The NFL needs to change the OT rules again(Rule Changed)

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

it's better now... offenses have too much of an advantage in today's league so yeah both teams should get the ball and then sudden death ensues

 

[PortCityProphet]

If you win the toss you still get the ball 3rd they don't even switch it . Coin toss still the most important part of overtime

It changes nothing except more games gon end on 4th down and 2pt conv attempts.
Defense still has to make a stop.

Shoulda kept it how it was

 

[Primetime21]

Only changed for playoff games

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

If you win the toss you still get the ball 3rd they don't even switch it . Coin toss still the most important part of overtime

Win the toss. Score a TD. Have to decide whether you want to go for 2 or point after.


Second team gets the ball and now knows whether they need to go for 2 or not.

Adds strategy to the game about whether you want to kick off or take the ball first now

 

[8WON6]

this is stupid. you played a whole game already. overtime is supposed to be sudden death. You were guaranteed possessions at the start of the 1st quarter. If they wanted to make it fair borrow that old XFL shyt where 2 dudes race for 1st possession.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Fans will still complain if two teams are cooking offensively.

 

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[triplehate]

Fans will still complain if two teams are cooking offensively.

That's the best part about sports though, complaining. Not the offenses cooking

 

[triplehate]

Win the toss. Score a TD. Have to decide whether you want to go for 2 or point after.


Second team gets the ball and know knows whether they need to go for 2 or not.

Adds strategy to the game about whether you want to kick off or take the ball first now

If you win the toss and decide to kick off, you should already have the two point play in mind. Ain't no way you just kick the extra point

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think they did a good job of compromising with the rule change.

They don’t. The other fair option would be to have two timed OT periods where each team starts with the ball. That would be undesirable/undoable for obvious reasons, tho.


EDIT: It’s clear that the opening coin toss has negligible effect on who the winner will be (it’s roughly 50/50 from historical data) Currently, the coin toss in OT has a significant impact on who the winner will become (10 of 11 coin toss winners in OT win the game). That’s obviously unfair.

Overtime coin toss also has a negligible impact on winning - just 54% of overtime coin toss winners end up winning the game. Yes, in the playoffs you've had 10 out of 12 coin toss winners win the game (7 of them on the opening possession), but that's too small a sample size to make decisions from.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I think they did a good job of compromising with the rule change.






Overtime coin toss also has a negligible impact on winning - just 54% of overtime coin toss winners end up winning the game. Yes, in the playoffs you've had 10 out of 12 coin toss winners win the game (7 of them on the opening possession), but that's too small a sample size to make decisions from.

You know you don’t believe this.

If your team goes into OT you are anxiously watching that coin toss at a much higher level than you watch the opening coin toss. Can’t just dismiss the playoff OT results when they’re that lopsided. The overall OT stat is faulty because a) it doesn’t account for the changes in rules that favor offenses in the last couple decades, and b) the average playoff team is better than the average regular season team, so it’s not surprising that they’d be able to take a greater advantage of this bias than the average regular season team.

What’s the argument against simply guaranteeing equal possessions? Kinda like the college rules except special teams are still involved (so the game is played the same as the previous 60 minutes)? Other than “this is how we’ve always done it”, I haven’t read a reason why this couldn’t easily work. It’s clearly much fairer.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You know you don’t believe this.

If your team goes into OT you are anxiously watching that coin toss at a much higher level than you watch the opening coin toss. Can’t just dismiss the playoff OT results when they’re that lopsided. The overall OT stat is faulty because a) it doesn’t account for the changes in rules that favor offenses in the last couple decades,

Wrong. That 54% stat is just since 2017, so it completely accounts for the modern offensive rules. If you go back to 2012 (when the current overtime rules started), it's actually exactly 50% of coin toss winners that have won in overtime.

b) the average playoff team is better than the average regular season team, so it’s not surprising that they’d be able to take a greater advantage of this bias than the average regular season team.

I considered that, but they should have a better defense too, shouldn't they?

What’s the argument against simply guaranteeing equal possessions? Kinda like the college rules except special teams are still involved (so the game is played the same as the previous 60 minutes)? Other than “this is how we’ve always done it”, I haven’t read a reason why this couldn’t easily work. It’s clearly much fairer.

The main argument is that it would extend games too long and lead to more injuries. The longer a game goes on, the fewer players you have available and the more fatigued players are getting, making the chance of injury that much greater.

I think the new rule is a strong compromise.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Wrong. That 54% stat is just since 2017, so it completely accounts for the modern offensive rules. If you go back to 2012 (when the current overtime rules started), it's actually exactly 50% of coin toss winners that have won in overtime.

I considered that, but they should have a better defense too, shouldn't they?

The main argument is that it would extend games too long and lead to more injuries. The longer a game goes on, the fewer players you have available and the more fatigued players are getting, making the chance of injury that much greater.

I think the new rule is a strong compromise.

You didn’t post your source, so how am I supposed to know what dates that covered?

The average playoff team would have a better defense than the average regular season game, the game still favors good offense (outside of the GREAT defenses). Plus, average playoff matchups are going to be between two more evenly matched teams than your average regular season game. Even though they play evenly through 60 minutes, that talent differential is important in the OT session.


Games could be longer, but I don’t think that’s a valid reason to throw fairness out the window. I don’t buy the injury argument; seems like hyperbolic conjecture, especially for a league that just added an extra regular season game. We’ve had a couple multi OT games, and I don’t recall a huge spike in injuries in those games. Granted it’s very small sample size, but very few games would get that far with equal possessions too. Endurance is a part of the game.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You didn’t post your source, so how am I supposed to know what dates that covered?

Then ask questions instead of just making shyt up. The source was the link announcing the rule change that was already posted in this thread today.

NFL approves OT rules tweak for playoffs only

Since the current requirement for an opening-possession touchdown was instituted for the 2012 regular season, teams winning the coin toss have won 50% of the time, according to league data. That number has ticked up a bit to 54% since the league shorted overtime from a maximum of 15 to 10 minutes in 2017

As pointed out, it's been 10 out of 12 in the playoffs, but that's way too small a sample size.

If your theory is disproven, the sensible thing is to admit you were wrong and accept the alternative theory, not just keep trying to make up new rationales to prove yourself right.

I don’t buy the injury argument; seems like hyperbolic conjecture, especially for a league that just added an extra regular season game. We’ve had a couple multi OT games, and I don’t recall a huge spike in injuries in those games. Granted it’s very small sample size, but very few games would get that far with equal possessions too. Endurance is a part of the game.

The fact that injuries increase with fatigue is one of the greatest certainties in sports medicine breh.

 

[duncanthetall]

Lame as fukk. All because the new media darlings, the Bills, forgot how to play any semblance of defense. Clown shyt just gonna make an overstuffed, long ass product even longer.