The Official 2020 NBA Draft Talk Thread (11/18)

[Left.A1]

see that is something I didn’t know. I just assumed based on his position and play style from the sizzle reels I’ve seen that he was a shooter. That’s why I can’t say much about this draft I clearly haven’t looked at these players enough.

And I was saying I’d love him or Obi on the Cavs. When he’s probably got a lot in common with Cedi.

Yeah a lot of misinformation and rose colored glasses on prospects that scouts have stylistic biases towards during the draft process ...thats why you often have to research yourself ... way too much false info where people using cheap theories and cherry picked data support or slander certain players

 

[FaTaL]

And thats the rub for a general manager as you cant draft from hindsight... so you have to decide if the skills you see on tape or in person can actually project out to the role you're anticipating said player to fill... If a team just needs a rebounder/paint defender big body ..sure Im pretty confident he can do that just based on athletic measurable's but even at the high end of that spectrum that kind of player is more in the vein of a Hassan Whiteside/Andre Drummond type of player and not a franchise cornerstone ...which begs the question on just how high do you draft that kind of player in comparison to dudes who have more potential #1 option/center piece upside

I don’t think those are fair comparisons, Wiseman is actually further along then those players at the same age. You can actually project that wiseman will be a good shooter one day, the form is there. In this draft it’s my opinion that wiseman has the highest upside. Roll the dice and see what happens

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That is what we won’t know for at least 3 years

For at least three years? At LEAST?



And yet you still want the Warriors to draft him with a core whose window will be closed before then. Lord have mercy.

I don’t think those are fair comparisons, Wiseman is actually further along then those players at the same age. You can actually project that wiseman will be a good shooter one day, the form is there. In this draft it’s my opinion that wiseman has the highest upside. Roll the dice and see what happens

How do you even know exactly where Wiseman is at when he's only played a handful of competitive games over the last two years?

And this projection about him being a good shooter, one day, is all just blind faith optimism rather than anything that's based in reality.

 

[FaTaL]

For at least three years? At LEAST?



And yet you still want the Warriors to draft him with a core whose window will be closed before then. Lord have mercy.



How do you even know exactly where Wiseman is at when he's only played a handful of competitive games over the last two years?

And this projection about him being a good shooter, one day, is all just blind faith optimism rather than anything that's based in reality.

I’m making a short term and long term investment at the same time with the best athlete in the draft. Instead u want to draft a mediocre player who will be the next dunleavy at best.

 

[Left.A1]

I don’t think those are fair comparisons, Wiseman is actually further along then those players at the same age

I don't know if that really means much in this case just in the sense that I'm talking about those players at their peak ..not what they were as prospects and theres not even a guarantee that wiseman gets to that even with his current ability ... although i do think its more likely than not ...not every prospect materializes a constant upward development trajectory even if they start at a higher point than another

You can actually project that wiseman will be a good shooter one day, the form is there. In this draft it’s my opinion that wiseman has the highest upside. Roll the dice and see what happens

Thats an optimistic viewpoint... personally I'm that type that needs to see something tangible by way of on court results before projecting a skill like that out ...he's just a weird one to judge tho because of the lack of collegiate games on tape

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I’m making a short term and long term investment at the same time with the best athlete in the draft. Instead u want to draft a mediocre player who will be the next dunleavy at best.

And yet the "next Dunleavy at best" will help the Warriors in their quest to win a championship over the next 1-2 seasons more than this player who's "at least three years" away.

You're basically conceding that GS shouldn't maximize whatever chances they have of winning next season, all for the sake of an unproven prospect who you believe won't be ready to reach whatever status you think he will until 2024.

Warriors might as well just tank the next season too.

 

[Left.A1]

I’m making a short term and long term investment at the same time with the best athlete in the draft. Instead u want to draft a mediocre player who will be the next dunleavy at best.

Damn.

 

[FaTaL]

I don't know if that really means much in this case just in the sense that I'm talking about those players at their peak ..not what they were as prospects and theres not even a guarantee that wiseman gets to that even with his current ability ... although i do think its more likely than not ...not every prospect materializes a constant upward development trajectory even if they start at a higher point than another



Thats an optimistic viewpoint... personally I'm that type that needs to see something tangible by way of on court results before projecting a skill like that out ...he's just a weird one to judge tho because of the lack of collegiate games on tape

Yea it’s unfortunate about what happened in college, the warriors are drafting high, might as well roll the dice because with their cap situation they are stuck with mle centers for the foreseeable future if they don’t get one in this draft. Warriors have zero big men signed after the next season. That’s why it’s so important to get a big on a rookie contract.

 

[FaTaL]

And yet the "next Dunleavy at best" will help the Warriors in their quest to win a championship over the next 1-2 seasons more than this player who's "at least three years" away.

You're basically conceding that GS shouldn't maximize whatever chances they have of winning next season, all for the sake of an unproven prospect who you believe won't be ready to reach whatever status you think he will until 2024.

Warriors might as well just tank the next season too.

3 years away as the number 1 option. He doesn’t need to be the main option now.

Guys like dunleavy don’t win games, they get dunked on and casted out. You really want a sf who can’t shoot 3’s or fts? Might as well just bring in lonzo then. Draft a mediocre athlete who can’t even shoot, yea that will work! He passes so well though!

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

3 years away as the number 1 option. He doesn’t need to be the main option now.

Guys like dunleavy don’t win games, they get dunked on and casted out. You really want a sf who can’t shoot 3’s or fts? Might as well just bring in lonzo then. Draft a mediocre athlete who can’t even shoot, yea that will work! He passes so well though!

Why do you keep trying to stamp these talking points when it's clear as day you haven't even seen enough of his play? Do you think if you keep repeating them that they'll somehow manifest themselves into reality?

Just because you want Wiseman doesn't mean you have to manipulate and falsify these stories that put him in the best light, and players who you don't want, in their worst light. All you've done is paint the best picture possible for Wiseman, and you've just thrown the paintbrush at the canvas for Deni and made out that's who he is.

It's lazy and dishonest analysis.

 

[Left.A1]

Yea it’s unfortunate about what happened in college, the warriors are drafting high, might as well roll the dice because with their cap situation they are stuck with mle centers for the foreseeable future if they don’t get one in this draft. Warriors have zero big men signed after the next season. That’s why it’s so important to get a big on a rookie contract.

Is that all that bad tho... its not like the Warriors with this current roster build has needed a dominant Center to win 3 rings and make 5 straight finals... I just don't know if that position is all that important considering Klay/Steph/Dray/Wiggins will all more than likely be higher on the pecking order for the foreseeable future ... I think a position/skillset of higher value like PG/Wing is what they should roll the dice on as far as finding their future star ... Edwards/Okoro seem to make more sense as far as projecting out an elite level modern player 3 years down the road... they can get ring chasers for the low and exception level players to fill out the help spots

 

[FaTaL]

Why do you keep trying to stamp these talking points when it's clear as day you haven't even seen enough of his play? Do you think if you keep repeating them that they'll somehow manifest themselves into reality?

Just because you want Wiseman doesn't mean you have to manipulate and falsify these stories that put him in the best light, and players who you don't want, in their worst light. All you've done is paint the best picture possible for Wiseman, and you've just thrown the paintbrush at the canvas for Deni and made out that's who he is.

It's lazy and dishonest analysis.

I’m ok with wiseman or okongwu, they need a young big so bad.

What’s Deni’s upside? If he doesn’t become a great shooter it’s not like he can fall back on being a super athlete. Can he be a solid player? He’ll yea, when your drafting this high up you need to aim for sky

 

[FaTaL]

Is that all that bad tho... its not like the Warriors with this current roster build has needed a dominant Center to win 3 rings and make 5 straight finals... I just don't know if that position is all that important considering Klay/Steph/Dray/Wiggins will all more than likely be higher on the pecking order for the foreseeable future ... I think a position/skillset of higher value like PG/Wing is what they should roll the dice on as far as finding their future star ... Edwards/Okoro seem to make more sense as far as projecting out an elite level modern player 3 years down the road... they can get ring chasers for the low and exception level players to fill out the help spots

How would u currently rank the warriors front court? Is it good enough to win The finals?

 

[Left.A1]

How would u currently rank the warriors front court? Is it good enough to win The finals?

I mean we're months away from being at the start of the season and roster finalizations so i don't really know what that ranking is currently worth...let's call it the worst for arguments sake ... i would still say that the warriors hypothetical inferior interior talent would be less of a determining factor on this teams success than their perimeter talent dominance as its always been

 

[FaTaL]

I mean we're months away from being at the start of the season and roster finalizations so i don't really know what that ranking is currently worth...let's call it the worst for arguments sake ... i would still say that the warriors hypothetical inferior interior talent would be less of a determining factor on this teams success than their perimeter talent dominance as its always been

I disagree, there just so small and un athletic right now.