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[Kunty McPhuck]

1. Pisshead? You got a personal vendetta against the man or something?

2. p*ssy? You sounding real emotional right now

3. Grandpa has beat the odds numerous times and is still a competitive fighter. Froch may have run over Bute, but I haven't seen him run over a great boxer with a chin yet...



Between Froch/Bute, Game 7, and UFC I forgot all about 24/7, I'm bout to watch it now

Pavliks a confirmed alkie. Why else you think he couldnt shake that infection a few years back.

Dirrell didnt want to fight Ward. His showing against Froch was awful for the most part, all that ability he has he was more interested in runnin, holdin and moanin. You can get away with that shyt att home but when u in someone elses backyard, nah that aint gunna cut it.

B-Hop was lucky in the 1st Pascal fight because Pascal quit halfway thru the fight coz he fought he did enough already and allowed B-Hop to get nack into the fight and then B-Hop used that momentum he had from the 1st and take it into the 2nd fight. The Dawson fight showed he just doesnt have it anymore at that elite level anymore, hes still good and makes u work and he'll still beat the 2nd tier fighters but why watch B-Hop do that.

 

[SuikodenII]

top tank fukked up for making that fight with hopkins in the first place. u might be right but im interested in what pavlik wll do with the new team he has now. amazing how 2years ago he was the man at 160, now he's fighting on friday night fights

There was nothing wrong with making that fight, Pavlik just needs to grow up and face his personal issues. He's wasting his talents for nonsense

What shame is there losing to a hall of famer and not only one of the best middleweights of all time, but one of the greatest fighters in our lifetimes?

It's mental. As are the cause of most athlete's sudden fall while in their prime. I'm not saying it made a difference in the Martinez fight, but outside the ring dude's a wreck

 

[SuikodenII]

Pavliks a confirmed alkie. Why else you think he couldnt shake that infection a few years back.

Dirrell didnt want to fight Ward. His showing against Froch was awful for the most part, all that ability he has he was more interested in runnin, holdin and moanin. You can get away with that shyt att home but when u in someone elses backyard, nah that aint gunna cut it.

B-Hop was lucky in the 1st Pascal fight because Pascal quit halfway thru the fight coz he fought he did enough already and allowed B-Hop to get nack into the fight and then B-Hop used that momentum he had from the 1st and take it into the 2nd fight. The Dawson fight showed he just doesnt have it anymore at that elite level anymore, hes still good and makes u work and he'll still beat the 2nd tier fighters but why watch B-Hop do that.

-We know about Pavlik's demons, but we're talking about the boxer, not the man. If he's said he's changed all we can do is take his word for it and see what comes out of it in the ring. If he looks good in a couple weeks, I say why not

-Dirrell understood that, hence why he stood his ground against Abraham and looked like an evolved version of himself. Fact remains, Froch barely landed a punch the entire night, Dirrell STUNNED Froch dead in his tracks several times. Boring fight indeed, not an outrageous decision, but not a clear victory as I stated.

-Oooooooh, Pascal quit just because...right Hopkins style had nothing to do with that? I understand not liking the guy's approach to boxing but it's effective to getting under the skin and into the mind of his opponents, and if the head goes, the body shall also. Hopkins was jobbed out of a victory in the first bout and rightfully won the rematch. This JUST happened.

Again, show me the great boxer with a chin Froch has beaten, it's not implausible to say Hopkins teaches another lesson to another young/in-prime superstar

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

top tank fukked up for making that fight with hopkins in the first place. u might be right but im interested in what pavlik wll do with the new team he has now. amazing how 2years ago he was the man at 160, now he's fighting on friday night fights

Pavlik was fine when he was fightin punchers he can go dig for dig, but as soon as he fought boxers he struggled. He wouldnt of had half the career he has done if Taylor didnt gas in the 1st fight(which was more of him tryin to finish in style as the critics were gettin on his case, especially after that Spinks fight) then in the 2nd fight Taylor had it close some say Taylor won, i think Pavlik done enough plus Taylor was weary of gettin caught again. Then the 2 fights Pavliks gone up against elite boxers hes looked outclassed and out of his depth.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

-We know about Pavlik's demons, but we're talking about the boxer, not the man. If he's said he's changed all we can do is take his word for it and see what comes out of it in the ring. If he looks good in a couple weeks, I say why not

-Dirrell understood that, hence why he stood his ground against Abraham and looked like an evolved version of himself. Fact remains, Froch barely landed a punch the entire night, Dirrell STUNNED Froch dead in his tracks several times. Boring fight indeed, not an outrageous decision, but not a clear victory as I stated.

-Oooooooh, Pascal quit just because...right Hopkins style had nothing to do with that? I understand not liking the guy's approach to boxing but it's effective to getting under the skin and into the mind of his opponents, and if the head goes, the body shall also. Hopkins was jobbed out of a victory in the first bout and rightfully won the rematch. This JUST happened.

Again, show me the great boxer with a chin Froch has beaten, it's not implausible to say Hopkins teaches another lesson to another young/in-prime superstar

Whatever Pavlik had, that he went with the Sergio fight. Pavlik has heart and is heavy handed but he can be outboxed and doesnt know any other way. Hes still gunna be the same fighter as he was before, just because hes not that talented to where he can adjust and come with something different.

@ the Dirrell stuff you makin him go from a house cat to a tiger all from 1 fight. AA was tailor made for Dirrell tbh.

Pascals arrogance cost him the fight he won the 1st 4-5 rds with 2 knockdowns then did fukk all else. Yeah historically B-Hop comes on stronger in fights but for Pascal not to win another round after the 5th was disguistin, especially when he had the speed and power advance and was givin B-Hop problems. Tbh there arent that many great boxers with great chins in the higher divs to begin with in the 1st place and u should know this so i dont know why u bought it up.

B-Hop will beat Cleverly but wont beat Froch.

 

[SuikodenII]

Whatever Pavlik had, that he went with the Sergio fight. Pavlik has heart and is heavy handed but he can be outboxed and doesnt know any other way. Hes still gunna be the same fighter as he was before, just because hes not that talented to where he can adjust and come with something different.

@ the Dirrell stuff you makin him go from a house cat to a tiger all from 1 fight. AA was tailor made for Dirrell tbh.

Pascals arrogance cost him the fight he won the 1st 4-5 rds with 2 knockdowns then did fukk all else. Yeah historically B-Hop comes on stronger in fights but for Pascal not to win another round after the 5th was disguistin, especially when he had the speed and power advance and was givin B-Hop problems. Tbh there arent that many great boxers with great chins in the higher divs to begin with in the 1st place and u should know this so i dont know why u bought it up.

B-Hop will beat Cleverly but wont beat Froch.

Dirrell stood his ground and boxed Abraham with a STIFF jab and hard rights, he got caught late by a surging Abraham, then the DQ happened. It was a different fight all together, but again, Froch did NOTHING in their bout. Nothing clear about that "victory". Dirrell that fought Abraham shows up, Froch might be tasting that canvas...might...

I agree about Pavlik not being the slickest boxer out, but he can still go, Froch ain't that slick either...just great instincts and hand speed make it seem otherwise


If HISTORY TELLS YOU HOPKINS GETS STRONGER AS THE FIGHT PROGRESSES then why won't you give him credit for doing it against Pascal?

I bring it up because Froch is not a great boxer, but a great slugger and when presented with a great boxer with a chin, he loses. If Taylor had a chin, that would be 3 loses. Dirrell fight was a wash since it wasn't clear, hell he barely landed while getting stopped dead in his tracks several times during the bout. 4 loses.

I'm making a case for Grandpa having the boxing skills, and the chin, to beat Carl Froch RIGHT NOW


And no shame to losing to Dawson, he's an elite fighter, best 175 fighter out, had a STRANGE bout with Pascal that needs avenging, and is fighting the best 168 fighter out.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Dirrell stood his ground and boxed Abraham with a STIFF jab and hard rights, he got caught late by a surging Abraham, then the DQ happened. It was a different fight all together, but again, Froch did NOTHING in their bout. Nothing clear about that "victory". Dirrell that fought Abraham shows up, Froch might be tasting that canvas...might...

I agree about Pavlik not being the slickest boxer out, but he can still go, Froch ain't that slick either...just great instincts and hand speed make it seem otherwise


If HISTORY TELLS YOU HOPKINS GETS STRONGER AS THE FIGHT PROGRESSES then why won't you give him credit for doing it against Pascal?

I bring it up because Froch is not a great boxer, but a great slugger and when presented with a great boxer with a chin, he loses. If Taylor had a chin, that would be 3 loses. Dirrell fight was a wash since it wasn't clear, hell he barely landed while getting stopped dead in his tracks several times during the bout. 4 loses.

I'm making a case for Grandpa having the boxing skills, and the chin, to beat Carl Froch RIGHT NOW


And no shame to losing to Dawson, he's an elite fighter, best 175 fighter out, had a STRANGE bout with Pascal that needs avenging, and is fighting the best 168 fighter out.

Dirrell has the most talent in the division but he aint about that life, tbh Im done with the Dirrell talk.

Its not about Doin B-Hop a disservice its more about Pascal gettin on his bike from round 5 or 6 in the fight and doin nothing. Obviously it look great for B-Hop with an epic comeback, but the truth is Pascal quit when he should of won the fight by the same distance as Dawson did. He pretty much tells u in the post fight interview as much i did enough in the early rounds, its a 12rd fight u silly c*nt or till the ref stops it.

Froch is a fukkin clown, when he listens to McCracken (classic name) he has the fights of his career when he does, when he doesnt he loses and takes too long to get into fights. The thing that Froch has that alot of these fighters lack is a shytload of heart amd doesnt give up and he will keep comin the Taylor/Kessler/Ward fights show this ok hes 1-2 in those fights but he aint gunna be humbled like a little bytch in the latter stages. Froch has already fought the closest person to B-Hop style in Ward and Grandpa isnt as fast as Ward is and Froch knows what he has to do against that particular style in the future, obviously with.the odd adjustment here and there. Hopkins thrives of takin fighters souls, he wont take Frochs and like you said, Froch has deceptive handspeed, which does cause BHop problems and if he listens to McCac he would beat Hopkins. Hopkins still beats Cleverly as he doesnt have the experience and is too flashy and likes to brawl. I only keep in mentionin Cleverly as that keeps in being talked about over here.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

oh my....that slurring...this is like a rare interview..common knowledge terrible terry got some brain damage..why interview him...damn

his opinion still matters..

 

[yoyoyo1]

Can't believe anyone is still backing Hopkins at this stage. His act has gotten old.

 

[yoyoyo1]

Max Boxing - News - Winky Wright:

Winky Confused As USADA Takes, Then Destroys Drug Testing Samples!

"They told my attorney they threw it out. That’s crazy. Why would they throw it out.?They just finished telling us and they are going to throw it out already? Does this sound crazy?" Wright.

Lost in the frenzy over Lamont Peterson and Andre Berto testing positive for synthetic testosterone and nandrolone respectively, two outcomes that killed two much anticipated rematches, was the news that Peter Quillin and Ronald "Winky" Wright had agreed to do USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) testing for their June 2 match at the Home Depot Center in Carson, CA. The bout is part of a quadruple-header on Showtime. When it was revealed Peterson had tested positive and then Berto’s positive was revealed the next week, Wright, a 40 year-old fighter returning after a four year layoff to take on a top middleweight contender in Quillin. The fight itself is going to be tough enough. All Wright was looking for was what Floyd Mayweather, Jr. hoped to bring to the table almost three years ago: a level playing field.

“Everybody kept popping up positive for all this other stuff,” Wright told Maxboxing early Saturday morning. “I was just like boxing isn’t always a fair game. I figured I should get this, too. So I called Golden Boy Promotions and said ‘Why we ain’t doing it’ They was like “uh, etc., etc., this and this and that. What’s his name and someone didn’t want to pay or it something. I said ‘Ok. I’m going to pay for it. It’s all good. I just want to play on the same field, that’s all.”

According to Wright, his pricetag was $10,000 for the extra testing. Wright agreed. I asked which testing organization he asked for, USADA or VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, an independent testing organization that detected Peterson and Berto’s positive tests).

“I didn’t know the difference between them,” said Wright. “I just told Golden Boy I wanted to be tested and they came back with (USADA). I said 5.”

“They came to my house at 6 in the morning. They took urine, blood. Everything,” said Wright.

But suddenly, just two days approximately after Quillin’s sample was taken and a day after Wright’s sample was taken, USADA contacted Wright’s lawyer and announced they would not be doing testing after all. The reason given was that USADA did not have the proper time to educate the fighters on what to take and what not to. The decision has Wright not suspicious of Quillin but rather perplexed by the whole situation. In the case of his fight with Quillin, he is the odd man out. Quillin is with Golden Boy and managed by Al Haymon. Wright has done business with both in the past but is something of a free agent.

 

[SuikodenII]

Dirrell has the most talent in the division but he aint about that life, tbh Im done with the Dirrell talk.

Its not about Doin B-Hop a disservice its more about Pascal gettin on his bike from round 5 or 6 in the fight and doin nothing. Obviously it look great for B-Hop with an epic comeback, but the truth is Pascal quit when he should of won the fight by the same distance as Dawson did. He pretty much tells u in the post fight interview as much i did enough in the early rounds, its a 12rd fight u silly c*nt or till the ref stops it.

Froch is a fukkin clown, when he listens to McCracken (classic name) he has the fights of his career when he does, when he doesnt he loses and takes too long to get into fights. The thing that Froch has that alot of these fighters lack is a shytload of heart amd doesnt give up and he will keep comin the Taylor/Kessler/Ward fights show this ok hes 1-2 in those fights but he aint gunna be humbled like a little bytch in the latter stages. Froch has already fought the closest person to B-Hop style in Ward and Grandpa isnt as fast as Ward is and Froch knows what he has to do against that particular style in the future, obviously with.the odd adjustment here and there. Hopkins thrives of takin fighters souls, he wont take Frochs and like you said, Froch has deceptive handspeed, which does cause BHop problems and if he listens to McCac he would beat Hopkins. Hopkins still beats Cleverly as he doesnt have the experience and is too flashy and likes to brawl. I only keep in mentionin Cleverly as that keeps in being talked about over here.

I bet you are

Saying Pascal should've won is a preconceived notion that he was somehow superior, while he got outboxed in back-to-back bouts. Just deal with the fact Grandpa is a grand wizard in this sport.

Love him or hate him, he gets the job done. And I still believe he beats Carl Froch, just a much better boxer overall.

The fight itself could very well end up a DQ as neither would back down from the illegal tactics

 

[Sam Peel]

Bute looked like he had a lot left to me. Bad stoppage

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Bute looked like he had a lot left to me. Bad stoppage

Nah, even Butes trainer was sayin it should of been stopped sooner than it was. Bute was takin far too much punishment. If he went on he could of ended up as damaged goods.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Bute looked like he had a lot left to me. Bad stoppage

no disrespect, but a lot left for what? a beat down? Bute was basically a beaten man from round 4.

 

[El Dinero]

damn boxing is dirty, props to those helping clean up the sport