The NFL is fixed......yes or no?

[NERO]

I have maintained that position on this forum for at least two years. I watch for the hits and the fukkery only.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Just no on so many levels. Have you ever study a team on films? The reason they get figured out all of a sudden is because they fall into patterns. The level in which they're documented is beyond most people's understanding. A decade ago (actually 14 years ago) we use to get percentages of plays called on down and distance by quarter, hash, personnel grouping, and formation. In the actual game we were 70% of the time, that's not a guess, that's an actual number we charted on how correct we were on the plays. That's when I was in college and with 14 years of advancement I can imagine that if a coach isn't constantly evolving how they can go from mind blowing good to bullshyt because as soon as ANYONE gets film especially in the NFL you're done.

I know several coordinators. I can assure you that they're not in on anything. There's a lot of retreads because cronyism is a thing. It's not a grand conspiracy. It's like everything else in this world. If you know people you'll get a job and everyone knows everyone. The problem is most fans think they know more about the sport than they actually do. Most fans don't even know the actual rules let alone how to properly scheme for opponents. ESPN got everyone thinking they know Tampa 2 off top. It's a lot more complicated in practice than the MLB running down the middle of the field.

You can't deny what I said when it's been proven. The NFL protects itself under sports entertainment.
They make and enforce their own rules. They are the only league that does this and have this protection(same as the wwe)

Also, Not all coaches are in on it. I'd even go to say that most aren't. But there are way too many "coincidences" to make this feel like anything but a setup.

 

[calh45]

You can't deny what I said when it's been proven. The NFL protects itself under sports entertainment.
They make and enforce their own rules. They are the only league that does this and have this protection(same as the wwe)

Also, Not all coaches are in on it. I'd even go to say that most aren't. But there are way too many "coincidences" to make this feel like anything but a setup.

1. The referee point I've already tackled. They're part-time, but they're specifically chosen based on the fact that they'd lose their actual livelihood if they were caught up in any game rigging schemes. Len Dawson played in the 60's when everyone had ties to gambling. The mafia ran the country and the biggest gambling conduit in the country back then, but that was 50 years ago. Is there a more quasi-recent example?

2. I'm not going to dive into anti-trust laws too deeply, but they do have oversight in the conditions of their anti-trust exemption agreement which can be revoked at any time by congress. The last league to be threatened with exemption removal was the MLB over the steroids thing. Next, every sport has some sort of functional antitrust exemption, not just the NFL. Most sports have some form of exemption except for boxing so that's definitely more than just the WWE. Also, a company tried to sue the NFL on the basis that they were a single entity and it was ruled they're 32 independent agents that are allowed to collude for business dealings. The NFL is allowed to represent the teams on this behalf, but they're not allowed to meddle in their day to day function - American Needle, Inc. v. National Football League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3 If you geniunely believe that players get paid to play and not win then you've never played an actual sport in your life nor do you know any professional athletes. There are few that are playing for the money and fame, but football is a sport that's played by men who are taking years off of their lives for each hit they take. The coaches give up relationships with their wives and kids. I have a friend who's a coach. He doesn't even have an apartment. He sleeps at the facility every night. They're playing and coaching to win. I played. I know people that play. Holy shyt, do I know secrets about the NFL, but game fixing ain't one of them that's happening. Again, the article refers to players from 50 years ago. Most cats on here don't even know who Paul Hornung is.

4. NFL is just a giant information gathering service run by a former spy. They don't cover up law breaking though. They're just around to let the owners know what kind of real dirt the players are getting into. They're not tasked to "catch real criminals"

5. Really? Spygate? Only the Pats and McDaniels' Broncos. It happened twice. The article writer's inclination is wrong. Just wrong.

6.This is so wrong it's actually surprising that it's presented as an argument. Have you ever research the NFL blackout rules? They're written specifically to encourage fans into the stadium. If a team doesn't have a sell out their game isn't shown on TV in the local market and the networks are prohibited from running a competing game in that time slot. If you lived in the Bay back when Oakland was terrible AND not getting sold out you actually didn't get afternoon games sometimes. If they cared about ratings they'd kill the blackout rule, but they won't. The reason why is because on site revenue from the stadium is the one revenue stream owners keep solely to themselves. That's why stadiums are getting remodeled with more luxury suites. That's why they're including massive big screens in the stadiums. They want people in the seats.

7. This argument is one big "CITATION NEEDED" especially the Arthur Blank quote (Don't believe it.) and the Kraft/Wynn casino (This ain't happening). I've met Bubba Smith, but hell no on the fixing too because that'd mean he and his teammates were in on it because they played fukking terrible. Also, the 49ers got the 13-3 record in 2011 BUT the stadium itself and the structure of the financing was approved 2 years before that. The record and the stadium weren't related. Also, the terms were wrong. $850 was borrowed by the city of Santa Clara Stadium Authority, not the state, and the 49ers borrowed $200 million from the NFL itself. The 49ers aren't really on the hook for anything. That's kinda why they moved from SF to Santa Clara. SF was going to make them take on the cost and Santa Clara didn't give a fukk.

......I was bored and wrote this up. You can agree to disagree, but I went at each of your points. The article took bits and pieces of things from things 50 years ago, stretched isolated incidents into broad assumptions (Spygate for example), and got stuff just wrong (The timing on the 49er stadium deal. I live in the Bay. I know the timeline without even googling it and if a small amount of basic research was done that wouldn't have been used as an example)

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

When you see Ed Hochuli & crew, just know that some team is about to get fukked.

I think he's the main dirt worker

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Ravens fan speaking in. The way the raiders have been hosed and al davis has been spoken so poorly of since the merger should have been a clear sign of something funny. Not sure just how true, but hearing that the steelers were basically the only juicing team in the 1970's (heard terry bradshaw say the whole team was on the stuff. his words, not mine), the fines and penalties art modell paid that I think ultimately made him sell if I remember right, the way we've been treated by the zebras since Bisciotti bought the team allegedly since he tried to get in tight with Al Davis, the way the redskins and cowboys were hit with cap penalties for an uncapped year, the Cinderella run the patriots went on in 2001 including the tuck rule game against the previously metioned raiders, the massive upset in super bowl 3 doing so much for the merger, and the blackout in super bowl 47, not to mention all the awful officials you see across the league seemingly always making favorable calls towards the teams with the most influential owners is too sketchy for me to ignore. I don't think it's broadway play scripted, but the league definitely does all it can to get the results it wants regardless of if those teams are good enough or not. In no way shape or form was the 2012 ravens team good enough to beat the 2011 team, yet they smoked a better new England team in the afc title game a year later and we got the fairy tale narrative of brothers coaching against each other and ray lewis riding off with a second ring while the year before eli leads a giants team that was 7-7 at one point to another thrilling super bowl win over new England. Too sketchy to trust.

 

[Maschine_Man]

1. The referee point I've already tackled. They're part-time, but they're specifically chosen based on the fact that they'd lose their actual livelihood if they were caught up in any game rigging schemes. Len Dawson played in the 60's when everyone had ties to gambling. The mafia ran the country and the biggest gambling conduit in the country back then, but that was 50 years ago. Is there a more quasi-recent example?

2. I'm not going to dive into anti-trust laws too deeply, but they do have oversight in the conditions of their anti-trust exemption agreement which can be revoked at any time by congress. The last league to be threatened with exemption removal was the MLB over the steroids thing. Next, every sport has some sort of functional antitrust exemption, not just the NFL. Most sports have some form of exemption except for boxing so that's definitely more than just the WWE. Also, a company tried to sue the NFL on the basis that they were a single entity and it was ruled they're 32 independent agents that are allowed to collude for business dealings. The NFL is allowed to represent the teams on this behalf, but they're not allowed to meddle in their day to day function - American Needle, Inc. v. National Football League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3 If you geniunely believe that players get paid to play and not win then you've never played an actual sport in your life nor do you know any professional athletes. There are few that are playing for the money and fame, but football is a sport that's played by men who are taking years off of their lives for each hit they take. The coaches give up relationships with their wives and kids. I have a friend who's a coach. He doesn't even have an apartment. He sleeps at the facility every night. They're playing and coaching to win. I played. I know people that play. Holy shyt, do I know secrets about the NFL, but game fixing ain't one of them that's happening. Again, the article refers to players from 50 years ago. Most cats on here don't even know who Paul Hornung is.

4. NFL is just a giant information gathering service run by a former spy. They don't cover up law breaking though. They're just around to let the owners know what kind of real dirt the players are getting into. They're not tasked to "catch real criminals"

5. Really? Spygate? Only the Pats and McDaniels' Broncos. It happened twice. The article writer's inclination is wrong. Just wrong.

6.This is so wrong it's actually surprising that it's presented as an argument. Have you ever research the NFL blackout rules? They're written specifically to encourage fans into the stadium. If a team doesn't have a sell out their game isn't shown on TV in the local market and the networks are prohibited from running a competing game in that time slot. If you lived in the Bay back when Oakland was terrible AND not getting sold out you actually didn't get afternoon games sometimes. If they cared about ratings they'd kill the blackout rule, but they won't. The reason why is because on site revenue from the stadium is the one revenue stream owners keep solely to themselves. That's why stadiums are getting remodeled with more luxury suites. That's why they're including massive big screens in the stadiums. They want people in the seats.

7. This argument is one big "CITATION NEEDED" especially the Arthur Blank quote (Don't believe it.) and the Kraft/Wynn casino (This ain't happening). I've met Bubba Smith, but hell no on the fixing too because that'd mean he and his teammates were in on it because they played fukking terrible. Also, the 49ers got the 13-3 record in 2011 BUT the stadium itself and the structure of the financing was approved 2 years before that. The record and the stadium weren't related. Also, the terms were wrong. $850 was borrowed by the city of Santa Clara Stadium Authority, not the state, and the 49ers borrowed $200 million from the NFL itself. The 49ers aren't really on the hook for anything. That's kinda why they moved from SF to Santa Clara. SF was going to make them take on the cost and Santa Clara didn't give a fukk.

......I was bored and wrote this up. You can agree to disagree, but I went at each of your points. The article took bits and pieces of things from things 50 years ago, stretched isolated incidents into broad assumptions (Spygate for example), and got stuff just wrong (The timing on the 49er stadium deal. I live in the Bay. I know the timeline without even googling it and if a small amount of basic research was done that wouldn't have been used as an example)

Props for replying with a well thought out message
Even thought I still disagree, I think there really is something going on

 

[bear27]

I think so....when they going to fix it for my Vikings though brehs??

All jokes aside i do think some games are fixed by the refs,not sure whether it's through the league or not but the calls are so bad in some of these games,i don't feel anyone is that incompetent.The way they keep changing the rules and making them up (Tuck Rule,i'm still at that and i'm not even a Raider fan) for their favourites seems too much to me.

 

[Copy Ninja]

If it's fixed, wouldn't it be more profitable for the league if the Jets win the SB or at least be relevant? Same with the Chicago, Philly, or any other of those teams in the major cities?

Why would a coach play along with fixed games especially with millions of dollars on the line for him and his family? Same with GMs or other NFL executives who get fired for their teams doing poorly. Same shyt for players too? Why would a 4th string guy play along as the 4th string guy?

And with all the randomness that takes place on the weekly basis, how can you say that shyt is fixed? Helmet catches in the SB, butt fumbles, eye pokes, shootings, beatings, all that NFL good shyt. Is that fixed too?

 

[Geek Nasty]

Ravens fan speaking in. The way the raiders have been hosed and al davis has been spoken so poorly of since the merger should have been a clear sign of something funny. Not sure just how true, but hearing that the steelers were basically the only juicing team in the 1970's (heard terry bradshaw say the whole team was on the stuff. his words, not mine), the fines and penalties art modell paid that I think ultimately made him sell if I remember right, the way we've been treated by the zebras since Bisciotti bought the team allegedly since he tried to get in tight with Al Davis, the way the redskins and cowboys were hit with cap penalties for an uncapped year, the Cinderella run the patriots went on in 2001 including the tuck rule game against the previously metioned raiders, the massive upset in super bowl 3 doing so much for the merger, and the blackout in super bowl 47, not to mention all the awful officials you see across the league seemingly always making favorable calls towards the teams with the most influential owners is too sketchy for me to ignore. I don't think it's broadway play scripted, but the league definitely does all it can to get the results it wants regardless of if those teams are good enough or not. In no way shape or form was the 2012 ravens team good enough to beat the 2011 team, yet they smoked a better new England team in the afc title game a year later and we got the fairy tale narrative of brothers coaching against each other and ray lewis riding off with a second ring while the year before eli leads a giants team that was 7-7 at one point to another thrilling super bowl win over new England. Too sketchy to trust.

Truth. I'm a Steelers fan and when the league was always fukking with James Harrison he had some bullshyt flags thorwn on him. Too lazy to look it up, but they threw a flag on him for sacking a QB once and landing on him (replay showed it wasn't even his body it was his arm). He even had one month back for blocking a WR too hard after an interception. Except for the Pats, any time any team has some shyt going on with the NFL expect fukkery.

 

[Fart Knocker]

the refs were trying their hardest yesterday to give dallas the W. 2 bullshyt PI penalties on the last drive cause Dez acted like the immature bytch that he is

 

[DonKnock]

if they're rigging the games they need to do a better job



shyts are mostly blowouts

 

[Maschine_Man]

If it's fixed, wouldn't it be more profitable for the league if the Jets win the SB or at least be relevant? Same with the Chicago, Philly, or any other of those teams in the major cities?

Why would a coach play along with fixed games especially with millions of dollars on the line for him and his family? Same with GMs or other NFL executives who get fired for their teams doing poorly. Same shyt for players too? Why would a 4th string guy play along as the 4th string guy?

And with all the randomness that takes place on the weekly basis, how can you say that shyt is fixed? Helmet catches in the SB, butt fumbles, eye pokes, shootings, beatings, all that NFL good shyt. Is that fixed too?

Obviously they aren't scripting every play and every moment. But they certainly are fixing some games and creating matchups that make better storylines.

And the league doesn't give a fukk about the jets like that. The Giants are ny's team. And not just that but the jets sell out regardless.
AND on top of all that. The league is profitable for every team because of profit sharing. Did you know that teams share there home game revenue?
That's right, teams like Jacksonville or Miami are getting a piece of New England's money.
Just like merchandise and everything.

As long as the league stays interesting and create money then all the owners make money

 

[I AM WE ARE]

i think they do it to keep the viewers interested look at the panthers game and how many other games went to o.t. or were blow outs and all ova sudden close at the end

 

[Fresh]

Refs been crooked or dumb forever

of course, I ain't sayin THAT'S new, you will alwayz have ref fukk ups and suspect calls



but you gotta admit the refs have been straight up DROWNING the NFL and NBA with fukkin horrible calls over the past few years.

I mean most people noticed and been talkin about the fukkery skyrocketing with the calls over the past few years. Even regardless of their squad.

Where u been?

 

[J-Fire]

Refs are instructed on what to call & look-for by the NFL or any sport. By nature of the hierarchy you don't have to blatantly tell a ref to cheat.

NFL refs always call holding outside of shoulders....but 50/50 on holding inside of shoulders. inside holding can be used to control games & all the NFL has to do is suggest a team inside holds & tell refs look for it.





And in the NBA making a rule against the Allen Iverson crossover once he tatted & braided up was an easy fix to slow him down.