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[NormanConnors]

Yes, but with skilled boxers like Mayweather and Sweetpea, a great jab and constant punches is they key to defeat them. JLC came close the first time vs Mayweather as did JL Ramirez in Sweetpea's prime (though Sweetpea was most likely not given the benefit of the doubt).

Duran hit hard had a great chin and was a competent boxer.

I see what you're saying but that first fight with JLC isnt a good barometer, Floyd fought that entire fight with a right shoulder issue, well documented. Once healthy in rematch we saw the real deal. Constant punching helps plays into Mayweather strengths imo.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

All 4 Kings are putting their foot in Floyd's ass.

Floyd beating Castillo in the rematch on some 115/113 shyt is all I need to know. Duran got much faster feet than Jose so even Floyd's movement that he used in the rematch wouldn't be enough for lightweight Duran. Hell, Hatton got faster feet than Castillo and it took Floyd about 5 rds to time dude and Hatton for as great as he is, ain't no fukking Hands of Stone.

SRL will do what he wants with Floyd after about the 7th rd. Too much of everything, plus physical strength and SRL had that dog in him.

Hearns either wins a lop-sided decision or a bombs away mid round KO. The stoppage can be the overwhelming variety or the well timed counter.

Hagler - this might sound crazy, but I think Floyd is more competitive with Hagler than anybody else. Floyd knows how to fight southpaws and adjusts to them pretty quickly after some buffering on the download. If they were the same size, I think Floyd gets a draw or wins at least once out of 3 fights.

 

[theflyest]

those smaller faster heavies are just gonna find his chin quicker than the big slow nikkas that were beating his ass already.

I haven’t seen dude fight in years, but it’s just a bad idea.

Fighting smaller heavyweights that are better boxers and have faster handspeed? In addition, those guys would be better built for that weight. If they could be heavyweights, they would because there is more money there.

Dude looks skinny in his 220s. It doesn’t even look sustainable. He’s just a naturally big guy. He’ll come in looking like Byrd against Shaun George.

It’s kind of funny how some guys believe that moving down in weight is the answer because they believe they’re the bigger guy and that they’ll be more effective. It doesn’t exactly work that way.

 

[UpAndComing]

All 4 Kings are putting their foot in Floyd's ass.

Floyd beating Castillo in the rematch on some 115/113 shyt is all I need to know. Duran got much faster feet than Jose so even Floyd's movement that he used in the rematch wouldn't be enough for lightweight Duran. Hell, Hatton got faster feet than Castillo and it took Floyd about 5 rds to time dude and Hatton for as great as he is, ain't no fukking Hands of Stone.

SRL will do what he wants with Floyd after about the 7th rd. Too much of everything, plus physical strength and SRL had that dog in him.

Hearns either wins a lop-sided decision or a bombs away mid round KO. The stoppage can be the overwhelming variety or the well timed counter.

Hagler - this might sound crazy, but I think Floyd is more competitive with Hagler than anybody else. Floyd knows how to fight southpaws and adjusts to them pretty quickly after some buffering on the download. If they were the same size, I think Floyd gets a draw or wins at least once out of 3 fights.

Thank you... I didn't want to pile on, but you explained it perfectly.

1. I find it funny when people scoff at Roberto Duran. When people say "Oh he was the No Mas guy", I know that person is clueless about them



Duran was already a hall of famer before he moved up to Welterweight. If Floyd was having razor thin victories against Castillo, and also Maidana, then he has no chance against prime Duran

2. With Hearns, Floyd has no chance, and Floyd knows this. The way he ducked Paul Williams, Margarito, and Vernon Forrest says it all. The height, reach, and power advantage of Hearn would be too much

3. I do think Floyd is a better inside fighter than SRL. But that athleticism and power would be too much for him. We saw how Zab Judah, and an old shop worn Shane Mosely were able to close the distance on him so easily. He won't have a chance against SRL

4. I agree Hagler might be a closer matchup. But Hagler is one of the greatest inside fighters of all time. Hagler's thudding power on the inside would be hard for Floyd to withstand for a full 12 round fight


Floyd goes 0-4 against them

 

[patscorpio]

I haven’t seen dude fight in years, but it’s just a bad idea.

Fighting smaller heavyweights that are better boxers and have faster handspeed? In addition, those guys would be better built for that weight. If they could be heavyweights, they would because there is more money there.

Dude looks skinny in his 220s. It doesn’t even look sustainable. He’s just a naturally big guy. He’ll come in looking like Byrd against Shaun George.

It’s kind of funny how some guys believe that moving down in weight is the answer because they believe they’re the bigger guy and that they’ll be more effective. It doesn’t exactly work that way.

Exactly..kownacki had issues moving his head from shots...you can be fat but move your gotdamn head...the day he decided he was going to eat 300 punches from arreola in a 12 round fight was the day his chin/resistance was finished

 

[Erratic415]

He'll go 0-4

Floyd loses to all, but he’s naturally smaller than all of them (except Duran) anyway so that’s to be expected. 147 was his fourth division in which he won a title in. He was better at 130-140. I like matching him up with guys like Arguello, Chavez, Duran, Whitaker, Camacho (pre-Rosario), Mosley, Pryor, etc…than those naturally larger guys.

Personally I think Whitaker has a better chance against Duran at 135. That’s about a 50/50 fight to me.

I actually think Floyd may have a better chance against Duran above 147 than 135-147. Neither guy was the same at those weights, but Duran ran more hot and cold at that stage (he also already had like 80 pro fights) and I saw more of a loss of footspeed from Duran.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

I had the privilege of seeing it twice, quality film and keeps it real!

 

[Erratic415]

Have yall seen the 4 kings of British boxing documentary on Amazon Prime??

Never knew Lennonx Lewis and Frank Bruno had beef like that.


Lennox called Bruno an Uncle Tom

I didn’t see that one, but I saw the Bruno v. Tyson one from a few years back. They delve into Lennox calling him an Uncle Tom. Bruno wore trunks that said ‘True Brit’, as Lennox had moved and won a Gold Medal for Canada in the Olympics, not for England.

A couple years later after he won a title against McCall, Bruno was still saying in an interview “I’m a champion now….And I’m not an Uncle Tom”. I felt kind of bad for Frank

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I haven’t seen dude fight in years, but it’s just a bad idea.

Fighting smaller heavyweights that are better boxers and have faster handspeed? In addition, those guys would be better built for that weight. If they could be heavyweights, they would because there is more money there.

Dude looks skinny in his 220s. It doesn’t even look sustainable. He’s just a naturally big guy. He’ll come in looking like Byrd against Shaun George.

It’s kind of funny how some guys believe that moving down in weight is the answer because they believe they’re the bigger guy and that they’ll be more effective. It doesn’t exactly work that way.

Yeah but the dude isn’t a heavyweight size at all to begin with? He’s borderline cruiser weight? This is his weight class?

At the very least, theoretically, fukk that, definitely, he can take a shot better with his busted style. His opponents don’t have 60-80 pounds on him.

People acting like physics doesn’t exist on some flat earth logic.

 

[theflyest]

Yeah but the dude isn’t a heavyweight size at all to begin with? He’s borderline cruiser weight? This is his weight class?

At the very least, theoretically, fukk that, definitely, he can take a shot better with his busted style. His opponents don’t have 60-80 pounds on him.

People acting like physics doesn’t exist on some flat earth logic.

He typically fought in the 260s

 

[TheNig]

those smaller faster heavies are just gonna find his chin quicker than the big slow nikkas that were beating his ass already.

It really doesn't matter like Pat said. Punch resistance is probably kaput and he's never had good footwork. And like you said, those lighter HWs would dance circles around him while boxing his ears into his brain.

 

[UpAndComing]

I didn’t see that one, but I saw the Bruno v. Tyson one from a few years back. They delve into Lennox calling him an Uncle Tom. Bruno wore trunks that said ‘True Brit’, as Lennox had moved and won a Gold Medal for Canada in the Olympics, not for England.

A couple years later after he won a title against McCall, Lennox was still saying in an interview “I’m a champion now….And I’m not an Uncle Tom”. I felt kind of bad for Frank

I agree but Bruno is not 100% the victim in this. Lennox Lewis was getting the "Not a true British guy" flack since he turned pro in 1988. And it technically wasn't his fault, his mother moved for a job opportunity and he obviously followed years later, did high school in Canada. It was Bruno who was the first to fan the flames of the "Not a true Brit" crap when Lewis decided to turn pro under the British flag, and then the media latched on to the "Lennox is a champion without a home" trope which was disrespectful. Bruno is just mad Lennox found an insult that cut deep

 

[UpAndComing]

He typically fought in the 260s

He's a fat 260 lol

 

[TheNig]

He's a fat 260 lol

He's always been a blob and I think we all thought that regardless how hard he punches, that his conditioning was going to catch up with him.

Not saying that he shoulda looked like a Greek God but it was obvious he didn't take care of himself.

 

[UpAndComing]

He's always been a blob and I think we all thought that regardless how hard he punches, that his conditioning was going to catch up with him.

Not saying that he shoulda looked like a Greek God but it was obvious he didn't take care of himself.

Facts. I been saying this for years. The "era of the big heavyweights" is just fat dudes who don't want to lose weight and do strength & conditioning. In this era there is maybe 5 dudes who are legit big super heavyweights. Most are just fat as hell lol. Andy Ruiz being a blob, and still have the stamina, and chin, to go a full 12 rounds is a literal anomaly