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[surv2syn]

Bud talking about accolades and etc when Spence is still the biggest win on his record. If Spence is downplayed then Crawford's resume is even weaker than it presently is, and he lost against Madz. He'll beat Canelo but that isnt saying anything either since Canelo has slowed/is borderline washed.

Ok you trolling for sure. Madrimov didn’t win shyt. Canelo borderline washed? Whoa. Canelo is almost at his peak because he is at a comfortable weight, he isn’t knocking guys out because they are huge. Spence was the best of the PBC fighters and that was defaulted to him because Thurman never happened.

Nah.. we not gonna do that... Bob Arum himself admitted HE killed that fight.. Manny was with the shyts and if it wasnt for Errol getting his ass whipped by his sparring partner and backing out the Manny fight we probably woulda gotten Bud vs Manny for undisputed

On that interview Bud said he don’t have Manny that high on his atg list because he had “help”

 

[JamesJabdi]

If you had the hype what would you do with it?

He isn’t downplaying him really by saying he isn’t a HOFer. He isn’t. He was a great WW of this era but not an ATG or HOFer. He had 5 wins against some top WW but none of them are HOF either. Mikey is the closest to HOF that Spence ever beat. Just like Leo is closest thing Tank ever beat.

Yes, he is downplaying him.....just like he did alot of other fighters after that win. He said Boots ain't did nothing when that was a fight everybody wanted to see. He said Keith Thurman don't deserve to fight him. he said Vergil Ortiz ain't did shyt....Then he went on to fight Madrimov for a belt in a fight nobody cared about....Once you get that type of hype you build on it and he didn't do that....AT ALL

 

[Black_Jesus]

Crawford was HOF worthy before he fought Spence based off acolades alone.. those acollades cant be taken away regardless of your opinion of his opponents..

Spence just hasnt done enough... The problem is a lot of his fans bought into the hype early and that hype was able to fester for too long behind an imaginary side of a street where Spence had access to other overrated WWs.. Once Crawford dispatched Porter and Spence back to back in the fasion that he did people started to finally wake up.. They shoulda recognized it when Spence couldn't stop or drop a blown up lightweight Mikey Garcia but they went along with the excuse that Spence was trying to show he could box for 12 and win...

For Spence to be considered HOF he would either have to regain straps at 147 and go on a decent run of defenses ordo the same at 154.. But the likelihood of that happening being out the ring for 3 years is very low

 

[surv2syn]

Yes, he is downplaying him.....just like he did alot of other fighters after that win. He said Boots ain't did nothing when that was a fight everybody wanted to see. He said Keith Thurman don't deserve to fight him. he said Vergil Ortiz ain't did shyt....Then he went on to fight Madrimov for a belt in a fight nobody cared about....Once you get that type of hype you build on it and he didn't do that....AT ALL

Just like I thought bullshyt response. Man about to make 60m and you talmbout build off hype by fighting Boots. nikka what???

 

[surv2syn]

Crawford was HOF worthy before he fought Spence based off acolades alone.. those acollades cant be taken away regardless of your opinion of his opponents..

Spence just hasnt done enough... The problem is a lot of his fans bought into the hype early and that hype was able to fester for too long behind an imaginary side of a street where Spence had access to other overrated WWs.. Once Crawford dispatched Porter and Spence back to back in the fasion that he did people started to finally wake up.. They shoulda recognized it when Spence couldn't stop or drop a blown up lightweight Mikey Garcia but they went along with the excuse that Spence was trying to show he could box for 12 and win...

For Spence to be considered HOF he would either have to regain straps at 147 and go on a decent run of defenses ordo the same at 154.. But the likelihood of that happening being out the ring for 3 years is very low

People don’t understand how the HALL works. It’s not just about belts or opposition but dominance gets you in too like Hagler. Pipino Quevas is a guy I like to use as example. He was about 30-15 for his career but for 4 years he went on a title defense run of 12-0 with 11 ko’s.

Bud went on a 12-0 run up til Madrimov with 11 ko’s. At least 7 of those defenses were against current or former champions and on top of that it was over 3 divisions which is even more impressive than Quevas.

Bud fought more champs than Spence and knocked out more. Remember Porter, both Garcia’s, (3 of his best 5 opponents) went the distance and one was a SD.

Quevas, Pryor, Saad Muhammad, Hagler, RJJ, these guys got in off sheer dominance. Same way Hopkins was gonna get in.

 

[surv2syn]

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[Apollo Creed]

People don’t understand how the HALL works. It’s not just about belts or opposition but dominance gets you in too like Hagler. Pipino Quevas is a guy I like to use as example. He was about 30-15 for his career but for 4 years he went on a title defense run of 12-0 with 11 ko’s.

Bud went on a 12-0 run up til Madrimov with 11 ko’s. At least 7 of those defenses were against current or former champions and on top of that it was over 3 divisions which is even more impressive than Quevas.

Bud fought more champs than Spence and knocked out more. Remember Porter, both Garcia’s, (3 of his best 5 opponents) went the distance and one was a SD.

Quevas, Pryor, Saad Muhammad, Hagler, RJJ, these guys got in off sheer dominance. Same way Hopkins was gonna get in.

So Porter is HOF but not Spence? Interesting

 

[patscorpio]

So Porter is HOF but not Spence? Interesting

thats not the HOF we are talking about

 

[patscorpio]

People don’t understand how the HALL works. It’s not just about belts or opposition but dominance gets you in too like Hagler. Pipino Quevas is a guy I like to use as example. He was about 30-15 for his career but for 4 years he went on a title defense run of 12-0 with 11 ko’s.

Bud went on a 12-0 run up til Madrimov with 11 ko’s. At least 7 of those defenses were against current or former champions and on top of that it was over 3 divisions which is even more impressive than Quevas.

Bud fought more champs than Spence and knocked out more. Remember Porter, both Garcia’s, (3 of his best 5 opponents) went the distance and one was a SD.

Quevas, Pryor, Saad Muhammad, Hagler, RJJ, these guys got in off sheer dominance. Same way Hopkins was gonna get in.

even if you dont get into the intangibles of HOF..crawford is a 4 division champion, 3 time lineal, 2 time undisputed.....if any other fighter had this they would be lauded...no american fighter active today has close to this type of accomplishment..he is HOF bound no question

 

[Black_Jesus]

So Porter is HOF but not Spence? Interesting

Nobody gives AF about the Nevada HOF.. We are speaking on International boxing or World Hall

 

[JamesJabdi]

Just like I thought bullshyt response. Man about to make 60m and you talmbout build off hype by fighting Boots. nikka what???

What is bullshyt is you saying he gonna make 60m.....you literally pulling that number out your ass. No sources...just babble

 

[R=G]

Crawford goes off script and basically calls Manny a cheater

 

[patscorpio]

 

[surv2syn]

What is bullshyt is you saying he gonna make 60m.....you literally pulling that number out your ass. No sources...just babble

Gonna be more than Spence. Way the fukk more. Canelo asked for guarantee of $150 million. Did he get it? idk but he not doing it for less than 100m GUARANTEED, AND he already turned that down so we know Canelo is guaranteed more than 100m. Crawford gonna get at least 60 but they say with buys he could clear 100. Ryan Garcia made 30m against Tank and you think I am pulling 60m out my ass You on crack if you think Bud clearing less than 60m, that’s lowball, he gonna have to be guaranteed at least 50m. the PPV gonna do numbers. only need about 2 million buys to do about $200m plus in revenue. Even if the fight sells a disappointing 1.5m buys,thats still more than enough to put Bud over 60m even if his guarantee is 30. what are we talking about here? Boots, Ortiz, Thurman,Charlo, none of them could bring Bud a check more than 10m.

Canelo vs. Crawford: The biggest fight in boxing could land Terence Crawford a $100M deal

As the boxing world buzzes in anticipation of the September showdown between Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford, a massive payday is looming for Crawford, with some experts...

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who mans is this?

 

[JamesJabdi]

Gonna be more than Spence. Way the fukk more. Canelo asked for guarantee of $150 million. Did he get it? idk but he not doing it for less than 100m GUARANTEED, AND he already turned that down so we know Canelo is guaranteed more than 100m. Crawford gonna get at least 60 but they say with buys he could clear 100. Ryan Garcia made 30m against Tank and you think I am pulling 60m out my ass You on crack if you think Bud clearing less than 60m, that’s lowball, he gonna have to be guaranteed at least 50m. the PPV gonna do numbers. only need about 2 million buys to do about $200m plus in revenue. Even if the fight sells a disappointing 1.5m buys,thats still more than enough to put Bud over 60m even if his guarantee is 30. what are we talking about here? Boots, Ortiz, Thurman,Charlo, none of them could bring Bud a check more than 10m.

Canelo vs. Crawford: The biggest fight in boxing could land Terence Crawford a $100M deal

As the boxing world buzzes in anticipation of the September showdown between Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford, a massive payday is looming for Crawford, with some experts...

amp.marca.com

who mans is this?

This is you source? Mikey Garcia :

Former four-division champion Mikey Garcia weighed in on the bout, highlighting that for fighters like Crawford and Alvarez, the upcoming clash is a monumental financial opportunity, regardless of the outcome.

Garcia, speaking with FightHype, suggested that both fighters are already winners due to the massive amounts of money on the table.

He went so far as to say that if Crawford is offered $100 million for a future fight against the likes of unified heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk, he would be wise to take it, even if the bout seems unlikely.

What kinda shyt is this

Canelo vs Bud won't come come close to selling 1 million. Canelo hasn't done a million in 7 years and since then only Gervonta Davis have had over million buy PPV fight in over 5 years. All them Saudi events have been HUGE L's in terms of PPV buys and selling seats.....Thats why Turk is teaming up with the OG of underpaying fighters - Dana White.

If Canelo vs Bud sold a 1.5 PPV buys it would be a huge win....No wonder you throwing around numbers like its nothing....you have no clue what you babbling about