed to defend myself against this charge and derail the thread?
If there's a point you wanted to make, pull up the stats, and make it. Why is it so hard for you to just make your point?

We're talking about foundational national identity and you pull up data from 40 years ago.

That displays a profound misunderstanding of the topic.

Context clues, idiot.

 

[Starman]

We're talking about foundational national identity and you pull up data from 40 years ago.

That displays a profound misunderstanding of the topic.

Context clues, idiot.

You don't have a point, do you?

Edit:

Yep.

If you go even farther back to the 1700s, blacks were at some estimates 40% of the population... and even higher in certain states.

Ok, here we go. So America was largely a bi-racial society, it never was as white as white nationalists seem to think, huh? I can dig that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You don't have a point, do you?

Edit:

My nikka you're dumb as fukk. Straight up. I legit don't even want you breathing the same air as me at this moment.

Go back to your Revolutionary War stats from 1965.

 

[Starman]

My nikka you're dumb as fukk. Straight up. I legit don't even want you breathing the same air as me at this moment.

Go back to your Revolutionary War stats from 1965.

Edit:

I will post the link from the Census article on this below but first you need to know it is wrong. Black people have been undercounted since the beginning of the republic and it has only been close since the 1990s. It is still off for Black males by about at least 5% I believe. They know it is inaccurate because they use birth and death records by race to compare expected and actual numbers for Whites and Blacks.

Historical Census Statistics On Population Totals By Race, 1790 to 1990, and By Hispanic Origin, 1970 to 1990, For Large Cities And Other Urban Places In The United States

In the 1970s some demographers at Princeton and Upenn used advanced techniques to extrapolate the Black population. I will put their numbers below for certain years in the % of population that was Black. Pretty much except for the bump around 1960 we have been losing share for almost 200 years.

The 1790 census had Blacks at 17.8%, officially, but even if that's off a bit America was still what, 80% White? But let's not lose sight of the point. To say America was always to some degree or another has been "multi racial" because of an 80-20 White/Black split is disingenuous. Early America was largely bi racial, and still overwhelmingly white. And still up until the 1960s it was 85% white. The projections of a white minority in america by 2040 represent something drastic. America turning into non white majority country is a recent phenomenon. While America was never 100% white, it was closer to that for most of it's history than it was to a white minority country.

Yep.

If you go even farther back to the 1700s, blacks were at some estimates 40% of the population... and even higher in certain states.

Receipts. Don't dodge, post.

 

[Red Shield]

I will post the link from the Census article on this below but first you need to know it is wrong. Black people have been undercounted since the beginning of the republic and it has only been close since the 1990s. It is still off for Black males by about at least 5% I believe. They know it is inaccurate because they use birth and death records by race to compare expected and actual numbers for Whites and Blacks.

Historical Census Statistics On Population Totals By Race, 1790 to 1990, and By Hispanic Origin, 1970 to 1990, For Large Cities And Other Urban Places In The United States

In the 1970s some demographers at Princeton and Upenn used advanced techniques to extrapolate the Black population. I will put their numbers below for certain years in the % of population that was Black. Pretty much except for the bump around 1960 we have been losing share for almost 200 years. I think that is @4d 6f 6e 65 79 point. Also @Booksnrain

Approx. Black pop in thousands and %:


1820 1,800, 19%
1830 2,300, 18%
1840 3,000, 17%
1850 3,700, 16%
1860 4,500, 14%
1870 N/A
1880 7,200, 14%
1890 8,500, 13%
1900 9,900, 13%
1910 11,100, 12%
1920 12,300, 11%
1930 13,600, 11%
1940 14,700, 11%
1950 16,700, 11%
1960 20,700, 12%
1970 24,400, 12%

From:
A Statistical Reconstruction of the Black Population of the United States 1880-1970: Estimates
of True Numbers by Age and Sex, Birth Rates, and Total FertilityAuthor(s): Ansley J. Coale and Norfleet W. Rives, Jr.Source: Population Index, Vol. 39, No. 1 (Jan., 1973), pp. 3-36

Growth of the Black Population in ante bellum America, 1820-1860
Author(s): Jack E. Eblen
Source: Population Studies, Vol. 26, No. 2 (Jul., 1972), pp. 273-289