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[Mr. Leonidas]

Its gonna be worse when he fight a decent fighter, one that could throw a right hand and neutrilize his, dude only has one hand, if he aint digging to the body with his left, he cant do shyt with his left.

The perfect fight for Broner is Khan IMO

Id prefer Broner vs Gamboa, Crawford first. Notice all mention of those two have been swept under the rug from the Broner camp. Now, theyre gonna follow the Haymon-Mayweather formula- give Broner opponents who are slower, Hispanic, and aggressive/offensive. Theyre gonna make him be more defensive in the ring, and encourage him to be more socially deviant outside it.

 

[surv2syn]

Who has he fought to prove he's anywhere near that level yet?

Only name I see on his résumé is a past prime Prescott.

the question is...who has Broner beat to prove he can be favored over anyone with decent power and like tools? Paulie is an anomaly. He's almost a great fighter considering the fact he probably couldnt knock some of us out in this forum.

dont go by who beat who because its all about opportunity. if Crawford had all the connections Broner has he would have a title too. its all about the connections.

we can go on for days about who did such and such beat before they got a title. Garcia, Canelo, Ward, etc....didnt Donaire ask the same question of Rigo before he got his ass outboxed? even the great FMJ....who did he beat to prove he was on Chicanito's level? Floyd wasnt even ranked in the top 10 when he got his shot.

that aint how boxing works today...you barking up the wrong tree with that assumption.

 

[yo moms]

Ive boxed for 8 years, and have an amateur record of 12-1. I now rap on the side, co train boxers on the side, work full time at BOA Corporate, and I judge amateur fights in New England on the side.

IMO Crawfords win against Prescott isnt MORE impressive, but similar to Broners win against DeMarco in the sense that both displayed brilliant boxing technique. Of course DeMarco was and still is ranked higher than Prescott, but Im point more to how Crawford and Broner performed. Look, I have nothing against either dude. Im just saying that until they face better opposition, the jury is still out on both.

The jury don't even know who Crawford is yet

And there's a huge difference between stopping demarco and outboxing a past prime Prescott.

Broner is a champion. Crawford isn't even a top 10 fighter.

 

[surv2syn]

Id prefer Broner vs Gamboa, Crawford first. Notice all mention of those two have been swept under the rug from the Broner camp. Now, theyre gonna follow the Haymon-Mayweather formula- give Broner opponents who are slower, Hispanic, and aggressive/offensive. Theyre gonna make him be more defensive in the ring, and encourage him to be more socially deviant outside it.

absolutely no reason to fight Crawford. thats a fight that he doesnt get paid much and I would pick him to lose.

Gamboa could be a good match, again...too dangerous though.....Gamboa may be shaky but he aint Paulie...he could put Broner's lights out.

Maidana should be the fight....

I agree with Skip but I dont think Khan wants to get in with Broner right now...he wants to hope to get a gift over Alexander then go looking for Floyd to cash his chips in.

 

[yo moms]

the question is...who has Broner beat to prove he can be favored over anyone with decent power and like tools? Paulie is an anomaly. He's almost a great fighter considering the fact he probably couldnt knock some of us out in this forum.

dont go by who beat who because its all about opportunity. if Crawford had all the connections Broner has he would have a title too. its all about the connections.

we can go on for days about who did such and such beat before they got a title. Garcia, Canelo, Ward, etc....didnt Donaire ask the same question of Rigo before he got his ass outboxed? even the great FMJ....who did he beat to prove he was on Chicanito's level? Floyd wasnt even ranked in the top 10 when he got his shot.

that aint how boxing works today...you barking up the wrong tree with that assumption.

Crawford clearly doesn't have the skills mayweather had when he got his first title shot.

And rigo was world level before his first pro fight

 

[SuikodenII]

Youre right! I almost forgot that gift decision. Im telling you, unless Haymon smartens up and starts cherry picking slow, aggressive, Mexican opponents for Broner like they did for FMJr, he will lose sooner than you think.




Proven? Lets look deeper-

1st title win against: Vicente Martin Rodriguez


2nd title win against: Antonio DeMarco


3rd title ?win? against: Paulie Malignaggi

Broner was a talented prospect who had accomplished nothing until he fought Ponce De Leon, a guy who had only lost to JuanMa (got caught early) and Caballero (tough scrap, out-boxed). De Leon was on a good winning streak against mid tier guys and was blowing them out (no homo__had to add that since one of which was Orlando Cruz).

At the time I felt De Leon was being a bit disrespected as a former reigning champ being put in with a prospect, but Broner did his thing and made it close. Close enough to where there could be a 2 point swing either way. One judge slept through the fight

Next he destroyed the man who upset Caballero...Litzau, and nearly killed him

I don't know who the fukk Rodriguez is either, BS fight, more less handed him the title but his two previous fights proved he was a force in his division.

Perez was an OK fighter, got his career ended for his troubles, but he was a ranked guy too (not a great division at the time as you can see, but what can you do)

Next he says fukk weighing in and obliterates Escobedo unprofessionally, poor guy, career was never the same, he was a tough dude.

DeMarco was a top 3 Lightweight by everyone...and got DESTROYED by Broner

by this point, people start noticing Broner as potentially being a p4p fighter, that was an incredible performance.

Gavin Rees hit him more than he should've been, but was taken out for his troubles, but Rees is and has been a top 10 lightweight. Impressive stoppage, but there was talks of Broner's defense being leaky thus making the Mayweather comparisons unjust.

Malignaggi, 2 weight champion, top 10 welterweight, is also beaten, though not as decisively as his hype claimed it would be. NOT a gate-keeper, you don't use a 2 weight champ, current champ, top 10 welterweight as a gate keeper. If you think that, then what does that say about the fighter facing him (Broner)?

Malignaggi had a bad night out against Cano, someone he underestimated and as always with him unfortunately, hurt his hand against. Even still, he escaped with a gift and Cano went on to lose to 100-year-old Mosley. Cano is scrappy, but nothing special, just an Escobedo type guy. Malignaggi was at his best against Broner, still hurt his hand though (damn shame too) but still lost, he's not a bad boxer, just not GREAT

Paulie's misfortune really isn't even his fault neither, dude just has glass for hands and no power. I'm with brother Nazim, those two factors out of the way he'd be an all time great......but it is what it is



All that typing

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

The jury don't even know who Crawford is yet

And there's a huge difference between stopping demarco and outboxing a past prime Prescott.

Broner is a champion. Crawford isn't even a top 10 fighter.

True, and that to me is the main difference- Broner has had more exposure up to this point. Crawford is just now getting the butt love from HBO. And I know Broner is technically a champ and Crawford isnt even top 10, but I still think they both need to step up and face better opposition. Young, in their prime opposition. Top 5 opposition. Non hispanic opposition. Broner left 135, jumped over 140 to 147 and fights Paulie. Notice they didnt get him Gamboa, they def aint gonna give him Crawford, and of all the 147 pounders, they give him Paulie? I would have taken Khan, Alexander, Berto. But of course after they saw all the difficulty he had with boxer Paulie, theyre gonna give him Maidaina and I GUARANTEE his new couple of fights will be against guys who dont box and are much slower than him. Its the Mayweather formula man- put in a good boxer against only slow punchers so that the boxer can attempt to shine.

 

[surv2syn]

The jury don't even know who Crawford is yet

And there's a huge difference between stopping demarco and outboxing a past prime Prescott.

Broner is a champion. Crawford isn't even a top 10 fighter.

:dkufdup: you do know that Floyd wasnt a top 10 Super Feather when he beat Hernandez (who was favored) dont you? I didnt say top 10 fighter...I said top 10 Super Feather! there was Ruelas, Tracy Patterson, Manfredy, Roberto Garcia, etc....Floyd wasnt even in the top 10 WBC rankings. not to mention NO ONE knew who the hell Corrales was until he destroyed Garcia. Corrales wasnt even a top 20 fighter in his own division!!!

 

[yo moms]

:dkufdup: you do know that Floyd wasnt a top 10 Super Feather when he beat Hernandez (who was favored) dont you? I didnt say top 10 fighter...I said top 10 Super Feather! there was Ruelas, Tracy Patterson, Manfredy, Roberto Garcia, etc....Floyd wasnt even in the top 10 WBC rankings. not to mention NO ONE knew who the hell Corrales was until he destroyed Garcia. Corrales wasnt even a top 20 fighter in his own division!!!

 

[surv2syn]

True, and that to me is the main difference- Broner has had more exposure up to this point. Crawford is just now getting the butt love from HBO. And I know Broner is technically a champ and Crawford isnt even top 10, but I still think they both need to step up and face better opposition. Young, in their prime opposition. Top 5 opposition. Non hispanic opposition. Broner left 135, jumped over 140 to 147 and fights Paulie. Notice they didnt get him Gamboa, they def aint gonna give him Crawford, and of all the 147 pounders, they give him Paulie? I would have taken Khan, Alexander, Berto. But of course after they saw all the difficulty he had with boxer Paulie, theyre gonna give him Maidaina and I GUARANTEE his new couple of fights will be against guys who dont box and are much slower than him. Its the Mayweather formula man- put in a good boxer against only slow punchers so that the boxer can attempt to shine.

it is what it is. SRL was filling the void that Ali left with the charisma, the looks, the talk, etc...there always has to be one. Broner is filling a gap and he talks enough to get people looking. Crawford is the opposite. Somewhat like Pernell. (although Pete clowned a lot) He is workmanlike and has complete skills. He is never going to be as popular a fighter as Broner. Even Floyd wasnt a huge draw before Oscar and after that win he had to create the "money moniker" and play up the bad guy role that he was unwillingly cast in. Now you see Floyd...he acts totally different since he went to Showtime doesnt he? Because now he got what he wanted so that foolishness aint needed. For Broner...foolishness is necessary at this point...and cherry picks are inevitable.

 

[SuikodenII]

I know it's just a picture but...

GGG got a fight on his hands this Saturday...

 

[SuikodenII]

Yeah...I'm bored...

 

[surv2syn]

sorry, embellishing a bit but still my points are valid. Corrales was ranked #7 in IBF before beating St. Claire in eliminator to face Garcia (the #3 ranked 130lber).

(Crawford currently ranked #4 by IBF)

Floyd was #8 ranked by WBC but wasnt the mando to face the #1 rated 130lber.

before he won the title, Floyd had fought absolutely NOBODY. he didnt even have a win that looked as good as Prescott or Sanabria. Thats my point.

 

[surv2syn]

Crawford clearly doesn't have the skills mayweather had when he got his first title shot.

And rigo was world level before his first pro fight

thats all relative to who you are fighting as to who would win/lose. we are not talking about skills here...we are talking about opposition...which YOU brought up. name me two pre-title Mayweather wins that were better than Prescott and Sanabria...

you are talking about proof....hardly any fighter today proved shyt before they won a title.

 

[surv2syn]

bottom line is...I like AB. People think he has the goods and that was supposed to be proven on Saturday but he didnt show it. it was disappointing for a so-called future superstar who is already making million dollar purses. He showed (unlike Floyd's win over Hernandez or Corrales) that he is not ready for the BEST fighters yet.