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Did he fight canelo at 154 or 152
As a founding member of the #CaneloCommission.....Canelo said he'd fight Floyd at a catchweight of 150. Once Floyd started negotiating with him, he made Canelo stick to his OWN word about fighting him at a catchweight and not 1 pound heavier
Canelo did it to himself, like Chad Dawson did it to HIMSELF against SOG
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I know you all to well newz............ I knew you had an agenda in thereAs a founding member of the #CaneloCommission.....Canelo said he'd fight Floyd at a catchweight of 150. Once Floyd started negotiating with him, he made Canelo stick to his OWN word about fighting him at a catchweight and not 1 pound heavier
Canelo did it to himself, like Chad Dawson did it to HIMSELF against SOG
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I know you all to well newz............ I knew you had an agenda in there
There's no agenda
Just furthering my point from another thread
#SOGGang
Black_Jesus
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As a founding member of the #CaneloCommission.....Canelo said he'd fight Floyd at a catchweight of 150. Once Floyd started negotiating with him, he made Canelo stick to his OWN word about fighting him at a catchweight and not 1 pound heavier
Canelo did it to himself, like Chad Dawson did it to HIMSELF against SOG
But Floyd said winning by fighting the champ at a catchweight wasn't a legit win... Remember how Cotto was undefeated until Floyd fought him
But Floyd said winning by fighting the champ at a catchweight wasn't a legit win... Remember how Cotto was undefeated until Floyd fought him
Are we going by what Floyd said now? Because if its true, let's erase the victories over Canelo & JMM from his resume
But let's also erase Pacquiao's victories over Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, and the 3rd fight with JMM
Black_Jesus
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You can go by what Floyd says if you want.. and you can erase the wins too, but Pac/oscar wasn't at a catchweight. That idiot came in light on his own and it wasn't for a title.. And JMM asked for the catchweight in the 3rd fight.. which he lost.. you would only not count it if JMM wonAre we going by what Floyd said now? Because if its true, let's erase the victories over Canelo & JMM from his resume
But let's also erase Pacquiao's victories over Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, and the 3rd fight with JMM
Black_Jesus
Superstar
JMM did win.....he was robbed
Well thats your opinion... I scored it a draw.. No robbery took place that night.. fight was too close
Of course you did breh
You probably have Manny up 3-1 in the series, which REALLY reinforces there is no need for a 5th fight, but that's another story.
JMM was robbed in that fight.
Unofficial Scorecards
- Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/California Boxing Hall of Fame inductee: 115-115 Draw
- Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
- Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
- Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/The Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
- Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
- Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
- Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
- Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
- Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
- Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
- Brad c00ney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
- Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
- Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Kevin Cunningham: Draw
- Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
- Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
- Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
- Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
- Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
- Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
- Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
- George Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
- Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
- Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
- Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Doug Fischer, The Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
- Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
- James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
- Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Chuck Giampa: 116-112 Marquez
- Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
- King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
- Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
- Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
- Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
- Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
- Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
- Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
- Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
- Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
- Roy Jones Jr.: Draw
- Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
- Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
- David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
- Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
- Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
- Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, The Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
- Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
- Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
- Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
- Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
- Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog for the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won. However, he actually scored the fight six rounds apiece: Rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, and 11 for Pacquiao.)
- Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
- Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 115-113Marquez
- Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
- Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
- Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
- Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
- Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
- Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
- Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
- Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
- Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
- Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
- Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
- Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114 Draw
- Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
- Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Michael Rosenthal, Editor, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Lem Satterfield, The Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
- "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Elie Seckbach, EsNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
- Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
- Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
- Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Justin Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
- Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
- Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
- Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
- Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
- Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
- George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
- Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
HBO polled a group of boxing writers and experts after the fight: 46% saw Marquez winning, 42% saw it a draw and 12% saw Pacquiao winning.
Even the general public did not agree with you @Black_Jesus
Readers vote Pacquiao-Marquez III the “Robbery of the Year” for 2011
Doug Fischer
December 23, 2011
There were worse decisions than Manny Pacquiao’s majority decision victory over Juan Manuel Marquez in 2011, but none were as high-profile as their third bout.
The result of Pacquiao-Marquez III was seen as the “Robbery of the Year” by 43 percent of the fans who voted in this year’s RingTV.com readers’ choice year-end award poll.
Other bad decisions of 2011 that received votes included Paul Williams-Erislandy Lara (32.1 percent), Robert Helenius-Dereck Chisora (9.8), Devon Alexander-Lucas Matthysse (8.9) and Felix Sturm-Matthew Macklin (6.3).
However, few (if any) controversial verdicts evoked the outrage that the Marquez’s heart-breaking loss did.
The impassioned outcry was not surprising. Pacquiao and Marquez both have diehard national followings and their rivaly is among the sport’s most heated of the past 20 years.
Marquez clearly outclassed Pacquiao when they first fought as featherweights in 2004, but he had to settle for a split-draw because the explosive Filipino scored three first-round knockdowns.
Had Pacquiao not scored a third-round knockdown in their hotly contested rematch, fought for Marquez’s 130-pound title in 2008, they would have battled to another draw. Instead, Pacquiao won a split decision.
Marquez (53-6-1, 39 knockouts) not only avoided being knocked down in their third match on Nov. 12 in Las Vegas, the 38-year-old veteran fought more effectively than he did in their two previous bouts.
His masterful exhibition of aggressive counter punching shocked and awed most observers, but it wasn’t enough to sway the official judges, who scored the bout 116-112, 115-113 and 114-114 for Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs), obviously crediting the huge favorite’s greater activity.
Press row disagreed with the official verdict. In a poll of 20 ringside boxing writers conducted by Golden Boy Promotions publicist Bill Caplan, 12 thought that Marquez won the bout, seven scored it a draw, while only one had it for Pacquiao (by one point).
Retired veteran judge Chuck Giampa, who scored the bout 116-112 for Marquez, stated that “Marquez controlled the majority of rounds with effective aggression AND ring generalship,” in his You Be the Judge column in the February issue of THE RING.
“I believe (Harold) Lederman (HBO’s unofficial judge commentator who scored the bout 116-112 for Pacquiao) and the three judges did not give Marquez enough credit for his effecive counter punching. As per the rules, a fighter should be given credit for effective aggression whether moving forward, backward, sideways, against the ropes or counter punching.”
That did not happen on Nov. 12 in the eyes of most fans, many of whom counted Marquez out, believing that the reigning RING lightweight champ would not be effective fighting at the 144-pound catchweight for the third bout.
However, although Marquez is officially 0-1-2 against Pacquiao, the Mexican legend scored a couple moral victories over his fellow hall-of-fame bound rival with his unexpected strong showing.
Pacquiao was dropped from the No. 1 spot on the pound-for-pound rankings of both Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com and replaced by Floyd Mayweather, who scored a one-sided decision over Marquez in 2009.
And while Pacquiao retained his WBO welterweight title on Nov. 12, he lost something that night that he carried into every bout that he won since his rematch with Marquez. The moment the decision was announced, Pacquiao was no longer the senitmental favorite among general fans.
That status clearly belonged to Marquez.
Readers vote Pacquiao-Marquez III the "Robbery of the Year" for 2011 - Ring TV
Robbery of the Year?
Readers vote Pacquiao-Marquez III the “Robbery of the Year” for 2011
Doug Fischer
December 23, 2011
There were worse decisions than Manny Pacquiao’s majority decision victory over Juan Manuel Marquez in 2011, but none were as high-profile as their third bout.
The result of Pacquiao-Marquez III was seen as the “Robbery of the Year” by 43 percent of the fans who voted in this year’s RingTV.com readers’ choice year-end award poll.
Other bad decisions of 2011 that received votes included Paul Williams-Erislandy Lara (32.1 percent), Robert Helenius-Dereck Chisora (9.8), Devon Alexander-Lucas Matthysse (8.9) and Felix Sturm-Matthew Macklin (6.3).
However, few (if any) controversial verdicts evoked the outrage that the Marquez’s heart-breaking loss did.
The impassioned outcry was not surprising. Pacquiao and Marquez both have diehard national followings and their rivaly is among the sport’s most heated of the past 20 years.
Marquez clearly outclassed Pacquiao when they first fought as featherweights in 2004, but he had to settle for a split-draw because the explosive Filipino scored three first-round knockdowns.
Had Pacquiao not scored a third-round knockdown in their hotly contested rematch, fought for Marquez’s 130-pound title in 2008, they would have battled to another draw. Instead, Pacquiao won a split decision.
Marquez (53-6-1, 39 knockouts) not only avoided being knocked down in their third match on Nov. 12 in Las Vegas, the 38-year-old veteran fought more effectively than he did in their two previous bouts.
His masterful exhibition of aggressive counter punching shocked and awed most observers, but it wasn’t enough to sway the official judges, who scored the bout 116-112, 115-113 and 114-114 for Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs), obviously crediting the huge favorite’s greater activity.
Press row disagreed with the official verdict. In a poll of 20 ringside boxing writers conducted by Golden Boy Promotions publicist Bill Caplan, 12 thought that Marquez won the bout, seven scored it a draw, while only one had it for Pacquiao (by one point).
Retired veteran judge Chuck Giampa, who scored the bout 116-112 for Marquez, stated that “Marquez controlled the majority of rounds with effective aggression AND ring generalship,” in his You Be the Judge column in the February issue of THE RING.
“I believe (Harold) Lederman (HBO’s unofficial judge commentator who scored the bout 116-112 for Pacquiao) and the three judges did not give Marquez enough credit for his effecive counter punching. As per the rules, a fighter should be given credit for effective aggression whether moving forward, backward, sideways, against the ropes or counter punching.”
That did not happen on Nov. 12 in the eyes of most fans, many of whom counted Marquez out, believing that the reigning RING lightweight champ would not be effective fighting at the 144-pound catchweight for the third bout.
However, although Marquez is officially 0-1-2 against Pacquiao, the Mexican legend scored a couple moral victories over his fellow hall-of-fame bound rival with his unexpected strong showing.
Pacquiao was dropped from the No. 1 spot on the pound-for-pound rankings of both Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com and replaced by Floyd Mayweather, who scored a one-sided decision over Marquez in 2009.
And while Pacquiao retained his WBO welterweight title on Nov. 12, he lost something that night that he carried into every bout that he won since his rematch with Marquez. The moment the decision was announced, Pacquiao was no longer the senitmental favorite among general fans.
That status clearly belonged to Marquez.
Readers vote Pacquiao-Marquez III the "Robbery of the Year" for 2011 - Ring TV
Robbery of the Year?
Black_Jesus
Superstar
Of course you did breh
You probably have Manny up 3-1 in the series, which REALLY reinforces there is no need for a 5th fight, but that's another story.
JMM was robbed in that fight.
Unofficial Scorecards
Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw
- Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/California Boxing Hall of Fame inductee: 115-115 Draw
- Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
- Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
- Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/The Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
- Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
- Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
- Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
- Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
- Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
- Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
- Brad c00ney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
- Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
- Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Kevin Cunningham: Draw
- Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
- Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
- Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
- Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
- Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
- Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
- Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
- George Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
- Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
- Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
- Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Doug Fischer, The Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
- Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
- James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
- Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Chuck Giampa: 116-112 Marquez
- Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
- King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
- Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
- Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
- Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
- Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
- Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
- Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
- Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
- Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
- Roy Jones Jr.: Draw
- Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
- Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
- David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
- Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
- Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
- Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, The Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
- Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
- Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
- Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
- Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
- Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog for the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won. However, he actually scored the fight six rounds apiece: Rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, and 11 for Pacquiao.)
- Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
- Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 115-113Marquez
- Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
- Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
- Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
- Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
- Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
- Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
- Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
- Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
- Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
- Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
- Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
- Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114 Draw
- Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
- Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Michael Rosenthal, Editor, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
- Lem Satterfield, The Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
- "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Elie Seckbach, EsNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
- Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
- Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
- Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
- Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Justin Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
- Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
- Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
- Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
- Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
- Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
- Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
- Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
- Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
- George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
- Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
- Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
HBO polled a group of boxing writers and experts after the fight: 46% saw Marquez winning, 42% saw it a draw and 12% saw Pacquiao winning.
Well thanks for proving my point... You have 83 out of 144 who DID NOT score JMM as the winner.. But you're screaming robbery? Get it together man i'm starting to get worried
Well thanks for proving my point... You have 83 out of 144 who DID NOT score JMM as the winner.. But you're screaming robbery? Get it together man i'm starting to get worried
So, you just decide to side step the 2nd part of the post right after it though
12% saw Pacquiao winning?
That means that 88% saw the fight as a Marquez win or at WORST a draw, with the majority 46% giving Marquez the win. Only 12% thought Manny won
Then you skip these as well?
20 ringside writers, 19 thought that JMM won or at worst was a draw, with the majority...12...giving Marquez the win. Only 1 person thought Manny won
^^^Then the much loved Manny gets voted as the winner of Robbery of the year by readers by damn near half the votes with a 43%
You tripping. Manny robbed JMM, and he LOST that fight.
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