The OFFICIAL 2023 College Football RANDOM THOUGHTS Thread
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DropTopDoc
20/20 Vision With my Buffs On
He gon come in here mad, call you a c00n then go pray to his poster of Deion, before he sleeps in his prime sweatshirt
Beat scUM Saturday. By 8
They will not, they gon lay it down early so we can wrap this shyt up, in time for mrs Smitty to tuck you in
You bout to do what to who
Ayyyyooo that’s crazy
Clemson @ Miami…..
On the ACC Network
Not even jpp status
Nah our president is Kevin Warren, you think he’s a fan of ol Jim
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Update on #cheatgate
Wasn't the OC raided by the feds for some computer use?
Then all this HAMAS ish goes down?
"In my streets...nooooo coincidence!"
No wonder they're so adept at snuffing teams in the 2nd half. Rutgers was up that first half too then all of a sudden it's like they knew everything they were about to run
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
No wonder they're so adept at snuffing teams in the 2nd half. Rutgers was up that first half too then all of a sudden it's like they knew everything they were about to run
They finna get to that 1000 wins they been hyping only to have to do it all over again after forfeiting 2021-current
2020 was the real Harbaugh
#DeathPenalty
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Prepares new calendar
Totally honest here, since I was riding the bench anyway and coaches knew I was smart, my coach explicitly asked me to see if I could steal signs. We only tried it for one game, maybe if I had done more research or watched film then I would have had a better shot. But we spent one game in particular where my only job was to watch every single sign the coordinator gave and try to memorize them and see if we could correlate to particular plays on the field.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Have one of the scUMmers on here put you on with Jim...he's going to need a new strategy since ex-military won't work anymore. Prolly could have you as a walk-on, or one of the "coaches"
Also, before the "well everyone does it and it isn't illegal" crowd wakes up and enters the thread, it wasn't the stealing of signs that got them jammed up, it was the methodology of how they were stealing signs that was illegal.
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Trust Me
Coli Prophet
So these articles can use catch words and phrases like ‘ex-military’ and y’all go off your rockers.
It makes sense that the ones in here with the slander, have been on the tail end of multiple ass whoopings.
But carry on
Them beatings ain’t gonna stop anytime soon.
It makes sense that the ones in here with the slander, have been on the tail end of multiple ass whoopings.
But carry on
Them beatings ain’t gonna stop anytime soon.
lol, I was useless so he don't want me. I think the biggest issue was that I didn't know the other team's plays at all, so I was trying to find correlations between signals and actions on the fly. If he had given me a bunch of tape to watch all week so I could memorize their plays and then identify them immediately, I think I might have had more success matching the signals to specific formations and plays. Or maybe it's just too hard to do in real time and you can only do it from prepping on previous games.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Somehow y'all infiltrated the CIA, then y'all start victim blamingSo these articles can use catch words and phrases like ‘ex-military’ and y’all go off your rockers.
It makes sense that the ones in here with the slander, have been on the tail end of multiple ass whoopings.
But carry on
Them beatings ain’t gonna stop anytime soon.
2020 reversion to the mean starts Saturday
Trust Me
Coli Prophet
To say that Wednesday’s “sign stealing” accusations came as a surprise to folks inside Schembechler Hall would be an understatement. “No clue”, “no idea”, “your guess is as good as mine” were just a few of the sentiments expressed to me regarding what could have possibly led to the allegations and who made them. They barely had time to react before another leak sprung about an NCAA investigation into Michigan with seemingly little concern from the organization itself about how the leak happened.
Draw your own conclusions as to why.
The more pressing concern now is how does Michigan even begin to defend itself against such a nebulous charge? First, everyone steals signs. If they didn’t, coaches wouldn’t go to such lengths to encrypt them. But reports say Michigan is suspected of going above and beyond what “everyone” does. The lack of further details has invited all kinds of speculation about who the complainants are, and much of the early chatter was aimed at Rutgers.
Upon checking in with a well-placed source in the Garden State, a vehement denial about any involvement from the Scarlet Knights was relayed. The word from inside their program is they had nothing to do with this/ I was also told that the interview with Greg Schiano at halftime of this year’s Michigan game where he said, “there some things that are going on that aren't right” is being wrongly attached to this accusation. The Rutgers source says the comment was a complaint about the referees, not about Michigan, and certainly not the allegations that came to light today. The notion that Schiano is carrying Ohio State’s water was also shot down. The source said Schiano isn’t the type to do another coach’s dirty work, let alone for one who didn’t retain him in Columbus after being named head coach in 2019.
Denials aside, Schiano being the complainant makes zero sense anyway. Why would Michigan feel the need to steal signs from Rutgers? And if it had done so, would it really have trailed 17-13 at halftime last year, and 7-0 for much of the first quarter this year before nursing a 14-7 at the break? Did Harbaugh & company just wait until the second half to use their ill-gotten gains just so they could catch the mighty Scarlet Knights off guard? Like I said, that makes zero sense.
The advanced scouting charges had to have come from one of the upper tiered teams. Penn State certainly fits that bill, but Michigan trailed Penn State 17-14 in the third quarter last year. Did the Wolverines strangely wait until that point to start putting their surreptitious intel to use, or did they simply wear the Nittany Lions down over the first 2.5 quarters before exploding for two big runs to blow the game open? The latter seems more likely. Besides, given James Franklin’s history in Ann Arbor he just doesn’t seem to be a likely complainant. Simply put, he’s accustomed to getting destroyed in the Big House. His only road win versus Michigan came during the COVID year., and that was after getting bombed 49-10 in 2016, 42-7 in 2018, Last year’s 41-17 loss was just a return to normalcy.
That leaves Ohio State, and there is speculation in Maize & Blue circles that Ryan Day is the one crying about sign stealing. No one knows for sure, but there have been rumblings about sign stealing emanating from Buckeye fans on message boards and social media ever since last year’s evisceration in Columbus. Before yesterday it was laughed off as another fan conspiracy theory, but it’s not a laughing matter if coaches are reporting flying saucers, too.
Blaming signing stealing would be in keeping with other deflective comments like “one bad half” and “five bad plays.” It would also distract further from the real reason Ohio State got embarrassed on its home field in 2022.
Abysmal coaching manifested in a terrible game plan and incompetent in-game adjustments.
I’ve plowed this ground thoroughly before, but it seems necessary to till it again.
One of the major talking points leading into last year’s matchup between Michigan and Ohio State was U-M’s struggles versus Illinois. Ryan Walters’ Illini defense pressured and pressed the Wolverines all over the field, and almost pulled the upset. It begged an obvious question – would Ohio State try to co-opt the Illini strategy?
I said in the preview of “The Game” that Ohio State didn’t have the personnel to execute Illinois’ gameplan and that it wasn’t in keeping with the style of play they’d exhibited up to that point. But the Buckeyes went out and tried to impersonate Illini anyway. And why not? Michigan had shoved duo runs down their throats in 2021, Blake Corum was likely out, Donovan Edwards was also injured, and the Buckeyes didn’t respect JJ McCarthy’s ability to beat them.
But like I said, they were only impersonating Illinois. Consider Ohio State’s defensive approach in the biggest game of the season before its matchup with Michigan, Penn State. The Buckeyes opened versus the Nittany Lions with the following defensive coverages –
But for the sake of argument, If Michigan had had such intel, during its first offensive series would it have called a naked boot right into a SAM dog, causing McCarthy to get rid of the ball and get an intentional grounding penalty?
If Michigan were stealing signals, would it have called a six-man protection on a double eagle, double A blitz where it couldn't even pick up one of the inside guys coming? That was what Michigan did on McCarthy’s first touchdown pass. That’s two plays where the star quarterback could’ve gotten plastered… scenarios that any coach would avoid if he had advanced warning. So, if Michigan wasn’t tipped off to the blitz, why was the play successful?
McCarthy recognized the zero-blitz scenario, bought time by drifting to his left after receiving the snap, then hit the hot to Cornelius Johnson. But instead of the pass going for a 10-yard completion, it went the distance because the Buckeye corner press bailed to the inside, in zero coverage??? I asked Johnson about that coverage technique during an offseason interview, and he was still confused by it. The Buckeye defender wound up turning his back to Johnson as the ball arrived, then turned all the way around for a tackle attempt, a maneuver that made the tackle much easier to break.
That’s poor coaching.
From there the Buckeyes proceeded to leave the middle of the defense wide open four times -- three on zero blitzes, and one time in a split safety defense where the backside corner chased the tight end across the field, vacating a whole half the field in the process. Johnson double moved the safety on his side, and when he headed to the post there wasn’t a defender anywhere in sight.
That’s poor coaching.
On Coleston Loveland’s out-and-up touchdown, Ohio State went zero blitz again. The Buckeye safety bit on the out again, leaving Loveland wide open for the catch and run touchdown.
That’s poor coaching.
After getting beat like a drum twice because of too much aggression, Ohio State continued to play with abandon. On Donovan Edwards first touchdown run, the Buckeyes went cover 1. Johnson ran the corner covering him off when he went to crack the safety (thus taking two players out of the play). When Edwards broke the line of scrimmage on an open zone there wasn’t a defender anywhere in site. It was off to the races for another touchdown.
That’s poor coaching.
At that point you’d think the Buckeye brass would have gotten the memo and would’ve started protecting its defense more. You would’ve thought wrong. Another zero blitz, and another instance where Edwards breaks the line of scrimmage and only sees green grass in front of him.
That’s incompetent coaching.
And the difference between what I wrote in the piece and the accusations of sign stealing is I’ve already produced the proof to back up my assertions. Time will tell if the Buckeyes… or whoever the accusers are… do the same.
And by the way, NCAA, if you’re really worried about sign stealing, how about following the NFL’s lead from 30 YEARS AFTER the FACT and put one-way radios in quarterback helmets. That went so well that 15 years ago the NFL allowed one defensive player on every team to have a radio, too. Seems like an easy fix if sign stealing is truly a concern. Just sayin’.
Draw your own conclusions as to why.
The more pressing concern now is how does Michigan even begin to defend itself against such a nebulous charge? First, everyone steals signs. If they didn’t, coaches wouldn’t go to such lengths to encrypt them. But reports say Michigan is suspected of going above and beyond what “everyone” does. The lack of further details has invited all kinds of speculation about who the complainants are, and much of the early chatter was aimed at Rutgers.
Upon checking in with a well-placed source in the Garden State, a vehement denial about any involvement from the Scarlet Knights was relayed. The word from inside their program is they had nothing to do with this/ I was also told that the interview with Greg Schiano at halftime of this year’s Michigan game where he said, “there some things that are going on that aren't right” is being wrongly attached to this accusation. The Rutgers source says the comment was a complaint about the referees, not about Michigan, and certainly not the allegations that came to light today. The notion that Schiano is carrying Ohio State’s water was also shot down. The source said Schiano isn’t the type to do another coach’s dirty work, let alone for one who didn’t retain him in Columbus after being named head coach in 2019.
Denials aside, Schiano being the complainant makes zero sense anyway. Why would Michigan feel the need to steal signs from Rutgers? And if it had done so, would it really have trailed 17-13 at halftime last year, and 7-0 for much of the first quarter this year before nursing a 14-7 at the break? Did Harbaugh & company just wait until the second half to use their ill-gotten gains just so they could catch the mighty Scarlet Knights off guard? Like I said, that makes zero sense.
The advanced scouting charges had to have come from one of the upper tiered teams. Penn State certainly fits that bill, but Michigan trailed Penn State 17-14 in the third quarter last year. Did the Wolverines strangely wait until that point to start putting their surreptitious intel to use, or did they simply wear the Nittany Lions down over the first 2.5 quarters before exploding for two big runs to blow the game open? The latter seems more likely. Besides, given James Franklin’s history in Ann Arbor he just doesn’t seem to be a likely complainant. Simply put, he’s accustomed to getting destroyed in the Big House. His only road win versus Michigan came during the COVID year., and that was after getting bombed 49-10 in 2016, 42-7 in 2018, Last year’s 41-17 loss was just a return to normalcy.
That leaves Ohio State, and there is speculation in Maize & Blue circles that Ryan Day is the one crying about sign stealing. No one knows for sure, but there have been rumblings about sign stealing emanating from Buckeye fans on message boards and social media ever since last year’s evisceration in Columbus. Before yesterday it was laughed off as another fan conspiracy theory, but it’s not a laughing matter if coaches are reporting flying saucers, too.
Blaming signing stealing would be in keeping with other deflective comments like “one bad half” and “five bad plays.” It would also distract further from the real reason Ohio State got embarrassed on its home field in 2022.
Abysmal coaching manifested in a terrible game plan and incompetent in-game adjustments.
I’ve plowed this ground thoroughly before, but it seems necessary to till it again.
One of the major talking points leading into last year’s matchup between Michigan and Ohio State was U-M’s struggles versus Illinois. Ryan Walters’ Illini defense pressured and pressed the Wolverines all over the field, and almost pulled the upset. It begged an obvious question – would Ohio State try to co-opt the Illini strategy?
I said in the preview of “The Game” that Ohio State didn’t have the personnel to execute Illinois’ gameplan and that it wasn’t in keeping with the style of play they’d exhibited up to that point. But the Buckeyes went out and tried to impersonate Illini anyway. And why not? Michigan had shoved duo runs down their throats in 2021, Blake Corum was likely out, Donovan Edwards was also injured, and the Buckeyes didn’t respect JJ McCarthy’s ability to beat them.
But like I said, they were only impersonating Illinois. Consider Ohio State’s defensive approach in the biggest game of the season before its matchup with Michigan, Penn State. The Buckeyes opened versus the Nittany Lions with the following defensive coverages –
- under scrape three
- cover three
- cover three
- cover two
- two robber
- cover four
- cover three
- cover four
- cover three...
But for the sake of argument, If Michigan had had such intel, during its first offensive series would it have called a naked boot right into a SAM dog, causing McCarthy to get rid of the ball and get an intentional grounding penalty?
If Michigan were stealing signals, would it have called a six-man protection on a double eagle, double A blitz where it couldn't even pick up one of the inside guys coming? That was what Michigan did on McCarthy’s first touchdown pass. That’s two plays where the star quarterback could’ve gotten plastered… scenarios that any coach would avoid if he had advanced warning. So, if Michigan wasn’t tipped off to the blitz, why was the play successful?
McCarthy recognized the zero-blitz scenario, bought time by drifting to his left after receiving the snap, then hit the hot to Cornelius Johnson. But instead of the pass going for a 10-yard completion, it went the distance because the Buckeye corner press bailed to the inside, in zero coverage??? I asked Johnson about that coverage technique during an offseason interview, and he was still confused by it. The Buckeye defender wound up turning his back to Johnson as the ball arrived, then turned all the way around for a tackle attempt, a maneuver that made the tackle much easier to break.
That’s poor coaching.
From there the Buckeyes proceeded to leave the middle of the defense wide open four times -- three on zero blitzes, and one time in a split safety defense where the backside corner chased the tight end across the field, vacating a whole half the field in the process. Johnson double moved the safety on his side, and when he headed to the post there wasn’t a defender anywhere in sight.
That’s poor coaching.
On Coleston Loveland’s out-and-up touchdown, Ohio State went zero blitz again. The Buckeye safety bit on the out again, leaving Loveland wide open for the catch and run touchdown.
That’s poor coaching.
After getting beat like a drum twice because of too much aggression, Ohio State continued to play with abandon. On Donovan Edwards first touchdown run, the Buckeyes went cover 1. Johnson ran the corner covering him off when he went to crack the safety (thus taking two players out of the play). When Edwards broke the line of scrimmage on an open zone there wasn’t a defender anywhere in site. It was off to the races for another touchdown.
That’s poor coaching.
At that point you’d think the Buckeye brass would have gotten the memo and would’ve started protecting its defense more. You would’ve thought wrong. Another zero blitz, and another instance where Edwards breaks the line of scrimmage and only sees green grass in front of him.
That’s incompetent coaching.
And the difference between what I wrote in the piece and the accusations of sign stealing is I’ve already produced the proof to back up my assertions. Time will tell if the Buckeyes… or whoever the accusers are… do the same.
And by the way, NCAA, if you’re really worried about sign stealing, how about following the NFL’s lead from 30 YEARS AFTER the FACT and put one-way radios in quarterback helmets. That went so well that 15 years ago the NFL allowed one defensive player on every team to have a radio, too. Seems like an easy fix if sign stealing is truly a concern. Just sayin’.
Here's a couple of points for you all.
1 - Guess who's Pete Thamel's bff. Urban Meyer.
2 - Look at that guy Connor Stalion's twitter page, and tell me he's someone to take their word serious.
3 - It's hilarious that this is going down, when Urban Meyer himself has said (repeatedly) that he had multiple guys on staff, that all they would do is follow Michigan football around to gain any and every advantage over them that he could.
Damn.. how far have the mighty Buckeyes fallen. The beatdown this November is gonna be monumental. And it'll more than likely be Day's last game as OSU head coach. Sadly.
All we can pray for is OSU hiring back Urban (since they've got no morals as is) and Harbaugh beats the brakes off his ass too.