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[theflyest]

I 100% get this point of view, but I feel like when the conversations with Spence are always two separate conversations that somehow merge into one

Yes Spence had a bad lifestyle
But also Yes regardless of lifestyle, he still had defensive flaws in the ring early in his career that he never corrected

It was evident in the Lamont Peterson fight and the Porter fight. The shots he was getting caught with. Those two couldn't take advantage because Lamont was smaller, and Porter didn't have the punching power. Someone with the punching power to make him pay like a Thurman or Crawford was always going to have an advantage over him

This was going to be his career destiny whether he drank a bottle of liquor or not

I think you’re missing the point of our conversation. Sometimes I think people make comments, because they believe that someone pointing out Spence was done somehow diminishes Crawford win, when it doesn’t. Crawford took his 0 and retired him. Period. There’s nothing that’s going to diminish that win.

What @patscorpio is saying (and has been saying) is that Spence’s behavior leading up to the fight should have been taken into account when evaluating and making a prediction on the fight.

There were way too many people either saying this was a 50/50 fight or picking Spence to win. However, it was clearly evident leading up to the fight that Spence was off. How were so many people blind to see this? It’s already a bad stylistic match up and you add the fact that he’s shot? Spence had no chance of winning this fight.

I gotta give props to @patscorpio , because he low key never took the fight seriously leading up to it and saw it as the cash grab that it was. I started to see it a couple weeks before the fight once I started following the promotion.

This conversation isn’t about arguing if a healthy Spence ever had a chance. Crawford is the better fight and likely would have won years before the accident. That’s not the discussion though. It’s about the analysis leading up to fight.

However, I don’t Stan any of these fighters, so I don’t have these blinders on.

 

[UpAndComing]

I think you’re missing the point of our conversation. Sometimes I think people make comments, because they believe that someone pointing out Spence was done somehow diminishes Crawford win, when it doesn’t. Crawford took his 0 and retired him. Period. There’s nothing that’s going to diminish that win.

What @patscorpio is saying (and has been saying) is that Spence’s behavior leading up to the fight should have been taken into account when evaluating and making a prediction on the fight.

There were way too many people either saying this was a 50/50 fight or picking Spence to win. However, it was clearly evident leading up to the fight that Spence was off. How were so many people blind to see this? It’s already a bad stylistic match up and you add the fact that he’s shot? Spence had no chance of winning this fight.

I gotta give props to @patscorpio , because he low key never took the fight seriously leading up to it and saw it as the cash grab that it was. I started to see it a couple weeks before the fight once I started following the promotion.

This conversation isn’t about arguing if a healthy Spence ever had a chance. Crawford is the better fight and likely would have won years before the accident. That’s not the discussion though. It’s about the analysis leading up to fight.

However, I don’t Stan any of these fighters, so I don’t have these blinders on.

Nope, can't talk out of two sides of the conversation and be contradictory. Those conversations of "if a healthy Spence ever had a chance" actually do happen and still do

Did Spence exhibit those defensive flaws prior to his drinking problems showing up, yes or no? That is the question and the point I made in my original post.

You can talk around it all you want, but why aren't the conversations about his defensive flaws in his previous fights louder than his out of the ring lifestyle? Its soft shoed excuse making

And to say "I'm not a fan of any of these boxers". Save it lol, everyone has preferences and biases when watching sports

 

[patscorpio]

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Horn's manager/trainer was brainless when they agreed to that fight.

They only just got the belt and decided to fight the most threatening prospect in boxing at the time, albeit in his welterweight debut. Utter stupidity.

 

[patscorpio]

Horn's manager/trainer was brainless when they agreed to that fight.

They only just got the belt and decided to fight the most threatening prospect in boxing at the time, albeit in his welterweight debut. Utter stupidity.

Horn should have never been champion in the first place

 

[theflyest]

Nope, can't talk out of two sides of the conversation and be contradictory. Those conversations of "if a healthy Spence ever had a chance" actually do happen and still do

Did Spence exhibit those defensive flaws prior to his drinking problems showing up, yes or no? That is the question and the point I made in my original post.

You can talk around it all you want, but why aren't the conversations about his defensive flaws in his previous fights louder than his out of the ring lifestyle? Its soft shoed excuse making

And to say "I'm not a fan of any of these boxers". Save it lol, everyone has preferences and biases when watching sports

Nygga, this conversation between Pat and myself is about the poor analysis leading up to the fight. I don’t care about what conversations occurring post fight regarding if a “healthy Spence ever had a chance.” Go argue with those nyggas saying that.

If you gamble on a fight, you’re looking at all components. The fact is it’s already a stylistic mismatch as you pointed out, Spence looked bad leading up to the fight, and I heard he was getting worked in training camp out here in Dallas. When you take all of this into account, it’s an easy prediction to make. There’s no emotion involved in this.

A fighters lifestyle is a very real part of the evaluation/prediction process that can’t be ignored. When it comes to a guy like Spence that got into a severe car crash, yes that will overshadow his defensive deficiencies.


If you’re belief going into the fight is that Spence was 100 percent, and had too many defensive flaws to have a competitive fight, that’s fine. That’s some surface level thinking.

 

[NormanConnors]

I think you’re missing the point of our conversation. Sometimes I think people make comments, because they believe that someone pointing out Spence was done somehow diminishes Crawford win, when it doesn’t. Crawford took his 0 and retired him. Period. There’s nothing that’s going to diminish that win.

What @patscorpio is saying (and has been saying) is that Spence’s behavior leading up to the fight should have been taken into account when evaluating and making a prediction on the fight.

There were way too many people either saying this was a 50/50 fight or picking Spence to win. However, it was clearly evident leading up to the fight that Spence was off. How were so many people blind to see this? It’s already a bad stylistic match up and you add the fact that he’s shot? Spence had no chance of winning this fight.

I gotta give props to @patscorpio , because he low key never took the fight seriously leading up to it and saw it as the cash grab that it was. I started to see it a couple weeks before the fight once I started following the promotion.

This conversation isn’t about arguing if a healthy Spence ever had a chance. Crawford is the better fight and likely would have won years before the accident. That’s not the discussion though. It’s about the analysis leading up to fight.

However, I don’t Stan any of these fighters, so I don’t have these blinders on.

There were people that were aware of the issues and still picked Spence to win


and to likely say Crawford beats a healthy Spence, is an unfair statement considering the jury is swayed after the fight in real time.

 

[theflyest]

There were people that were aware of the issues and still picked Spence to win


and to likely say Crawford beats a healthy Spence, is an unfair statement considering the jury is swayed after the fight in real time.

They were delusion, but most Stans are.

 

[Black_Jesus]

There were several instances where nikkas shoulda known Spence wasnt fukking with Crawford

Just to name a few
#1 going 12 rounds with a 135 pound Mikey Garcia pulled up to 147

#2 the fear in Spence's voice when he tried to tell Bud they needed to clean up sides of an imaginary street when Bud pulled up on him for smoke(that shoulda been a clear indicator

#3 Going Life n Death with Shawn Porter.. Porter is just not that good.. never has been.

And if #1,2,and 3 couldn't sway your opinion then there's #4. The man signed a fight vs Pacquiao and ended up getting his ass whipped by a random sparring partner which killed the Pac fight..

nikkas were so enthralled with the PBC vs TR cold war nobody stopped once to notice Spence hadn't looked good since Ocampo which was way before the accident If these facts diminish Bud's win then oh well

 

[patscorpio]

 

[patscorpio]

https://x.com/KOJournals/status/1932112650164752683

Bailey had one hell of a one hitter quitter even as he got older...this fight was dull as fukk though until the knockdown and knockout...mike was boxing him up

 

[patscorpio]

 

[UpAndComing]

I hate this fight. Tony Harrison is an idiot lol

 

[UpAndComing]

There were several instances where nikkas shoulda known Spence wasnt fukking with Crawford

Just to name a few
#1 going 12 rounds with a 135 pound Mikey Garcia pulled up to 147

#2 the fear in Spence's voice when he tried to tell Bud they needed to clean up sides of an imaginary street when Bud pulled up on him for smoke(that shoulda been a clear indicator

#3 Going Life n Death with Shawn Porter.. Porter is just not that good.. never has been.

And if #1,2,and 3 couldn't sway your opinion then there's #4. The man signed a fight vs Pacquiao and ended up getting his ass whipped by a random sparring partner which killed the Pac fight..

nikkas were so enthralled with the PBC vs TR cold war nobody stopped once to notice Spence hadn't looked good since Ocampo which was way before the accident If these facts diminish Bud's win then oh well

On top of Spence admitting in the post press conference that he actually tried to stop Mikey Garcia but couldn't

 

[Supreme]