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[mr. smoke weed]

which means u have to start reppin craw.

batboss said so

It's funny, I came to ride with Valdez after his first HBO performance (which was subpar), I believe on the BATB/Pedo Vargas fight. So Bob told Valdez go make some noise on TruTV before you get back to HBO, and Valdez knocked dude the fukk out, a fight that BATB was announcing, and pointed out how excellent Valdez's left hook is. Also Valdez got his first footage shown on HBO, during the Ruslan/Timmy fight Six degrees of #SmokeSquad separation.

I like Craw, but if he stays at 140 he'll eventually be in Mikey's way so

@Newzz IDK why breh who tweeted that video considered Tim duckin? Was strange to me

 

[mr. smoke weed]

if golovin career ended right now would he be a hall of famer?

question of the day for ANYONE who wants to answer. short or long answers will be accepted.

As in his last fight was against Kell Brook? No I don't see it. Dude's are ?? if Donaire will be HOF.

 

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If he "barely sold 300k" vs Bradley...600k or more vs Vargas is a pipe dream


His advisor fukked him over on this one

I know ur previous argument about Floyd not drawing a mill before his fight with Oscar but do u think craw really would do better numbers wit pac....right now. better fight IMO but idk if it draws much more.

 

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TEAM ANDRADE ADDRESSES FAILED NEGOTIATIONS FOR CULCAY FIGHT
By Press Release | November 04, 2016

The World Boxing Association (WBA) ruling, which recently ordered a new purse bid for the Demetrius Andrade-Jack Culcay bout, showed that there is more to the story than the Sauerland Promotion version of events which caused their WBA Junior Middleweight World Title fight to be cancelled.

Ed Farris of A-Team Promotions (Andrade's co-promoter) said, "The original Sauerland contract was never even given to Andrade because it had ridiculous clauses in it, allowing Sauerland to change the date of the event with virtually no notice, which is against purse bid rules. There were additional clauses in there as well, which would have penalized Andrade $100,000 (virtually Andrade's entire purse) for missing a single press conference half way around the world, with very little notice! It was clear to us that Culcay's side was trying everything they could to force us to pull out. What wasn't reported was that Demetrius signed a binding bout contract as soon as it was sent to him, almost an entire month prior to the fight. Not to mention the fact that the purse bid contract is binding in itself! When the WBA intervened on October 24 and issued their own standard contract requiring compliance within seven days, Demetrius signed his within 24 hours of receiving it." (Per the WBA purse bid rule D.11, which allows the WBA to force the execution of its own contract for disputes between the two parties when the WBA recognized that the 31-page Sauerland agreement made it all but impossible for Andrade to sign.)

Ed Farris continued, "Demetrius wanted to get back in the ring ASAP, so we tried like hell to make this work. Needless to say, I'm disappointed about the thought of having to go thru the purse bid process all over again. The purse bid agreement was a binding legal contract, yet Demetrius just spent the last two months training for nothing! It was Culcay's side that didn't sign the simple four page WBA bout contract within the seven day imposed deadline, not our side, and I have the signed contracts to prove it. Culcay's side stated the fight was cancelled four weeks ago, which was absurd, because they were still negotiating with our side just a week prior regarding a minor issue with the gloves. We have emails to prove that as well. Why would they be continuing to negotiate with us if they had already cancelled the bout four weeks earlier? The truth is that they have tried everything they possibly could to avoid putting Culcay in the ring with Andrade, including filing petitions with the WBA just hours before the purse bid was to take place in an attempt to stop the bid. They never expected to win the bid in the first place, but gambled that our side was going to bid much higher. I have no idea when Demetrius is going to step in the ring again, but I can tell you these failed negotiations sure as hell had nothing to do with him or his team. The reason that this fight didn't happen lies solely on Sauerland Promotions and that is a fact."

Demetrius Andrade was clearly disappointed to hear the bout would no longer be happening. He said, "I signed everything that was put in front of me as soon as I received it, so it was a surprise to hear that our team was being blamed for the fight being cancelled. I put in countless hours of training and sparring in preparation for this fight. Jack Culcay and I both had plenty of time to get ready. This wasn't a fight on short notice. It's been a crazy last few weeks, and as of Sunday, I didn't even know whether I needed to fly to Germany or not! Right now, I just want to move forward with my career and give the fans the fights that they deserve. I am ready to get in the ring with anyone in my division to prove that I'm the best 154 lb fighter in the world."


TEAM ANDRADE ADDRESSES FAILED NEGOTIATIONS FOR CULCAY FIGHT || FIGHTHYPE.COM


Vindication

 

[Newzz]

It's funny, I came to ride with Valdez after his first HBO performance (which was subpar), I believe on the BATB/Pedo Vargas fight. So Bob told Valdez go make some noise on TruTV before you get back to HBO, and Valdez knocked dude the fukk out, a fight that BATB was announcing, and pointed out how excellent Valdez's left hook is. Also Valdez got his first footage shown on HBO, during the Ruslan/Timmy fight Six degrees of #SmokeSquad separation.

I like Craw, but if he stays at 140 he'll eventually be in Mikey's way so

@Newzz IDK why breh who tweeted that video considered Tim duckin? Was strange to me

I didn't even watch the video yet

Bradley looking to cash out, he already told us this, so it makes sense why he wouldn't fight them and instead move up to JMW for a PPV clash vs Cotto

 

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I didn't even watch the video yet

Bradley looking to cash out, he already told us this, so it makes sense why he wouldn't fight them and instead move up to JMW for a PPV clash vs Cotto

so if u pick the better purse "draw" instead of the better hardcore fan "match up" its not a duck. plus cotto got a better resume than spence

 

[Newzz]

I know ur previous argument about Floyd not drawing a mill before his fight with Oscar but do u think craw really would do better numbers wit pac....right now. better fight IMO but idk if it draws much more.

Yes, it definitely would've done more buys than Pacquiao/Vargas is gonna do, but also would make more revenue due to the fact:

1. HBO & ESPN would be involved and heavily promote the fight
2. Crawford has a bigger fan base than Vargas does and they also travel very well which means more revenue
3. It would've been a fight that almost every hard core fan of the sport would buy bc the match up would've been outstanding, while for Pac/Vargas, nights gonna do something else or just stream it. there's 0 buzz even amongst US for the fight...that's very telling.
4. The tickets wouldn't be as low as $50 or being sold next to the "Family Planning" aisle in random grocery stores

 

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Yes, it definitely would've done more buys than Pacquiao/Vargas is gonna do, but also would make more revenue due to the fact:

1. HBO & ESPN would be involved and heavily promote the fight
2. Crawford has a bigger fan base than Vargas does and they also travel very well which means more revenue
3. It would've been a fight that almost every hard core fan of the sport would buy bc the match up would've been outstanding, while for Pac/Vargas, nights gonna do something else or just stream it. there's 0 buzz even amongst US for the fight...that's very telling.
4. The tickets wouldn't be as low as $50 or being sold next to the "Family Planning" aisle in random grocery stores

yeah idk if vargas can get 11,000 people to show up at his hometown.

plus idk if vargas did 1 mill plus on reg hbo like craw either with no name guys. plus 1 mill+ vs dulorme on the same night of ruslan-lucas.

and I don't know if he can get 50k ppv with a no name guy who fights in the lunch cafeteria during recess either.

 

[Newzz]

so if u pick the better purse "draw" instead of the better hardcore fan "match up" its not a duck. plus cotto got a better resume than spence

Well, he's not ducking Spence period...he's avoiding him. it's a difference.

For a fighter who's telling us he's about to call it a career? Nope, I wouldnt say Bradley is ducking Spence bc I don't doubt Bradley would fight Spence if it was mandated or they were next to each other in the rankings. I think Bradley is trying to cash himself out & Spence can't help with that...so Bradley is gonna avoid him & go for the bigger bucks.


I don't blame him, bc obviously his heart isn't into doing this for much longer

 

[Newzz]

yeah idk if vargas can get 11,000 people to show up at his hometown.

plus idk if vargas did 1 mill plus on reg hbo like craw either with no name guys. plus 1 mill+ vs dulorme on the same night of ruslan-lucas.

and I don't know if he can get 50k ppv with a no name guy who fights in the lunch cafeteria during recess either.

Yep. Crawford is definitely a draw imo. Top 5 draw out of all American fighters

 

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FLOYD MAYWEATHER COMMENTS ON PACQUIAO VS. VARGAS; PREDICTS REACTION IF PACQUIAO LOSES
By Ben Thompson | November 04, 2016

"I mean, really over at Top Rank, they don't really have too many options," stated promoter and retired undefeated former pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who shared his thoughts on former long-time rival Manny Pacquiao facing one of his former fighters, WBO welterweight champion Jessie Vargas. According to Mayweather, Pacquiao's opponent options have run dry since their record-breaking mega-fight back in May 2015.

"You look at Pacquiao, they don't have that many options. Pacquiao fights these guys 3 and 4 times. I think he might have fought Marquez, what, 4 times. He fought Marquez 4 times. Fought Erik Morales 3 times. Timothy Bradley 3 times. And it's a few other fighters that he fought more than just once," Mayweather remarked during a recent conversation with FightHype.com. "So we talking about something like 5 guys, something like that, 20 times. 20 of his fights was just by 5 guys or 4 guys; I don't really know. Real crazy."

Although Mayweather stopped short of commenting on the actual outcome of the fight, he did share his thoughts on what the reaction might be should Vargas pull off the upset. "If Pacquiao happens to lose the fight, they're going to say age played a factor. If it was me and I lost at his age, they'd been like, 'Yo, I told you Mayweather wasn't what they said he was,'" Mayweather added.

 

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Yep. Crawford is definitely a draw imo. Top 5 draw out of all American fighters

who is ur top 5...I know u got broner,Garcia,Thurman, Crawford....whos the other one's?

wilder? ward?

 

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FLOYD MAYWEATHER COMMENTS ON PACQUIAO VS. VARGAS; PREDICTS REACTION IF PACQUIAO LOSES
By Ben Thompson | November 04, 2016

"I mean, really over at Top Rank, they don't really have too many options," stated promoter and retired undefeated former pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who shared his thoughts on former long-time rival Manny Pacquiao facing one of his former fighters, WBO welterweight champion Jessie Vargas. According to Mayweather, Pacquiao's opponent options have run dry since their record-breaking mega-fight back in May 2015.

"You look at Pacquiao, they don't have that many options. Pacquiao fights these guys 3 and 4 times. I think he might have fought Marquez, what, 4 times. He fought Marquez 4 times. Fought Erik Morales 3 times. Timothy Bradley 3 times. And it's a few other fighters that he fought more than just once," Mayweather remarked during a recent conversation with FightHype.com. "So we talking about something like 5 guys, something like that, 20 times. 20 of his fights was just by 5 guys or 4 guys; I don't really know. Real crazy."

Although Mayweather stopped short of commenting on the actual outcome of the fight, he did share his thoughts on what the reaction might be should Vargas pull off the upset. "If Pacquiao happens to lose the fight, they're going to say age played a factor. If it was me and I lost at his age, they'd been like, 'Yo, I told you Mayweather wasn't what they said he was,'" Mayweather added.

can that be used in an atg convo tho?

like "pac shouldn't be no 5 or whatever # cause he had to run back to many close fights". even if some are hof guys?

 

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“This is the build-up, if he is able to get the job done, to a unification fight,” Wilder said of Joshua-Molina. “If he comes victorious, everyone wants to see him fight the man. And I am the man. No matter what people say, I am the man, especially in America. [Joshua against Molina] is good for the viewers of America. This fight will get a few more Americans on tune with who Joshua is. 2017 will be a beautiful year. Our goal is to unify the division so we need others that want to put their title on the line. 2017 is all about risk-taking and I think it’s going to happen. I want to come back with a bang and unify the division with somebody.”

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in one day vs Molina.

I wonder how josh tv ratings are though.....I don't think martin/dominic fights did to well.

17,000 Anthony Joshua tickets sold - Boxing News

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

nikka gtfoh trying to compare lil g to ward and bhop who are ATGS. Lil g said he'd fight/beat ANYONE from 154-168( i remember those a$$holes even talking about 175 at one point ). Ward and Hopkins all dared to be great so for you to use their names to defend lil g's ducking is disgraceful to everyone in here. Disgraceful behaviour. Both of the men you tried to compare lil g to, took on dangerous matches whether in their class or moving up or both. People can shyt on hopkins after roy left the division but he did fight roy while roy was there,lil g ain't fought a gotdamn thing
Ward won the gotdamn super 6,a gold medal, as a matter of fact @krackdagawd you can do the rest much better

Man, yall people who hate GGG can't even make logical arguments anymore. You didn't even take on one point of my statement, just spewing nonsense.

It is Sanchez who states GGG will take on anyone from 154-168. #GGGoodBoys has already told yall don't even listen to his dumbass. Word from GGG insiders is GGG really doesn't want to move from 160.

I never did or anyone ever say GGG's resume is better than Ward's or Hopkin's. All that was said was that both of them said if Mayweather offered them a fight, of course they would take it. Same as GGG said. No one is out there petitioning for a fight.

@patscorpio may just have to make a GGG haters thread so yall can pat each other on the back for making great arguments and use as little facts as possible. Seems to be what already happens here.