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[chunky_mcdaniels]

ehh.

Bivol got no issues with power punchers, no issues with steroid users (Beterbiev, Canelo, Smith), no issues with big, heavier fighters than he (Zurdo).

What makes you think Roy gets him? The big shots? Bivol got defence for days? We’ve seen it as recently as Beterbiev and Canelo and Zurdo?

Roy gassed out like a motherfukker too, all that juice had him spent by rnd 8 if he hadn’t got the stoppage.

Also, can we have a fair fight? Or does Roy get to jab the peds in camp ? Just saying.

Oh and Roy was my favourite fighter from the age of 14-20. So forget the hate.

Bivol gets the decision (or late stoppage), just like Calzaghe did .

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Exactly
and lets not act like Bivol can't be hurt. Joe Smith hurt him bad late and Beterbiev had dude running and not throwing punches for 30 second intervals in the 1st fight.

Hell, the dude Bivol stopped before the 1st Beterbiev fight was giving him all he could handle.

When has being hurt been an issue for Bivol? A late, after the bell punch from bazooka Joe?

Bivol never been down or in trouble? Make it make sense? Ol telegraph Roy going to be read like a book.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

When has being hurt been an issue for Bivol? A late, after the bell punch from bazooka Joe?

Bivol never been down or in trouble? Make it make sense? Ol telegraph Roy going to be read like a book.

Hey look if ya'll nikkas think Bivol beats prime Roy then its

I'm not trying to convince anybody. I'm just stating how I see shyt cuz a breh asked a question.

and Beterbiev had Bivol hurt plenty of times in the first fight. Thats why that nikka spent so much time moving around and not throwing. Dude was trying to recover. I even mentioned that earlier in one of my previous posts so yes Bivol does have a problem with power.
This is boxing. Damn near everyone has a problem with power.

Hagler never been down or hurt bad, but that doesn't stop nikkas from saying he loses to Roy at 160.. With Bivol its the same thing imo.

 

[UpAndComing]

You're buggin bro lol. You're saying Bivol could beat the 175lbs version of Roy? Maybe after Roy ruined himself by coming down from heavyweight. If this isn't some recency bias bro lol

There's no way in HELL Bivol beats the the Roy Jones Jr. from the late 90's into 2001/02; especially the version that got Virgil Hill out with 1 shot or the version that made former champ Reggie Johnson look like a sparring partner. There's no way in hell Bivol even tries to throw as many punches as he usually does because of the awkwardness, footwork, speed, & the counters that would be flying back at him he wouldn't be able to prepare for

We've seen what Roy did to pressure fighters in his prime. There's no boxer living or past that would prepare Bivol for what Roy brought to the table lol

Bivol has made plenty of elite fighters look like they don't belong in the ring with him so that's a moot point. I love Roy, but 160/168 was when he was invincible. When he got to 175, you can see the physical advantages he had in the smaller weight classes, he lacked it a bit at 175. That Roy vs Griffin 1 fight when he struggled a bit to match Griffin physically was an eye opener, BS disqualification aside

I think people really don't realize how all time Bivol is defensively. I just saw a stat that out of the 3 people that beat Canelo (Floyd, Bivol, Crawford)... Bivol had the lowest percentage of punches landed on him out of the 3. He literally had the terminator in human form Beterbiev not be able to land cleanly consistently on him, and got him downright confused on how to start his offense

When Roy got to 175, he had to rely on his skills and footwork more, which he for sure has. But If he tries to get in a skills battle with Bivol, he will lose IMO

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Hey look if ya'll nikkas think Bivol beats prime Roy then its

I'm not trying to convince anybody. I'm just stating how I see shyt cuz a breh asked a question.

and Beterbiev had Bivol hurt plenty of times in the first fight. Thats why that nikka spent so much time moving around and not throwing. Dude was trying to recover. I even mentioned that earlier in one of my previous posts so yes Bivol does have a problem with power.
This is boxing. Damn near everyone has a problem with power.

Hagler never been down or hurt bad, but that doesn't stop nikkas from saying he loses to Roy at 160.. With Bivol its the same thing imo.

Yeah I read that, but you’re saying two things at once here? Everyone at 175 has a problem with power, and Bivol has a problem with power.

The real question is what you’ve asked, and then answered clearly here. And that answer there is that Bivol can handle any power thrown at him, he’s shown it time and time again?

Roy was his own worst enemy, he fell in love with his athleticism and power, and fighters that do often get humbled and shrink when they meet their match in a top calibre ‘boxer’. It’s just how it goes.

As others have said, at 160-168, yeah Roy gets them.

 

[Knicksman20]

Bivol has made plenty of elite fighters look like they don't belong in the ring with him so that's a moot point. I love Roy, but 160/168 was when he was invincible. When he got to 175, you can see the physical advantages he had in the smaller weight classes, he lacked it a bit at 175. That Roy vs Griffin 1 fight when he struggled a bit to match Griffin physically was an eye opener, BS disqualification aside

I think people really don't realize how all time Bivol is defensively. I just saw a stat that out of the 3 people that beat Canelo (Floyd, Bivol, Crawford)... Bivol had the lowest percentage of punches landed on him out of the 3. He literally had the terminator in human form Beterbiev not be able to land cleanly consistently on him, and got him downright confused on how to start his offense

When Roy got to 175, he had to rely on his skills and footwork more, which he for sure has. But If he tries to get in a skills battle with Bivol, he will lose IMO

I think you're underestimating just how great Roy was, especially at 75.

The reason I posted that fight with Virgil Hill was because he shared a few traits that Bivol has. A very good jab, solid fundamentals, & length (Pause lol). Roy made him look average because he was still in his prime & the speed difference was insane. This would probably shock Bivol because not only is he probably used to being he quicker guy, but the speed difference would be night & day. All that darting in & out & jabbing he does would be reduced severely because of this, & not being able to stop being countered. Roy immediately started countering Hill's jab & you could see it bothered him.

And like Lauderdale Boss said, Bivol had issues in that first fight dealing with AB's power, he'd have similar issues with Roy because of him getting hit with counters he can't stop & at weird angles where he might've thought he'd be safe. Dude would be trying to reset all the damn time & find out he's not safe anywhere lol.

Also, the nail in the coffin is: Hill's 6'1 with a 77 inch reach, Bivol 5'11 72 inch reach, Roy 5'10 74 inch reach. Roy wouldm't any problems landing his shots & not getting hit with anything major back at him (especially in & near his prime). And let's not forget most were calling Bivol & natural Super Middleweight so he's not the biggest guy either unlike the natural bigger 175 guys Roy was fighting.

Roy having issues with Griffin the first time around had almost EVERYTHING to do with Eddie Futch game planning against him & his style which gave James Toney & Tarver fits as well. The same great Eddie Futch that trained Joe Frazier to beat the GOAT Ali

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I think people really don't realize how all time Bivol is defensively. I just saw a stat that out of the 3 people that beat Canelo (Floyd, Bivol, Crawford)... Bivol had the lowest percentage of punches landed on him out of the 3.

Great point here, I saw this stat too.

I’d go even go as far as to say that Bivol is so good defensively that he makes it look so much easier than what it is, people take this attribute of his for granted, they’re blinded by power shots and muscles.

To quote the late, great Albert T’Chaka Johnson when he replied to Lake on the Subzero DVD’s ‘Man fukk your fukken muscles, I’ll shoot you in your fukken muscles’.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I think you're underestimating just how great Roy was, especially at 75.

The reason I posted that fight with Virgil Hill was because he shared a few traits that Bivol has. A very good jab, solid fundamentals, & length (Pause lol). Roy made him look average because he was still in his prime & the speed difference was insane. This would probably shock Bivol because not only is he probably used to being he quicker guy, but the speed difference would be night & day. All that darting in & out & jabbing he does would be reduced severely because of this, & not being able to stop being countered. Roy immediately started countering Hill's jab & you could see it bothered him.

And like Lauderdale Boss said, Bivol had issues in that first fight dealing with AB's power, he'd have similar issues with Roy because of him getting hit with counters he can't stop & at weird angles where he might've thought he'd be safe. Dude would be trying to reset all the damn time & find out he's not safe anywhere lol.

Also, the nail in the coffin is: Hill's 6'1 with a 77 inch reach, Bivol 5'11 72 inch reach, Roy 5'10 74 inch reach. Roy wouldm't any problems landing his shots & not getting hit with anything major back at him (especially in & near his prime). And let's not forget most were calling Bivol & natural Super Middleweight so he's not the biggest guy either unlike the natural bigger 175 guys Roy was fighting.

Roy having issues with Griffin the first time around had almost EVERYTHING to do with Eddie Futch game planning against him & his style which gave James Toney & Tarver fits as well. The same great Eddie Futch that trained Joe Frazier to beat the GOAT Ali

But why did Calzaghe embarrass Roy and ‘murder him on his own shyt?’

All this Roy power and counters talk meant nothing against an actual boxer, and Calzaghe was that, and Bivol is definitely that?

This is my point, Roy was a bully, and a great one at that, but he met his match against a real boxer, power and athleticism only takes you so far.

 

[UpAndComing]

Great point here, I saw this stat too.

I’d go even go as far as to say that Bivol is so good defensively that he makes it look so much easier than what it is, people take this attribute of his for granted, they’re blinded by power shots and muscles.

To quote the late, great Albert T’Chaka Johnson when he replied to Lake on the Subzero DVD’s ‘Man fukk your fukken muscles, I’ll shoot you in your fukken muscles’.

Thank you! These are the same dudes before the first fight that said "Oh Beterbiev knocks out Bivol easy, he's too much for him!!" after the fight were like "Bu bu at least Bivol was affected by Beterbiev's power in some spots!"

 

[Knicksman20]

But why did Calzaghe embarrass Roy and ‘murder him on his own shyt?’

All this Roy power and counters talk meant nothing against an actual boxer, and Calzaghe was that, and Bivol is definitely that?

This is my point, Roy was a bully, and a great one at that, but he met his match against a real boxer, power and athleticism only takes you so far.

Does this even need an answer lol? This is about as common sense if you know boxing as it comes

And @UpAndComing you dapping that too lol

I don't even think we need to continue this & I see why the others didn't chime in lol

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Does this even need an answer lol? This is about as common sense if you know boxing as it comes

And @UpAndComing you dapping that too lol

I don't even think we need to continue this & I see why the others didn't chime in lol

Nobody chimed in because I just posted it?

Look, I get you like Roy, so do I, but styles make fights and I don't see Roy worrying Bivol, Roy needed to feel confident in the ring, that's why he lost to Calzaghe, not age, not shots, he got pitter pattered outta there. His aura got vaporised when Calzaghe decided to dance and toy with him, he out Roy'd Roy! He beat him in his mind.

Before that Calzaghe played into Roy's aura and was getting beat up bad (rnd 1/2). Easiest way to beat Roy was to take his confidence. There's a litany of these fighters throughout history, in recent times Teo Lopez is a prime example.

Bivol isn't going to get overwhelmed by Roy, he's going to score with the jab and the step in out straights and hooks, but also defend the telegraphed shots from Roy, as @UpAndComing posted, Bivol is the best defensive fighter of the last 25 years. That's not even up for debate, it's a fact.

Roy going to lose confidence getting hit up with those shots like Bivol put on Beterbievs dome in two fights.

 

[UpAndComing]

I think you're underestimating just how great Roy was, especially at 75.

The reason I posted that fight with Virgil Hill was because he shared a few traits that Bivol has. A very good jab, solid fundamentals, & length (Pause lol). Roy made him look average because he was still in his prime & the speed difference was insane. This would probably shock Bivol because not only is he probably used to being he quicker guy, but the speed difference would be night & day. All that darting in & out & jabbing he does would be reduced severely because of this, & not being able to stop being countered. Roy immediately started countering Hill's jab & you could see it bothered him.

And like Lauderdale Boss said, Bivol had issues in that first fight dealing with AB's power, he'd have similar issues with Roy because of him getting hit with counters he can't stop & at weird angles where he might've thought he'd be safe. Dude would be trying to reset all the damn time & find out he's not safe anywhere lol.

Also, the nail in the coffin is: Hill's 6'1 with a 77 inch reach, Bivol 5'11 72 inch reach, Roy 5'10 74 inch reach. Roy wouldm't any problems landing his shots & not getting hit with anything major back at him (especially in & near his prime). And let's not forget most were calling Bivol & natural Super Middleweight so he's not the biggest guy either unlike the natural bigger 175 guys Roy was fighting.

Roy having issues with Griffin the first time around had almost EVERYTHING to do with Eddie Futch game planning against him & his style which gave James Toney & Tarver fits as well. The same great Eddie Futch that trained Joe Frazier to beat the GOAT Ali

#1 bold. Comparing Virgil Hill to Bivol is just... odd lol. Credit Hill for holding down the 175 division for a while, and doing very good at Cruiserweight, but they aren't in the same league. Same guy who struggled and lost to a past his prime Tommy Hearns and Michalczewski who was a decent fighter I guess. Hill had no where near the footwork of Bivol, not even close

#2 bold. Yes Roy catches you at weird angles, but so does Bivol. That Soviet style is not easy whatsoever to fight against. Odd rhythm, odd angles, willing to make a fight ugly to stall your offense

#3 bold. Using reach, come on breh lol. So I guess Fundora with a 80" reach at 154 is just the best fighter we ever seen then?
And if you want a nail in the coffin, Shakur Stevenson only has a 68" reach, shorter than most of the top fighters around his weight class. However, he's one of the best defensive fighters in the game today, extremely low percentage of his opponents land on him. I just love how people keep underrating defense for power and explosiveness. It is what it is lol

 

[UpAndComing]

Does this even need an answer lol? This is about as common sense if you know boxing as it comes

And @UpAndComing you dapping that too lol

I don't even think we need to continue this & I see why the others didn't chime in lol

I dapped it not really because of the Calzaghe point. But more that Roy is a bully, which he is. And it's not even a diss, that's smart. He knew when he faced James Toney, he couldn't go skill for skill, cause it would be highly likely Toney would outclass him. He went the bully route which was an intelligent game plan

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Does this even need an answer lol? This is about as common sense if you know boxing as it comes

And @UpAndComing you dapping that too lol

I don't even think we need to continue this & I see why the others didn't chime in lol

Also, fukk Calzaghe, I could give two shyts about that man and his weird father, I was Roy all day for that fight. But I'm just stating facts here, no bias etc.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Does this even need an answer lol? This is about as common sense if you know boxing as it comes

And @UpAndComing you dapping that too lol

I don't even think we need to continue this & I see why the others didn't chime in lol

My nikka this is as bad as the Bud fought a fresher version of Canelo than Mell did argument nikkas had in here a week or so ago.


I can't even respond to anymore of this. I'll just break this fight down on the podcast tonight.

nikkas definitely weren't watching Roy at lightheavy weight.

Michael Spinks might be the only 175ber I'd favor over Roy. Hell Moorer got a better chance than fukking Bivol.