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[Black_Jesus]

The issue is Strictly weight, ODH and Cotto were didnt ballon damn near 20 pounds they put on 10-15 at most, had Canelo's fat ass been a respectable weight for the Trout match it would be a non issue, nikka rehydrates to lhw, what the fukk does fatboy walk around at 190

It just boils down when is enough, enough for Floyd, when he knows damn well the victory will get discredited if the fight happens in Sept.

Well this bytch as nikka should retire then,

What it boils down to is Floyd wants to be considered the best to ever do it but don't want to accept what comes with the territory to earn that title... Just like I said he would do, this nikka is BLATANTLY avoiding Canelo but wants to say hes better than Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali.. what a joke...

nikkas talking bout "Floyd can't win" Negro please

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Floydie could always meet that man halfway 150-152.. Is he gonna do that? NO

Floydie could always have a rehydration clause, but will he do that? NO, because he refuses to let officials reweigh him before the fight so nobody can see how much he blows up..

And nikkas got the nerve to be upset when I refer to Floyd as the bytch

 

[Skip b]

Cotto I believe was 167-168 the night of the fight and Oscar was quoted as saying he was around the same. It's pretty normal to hydrate 15 sometimes 20lbs. Cotto as a Welterweight would come in at 146 at weigh in, then fight night he'd be 164-165 (Mosley fight unofficial weight was 164). Canelo IS bigger than Floyd, but nothing in resemblance to Margarito vs Pacquiao which in itself was a 20lb difference with Marg having 4" height advantage too. The issue I see is Canelo is not only bigger, but he's fast for a Jr Middleweight and has very legit power as well as having youth on his side, intangibles neither Cotto or Oscar had going into fights with Floyd. This isn't a diss to Floyd, but if Canelo was slow, plodding fighter but still had a huge fanbase, I think the fight would be made at 154 in September.

Canelo is not fast for one he's quick for a good 2 rounds, now ODH was fast, and he is a slow plodding fighter, do I need to upload the Tyner gift he received once again, nikka cant handle any type of movement, shyt Canelo cant even punch unless you are standing directly in front of him or is laying on the ropes, otherwise he doesn't throw at all

For 2 fukk Margarito cheating ass, besides weight in ring weigh and a paper title, he wasnt a jmw, shytttttt he weighed at 145 for the Mosley match, the truth is the perpetuated a myth that Margarito was some big ass JMW that been dominating that division for years, a belief to inflate Pacquiao's reputation, truth is Margarito has always been a smaller well conditioned with questionable power fighter

So you mean to tell me a nikka who have one legit fight, had the intangibles of HOF Cotto and Oscar fukking De La Hoya

 

[surv2syn]

That's what I'm saying. We all know, Floyd doesn't have to fight mandotories if he doesn't want too.


Clearly the best solution to solve this shared Super Title mess is to make this a mandotory fight

Floyd will never allow that, becuase in the eyes of the fans that would make Canelo his equal.

Floyd aint gonna allow that.

Honestly I think this fight will never happen.

if he doesnt he would be stripped. even if they forced a mando, they not doing no purse bid. they would negotiate the fight which would be the same terms and FMJ usually gives.

I just have an issue with double standards and hype machines. Canelo beating up on nothing but WW...because he can dictate to them. In this instance he cant. just dont see how you can claim duck on a fighter who is a champion in a lower weight class where most of his fights take place.

Mares says he will go down to fight Rigondeaux or Donaire. Mares wants the best fights. That doesnt mean Rigondeaux is ducking him if he doesnt come up to 126.

So whats the deal with Canelo? Its not him personally, but his promoter and team trying to generate a "Floyd is scared campaign" to further boost marketability like TR did with Margarito when they made him the most feared WW in the world...at a time when Mayweather, Mayorga, Forrest, Mosely, PW were all better than him.

 

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Well this bytch as nikka should retire then,

What it boils down to is Floyd wants to be considered the best to ever do it but don't want to accept what comes with the territory to earn that title... Just like I said he would do, this nikka is BLATANTLY avoiding Canelo but wants to say hes better than Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali.. what a joke...

nikkas talking bout "Floyd can't win" Negro please

.

Floydie could always meet that man halfway 150-152.. Is he gonna do that? NO

Floydie could always have a rehydration clause, but will he do that? NO, because he refuses to let officials reweigh him before the fight so nobody can see how much he blows up..

And nikkas got the nerve to be upset when I refer to Floyd as the bytch

How is the best fighter in the game avoiding Canelo when he said 147 and you could take this ass whipping????

 

[Skip b]

if he doesnt he would be stripped. even if they forced a mando, they not doing no purse bid. they would negotiate the fight which would be the same terms and FMJ usually gives.

I just have an issue with double standards and hype machines. Canelo beating up on nothing but WW...because he can dictate to them. In this instance he cant. just dont see how you can claim duck on a fighter who is a champion in a lower weight class where most of his fights take place.

Mares says he will go down to fight Rigondeaux or Donaire. Mares wants the best fights. That doesnt mean Rigondeaux is ducking him if he doesnt come up to 126.

So whats the deal with Canelo? Its not him personally, but his promoter and team trying to generate a "Floyd is scared campaign" to further boost marketability like TR did with Margarito when they made him the most feared WW in the world...at a time when Mayweather, Mayorga, Forrest, Mosely, PW were all better than him.

If only everybody else could see it




Canelo will fight Cotto, then face mandatory Lara to prepare for the slick counter punching style that he once got exposed by by a C class fighter in Tyner. Canelo has a good little backing but he has had no PPV's so there is no tell how big of a draw he is, it makes zero sense for a Mayweather match now, when they can do one or 2 more solid fights to build his fanbase steal some of Cotto's and rally the Mayweather hater brigade. GB wants this to be on the level of Mayweather and Pacquiao so people have to sit back and wait for the hype train to continue to build and then commence

 

[HamAndEgger]

Canelo is not fast for one he's quick for a good 2 rounds, now ODH was fast, and he is a slow plodding fighter, do I need to upload the Tyner gift he received once again, nikka cant handle any type of movement, shyt Canelo cant even punch unless you are standing directly in front of him or is laying on the ropes, otherwise he doesn't throw at all

For 2 fukk Margarito cheating ass, besides weight in ring weigh and a paper title, he wasnt a jmw, shytttttt he weighed at 145 for the Mosley match, the truth is the perpetuated a myth that Margarito was some big ass JMW that been dominating that division for years, a belief to inflate Pacquiao's reputation, truth is Margarito has always been a smaller well conditioned with questionable power fighter

So you mean to tell me a nikka who have one legit fight, had the intangibles of HOF Cotto and Oscar fukking De La Hoya

I just find it tough to go around the idea of fighting Cotto and Oscar at 154, and not fighting the current #1 Jr Middleweight who's in his prime and a huge star in Mexico. Hatton had a huge fan base as well, wasn't as skilled as Oscar by any means, but gets the fight? It's about matchmaking. Like I said, it's no diss to Floyd but it is what it is. I for 1 don't expect Floyd to go through leaps and bounds to prove he's the very best in the world more than for Floyd to make as much money as he can with the least amount of risk. I can see Floyd sayin "He's not ready for me" or "Let him build his name up", those are definitely legit reasons to balk right now at the fight. But I'm going to stand by the notion that if he fought Cotto and Oscar at 154, he should fight Canelo too. There's absolutely no reason he shouldn't especially if he's that much more skilled than he is, he can do what Henry Armstrong was doing in the 30s to Middleweights as a natural Featherweight.

 

[Skip b]

I just find it tough to go around the idea of fighting Cotto and Oscar at 154, and not fighting the current #1 Jr Middleweight who's in his prime and a huge star in Mexico. Hatton had a huge fan base as well, wasn't as skilled as Oscar by any means, but gets the fight? It's about matchmaking. Like I said, it's no diss to Floyd but it is what it is. I for 1 don't expect Floyd to go through leaps and bounds to prove he's the very best in the world more than for Floyd to make as much money as he can with the least amount of risk. I can see Floyd sayin "He's not ready for me" or "Let him build his name up", those are definitely legit reasons to balk right now at the fight. But I'm going to stand by the notion that if he fought Cotto and Oscar at 154, he should fight Canelo too. There's absolutely no reason he shouldn't.

ODH and Cotto were ppv draws, therefore moving up meant major dollars for him. Has Canelo had a PPV, no, he doesn't own the right to dictate shyt to Floyd and thats his mistake, Canelo could choose to fight now in Sept at Floyd weight or fight the other million JMW Canelo bytch ass has ducked while GB has protected him

 

[surv2syn]

Canelo is not fast for one he's quick for a good 2 rounds, now ODH was fast, and he is a slow plodding fighter, do I need to upload the Tyner gift he received once again, nikka cant handle any type of movement, shyt Canelo cant even punch unless you are standing directly in front of him or is laying on the ropes, otherwise he doesn't throw at all

For 2 fukk Margarito cheating ass, besides weight in ring weigh and a paper title, he wasnt a jmw, shytttttt he weighed at 145 for the Mosley match, the truth is the perpetuated a myth that Margarito was some big ass JMW that been dominating that division for years, a belief to inflate Pacquiao's reputation, truth is Margarito has always been a smaller well conditioned with questionable power fighter

So you mean to tell me a nikka who have one legit fight, had the intangibles of HOF Cotto and Oscar fukking De La Hoya

Margarito overwhelmed smaller opponents with punching volume and pressure. He never had one-punch power until after he lost to PW and before he lost to Mosley....suspiciously.

Margarito went to 154 and Daniel Santos sent his ass right back down to 147 where TR made him appear to be the Boogie Man. GBP [Oscar] learned from the best.

 

[Black_Jesus]

How is the best fighter in the game avoiding Canelo when he said 147 and you could take this ass whipping????

If Floydies truly the best fighter in the game 154 should be no problem...

And why cant Floyd fight him at 150??

Floyd aint fighting Canelo breh

 

[surv2syn]

I just find it tough to go around the idea of fighting Cotto and Oscar at 154, and not fighting the current #1 Jr Middleweight who's in his prime and a huge star in Mexico. Hatton had a huge fan base as well, wasn't as skilled as Oscar by any means, but gets the fight? It's about matchmaking. Like I said, it's no diss to Floyd but it is what it is. I for 1 don't expect Floyd to go through leaps and bounds to prove he's the very best in the world more than for Floyd to make as much money as he can with the least amount of risk. I can see Floyd sayin "He's not ready for me" or "Let him build his name up", those are definitely legit reasons to balk right now at the fight. But I'm going to stand by the notion that if he fought Cotto and Oscar at 154, he should fight Canelo too. There's absolutely no reason he shouldn't especially if he's that much more skilled than he is, he can do what Henry Armstrong was doing in the 30s to Middleweights as a natural Featherweight.

you are missing the point. the fight will happen. its not as big potentially as it can be. no where near. on a small scale, Alexander and Bradley couldve fought each other years ago. people were saying Bradley was ducking. Bradley was like, that fight is not big enough yet, but we will fight. on a larger scale, you mentioned Hatton, who couldve fought Tszyu much sooner....they fought when the fight was at its apex. I think this fight has more probability than FMJ vs Manny ever did.

 

[Skip b]

If Floydies truly the best fighter in the game 154 should be no problem...

Floyd aint fighting Canelo breh

Id bet my house they will just not in Sept

Funny everybody is trying to make this fight but Mayweather and Canelo, Mayweather always says will see, and Canelo said Maybe if he was ready for Floyd, why are the fighters so cryptic, cause they both know what we dont; that they aint fighting in September. GB is just stringing along idiots and catering to Pacquiao dikkriders like yourself

 

[HamAndEgger]

ODG and Cotto were ppv draws, therefore moving up meant major dollars for him. Has Canelo had a PPV, no, he doesn't own the right to dictate shyt to Floyd and thats his mistake, Canelo could choose to fight now in Sept at Floyd weight or fight the other million JMW Canelo bytch ass has ducked while GB has protected him

But I don't really see Canelo's team dictating anything really more than wanting the fight at the weight he and Floyd are both champions in (Floyd's still technically the WBA Super Champion and they're not stripping him either). Think about it like this, what current Welterweight is a bigger, more lucrative fight than Canelo at 154?

Floyd is always going to be the A side, but Canelo at 154 far outweighs any B side Floyd can face minus "potentially" Adrien Broner in 2 years.

 

[HamAndEgger]

you are missing the point. the fight will happen. its not as big potentially as it can be. no where near. on a small scale, Alexander and Bradley couldve fought each other years ago. people were saying Bradley was ducking. Bradley was like, that fight is not big enough yet, but we will fight. on a larger scale, you mentioned Hatton, who couldve fought Tszyu much sooner....they fought when the fight was at its apex. I think this fight has more probability than FMJ vs Manny ever did.

I'm not saying it won't happen and I agree the fight has much better chance happening than FM vs Pac, but my argument is to have the fight at 154 and not 147.

 

[IronFist]

 

[Black_Jesus]

you are missing the point. the fight will happen. its not as big potentially as it can be. no where near. on a small scale, Alexander and Bradley couldve fought each other years ago. people were saying Bradley was ducking. Bradley was like, that fight is not big enough yet, but we will fight. on a larger scale, you mentioned Hatton, who couldve fought Tszyu much sooner....they fought when the fight was at its apex. I think this fight has more probability than FMJ vs Manny ever did.