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PBC = QUALITY CONTENT, GARBAGE OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN?

STEVE KIM mockingly shouts, “It’s freeeee!” whenever referencing PBC on his weekly podcast, The Next Round. But have you ever met anyone who’d rather pay for something when they don’t have to? In less than two years, PBC has aired many bouts as good or better than what’s appeared on HBO and, in several instances, better than HBO PPVs. Here’s a sampling, in chronological order, of arguably the top 30 PBC shows (on paper or in the ring), compared to those of HBO:



You be the judge of the qualitative difference between the two, mindful of the seven HBO PPVs and their $75 price tag.

“I’ve been to about four or five PBC shows and I think every show has been quality,” says former contender, trainer and overall boxing omnivore John Scully. “Usually, you go to shows and the undercard guys are matched easy. I’ve seen two prospects get beat on PBC shows. They’re developing the fighters and letting the cream rise to the top.”

“We try to present compelling 50-50 fights,” Tim Smith says. “Yeah, we missed on some. But guess what? Some weekends, you’re going to get the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Cleveland Browns playing each other.”

It appears 2017 will be PBC’s strongest year. Whether this is due to necessity or choice shouldn’t matter to fight fans. But boxing critics will likely find a “Yeah, but” slant.


FOCUS ON THE FINANCES

IN a September 2016 article titled, “What has happened to Premier Boxing Champions?” ESPN boxing writer Dan Rafael speculated that the lack of PBC cards last October was due to a “badly depleted” war chest. Countering that, Smith was quoted saying they wanted to avoid competing against the baseball playoffs and college football, which hurt their programming in 2015. Rafael dismissed Smith’s assertion and closed the piece thus, “Of course, that was not an issue last fall…PBC’s activity level has slowed as its bank account has seemingly dwindled.”

What Smith said aligned with what Spike TV President Kevin Kay told LA Times reporter Lance Pugmire several months earlier.

“We’re working on the 2016 schedule now,” Kay said. “We had some blips going head-to-head with college football, so the discussion is figuring out what to steer clear of.”

Smith says of the reporting: “I’m available to comment to any reporters that want to call and ask questions. But, in that article my quote was buried at the very end of it and that wasn’t even my full quote.”

Less than a month after the Rafael piece was published, PBC announced a 2017 schedule that could see upwards of 50 shows. Some scribes now point to the amount of PBC cards on Showtime – a premium channel that pays licensing fees to air boxing – as proof that PBC is in dire financial straits.

“I think there’s a bit of convenient amnesia from the critics,” says Stephen Espinoza, executive VP at Showtime Sports. “We had a very busy, high level early 2016, much like we’re going to have a very busy, high level early 2017. Nothing I’ve seen has signaled that they’re operating any differently than they had before.”

Espinoza’s point is well-taken. Showtime closed out 2015 and opened 2016 with a slew of PBC cards in that span. But with great power comes a great amount of…schadenfreude. Do boxing fans really care how much money is left in the PBC vault? The worst that could happen if they fail is exactly what was going on before it arrived.

Trainer Virgil Hunter says, “What’s funny is that some of these other companies are one loss away from going down. Now that PBC dropped their 2017 schedule, I think it’s time for the press to stay quiet because they clearly didn’t know what they were talking about.”


ANALYSING THE RATINGS

DO you remember back in the day when fans passionately argued over which network had better ratings? Neither do I. PBC’s are heavily scrutinised. True, their ratings have been inconsistent, but there have been undeniable successes that go disregarded: Errol Spence vs Leonard Bundu on NBC drew 6m viewers; 3.4m tuned into NBC to watch Thurman-Guerrero; CBS’ Thurman-Porter drew 3.1m; 2.3m watched Garcia vs Guerrero on Fox. Naysayers will point out that these numbers on free television are to be expected, missing the obvious: When is the last time SIX MILLION people watched a boxing match? “Now the press wants to announce the viewership on channels like Spike and Bounce,”

Hunter says. “Well, if you want to do that, then fine. Just make sure you do that with stations like Unimas and the others.”

Hunter is referring to Unimas’ Solo Boxeo shows which are promoted by Top Rank. The show’s ratings are never a topic of discussion.

“There does seem to be something uniquely cannibalistic about boxing media and fans,” says Espinoza. “I think some of it comes out of passion for the sport and a desire for it to be at its best as much as possible. At the same token, there has been a prevailing negativity that has worsened lately. But I think relying on media as an indicator of public opinion would be a mistake. Social media, as popular as it is, still only really communicates a small fraction of the overall audience.”

In the past decade alone, gay marriage has become widely accepted across the country, a black man became president and then a former reality TV show with zero political experience replaced that black man. If these things can happen, might it be possible that boxing can transcend its niche status? Does such a thing defy imagination? Fight fans ought to start questioning the source. Just as Barack Obama is not a Muslim, Al Haymon is not the wicked Haman. He’s just a highly successful businessman that keeps a low profile.

“Boxing on network TV is what a lot of us who came up in the 80s have hoped for,” John Scully says. “Now we get that back and still people complain. You read some of what the media writes today and you begin to wonder if they even like boxing. There really isn’t any other way to describe it than to say, it’s just crazy.”


FAR FROM PERFECT

Some of the justifiable criticisms of PBC, such as the matchmaking and fighter inactivity, can be applied to their competitors as well. The best fighting the best is a step in the right direction, but is it enough to restore boxing to its once hallowed place? The corrective needed is deeper than this, otherwise Kovalev-Ward (for supposed pound for pound supremacy) would’ve done a million buys instead of the reported 160,000. If the man on the street doesn’t know who they are, it won’t matter.

Russell Peltz has been a fixture on the East Coast boxing scene for 47 years. Peltz has promoted shows with Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Matthew Saad Muhammad and Bennie Briscoe among others, and is synonymous with the Philadelphia boxing scene.

“PBC needs real promoters,” he explains. “Not these guys who come in and set up the hotel rooms and airport transportation. They need to start building up fighters in their hometowns, like Ray Mancini in Youngstown, Ohio. Vinny Pazienza in Providence, Rhode Island. Arturo Gatti in Atlantic City, New Jersey. You’re never going to develop a fan base if you let promoters use casinos with no connection to the fighters on the card because it’s just easier to do that.”

This might explain the lacklustre attendance at certain PBC events and suggestions of their papering arenas. Peltz, however, believes the problem extends beyond this.

“They’re making it difficult for a lot of promoters to be successful because they’ve overpaid fighters,” he exclaims. “I’m not talking about top fighters; they’re overpaid as it is. I’m talking about the opponents they were bringing in. It may not have been intentional, but they’ve made it impossible to compete.”

Promoter Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing says that while PBC has artificially inflated market prices, he’s seen a recent drop in purses that indicates they may be changing course. But the sport’s disorganised structure is still a hindrance to all parties involved.

“Right now, boxing is a bunch of different promoters promoting events, all individual and fragmented,” DeGuardia states. “We need to operate as an industry, with some collective interests that we can recognise and have somebody speak on that. We need an industry spokesperson.”

Haymon, boxing’s answer to J.D. Salinger, isn’t that guy. Nevertheless, PBC is in a position to bring different factions together. Haymon does co-broke; naysayers say he only sacrifices his pawns but with PBC’s Danny Jacobs vs. Gennady Golovkin, he shows a willingness to risk a rook.

Gone are the days when Americans were glued to their TVs to see the pro debut of a Ray Leonard. Boxing hasn’t cultivated new fans since Iron Mike popularised black shoes with no socks.

“The PBC came along, with apparently bottomless pockets, and gatecrashed a scene full of established players,” says Matt Christie, editor of Boxing News.

In trying to explain the excessive critique PBC receives from some of the US boxing media’s most well-known names, Christie says it speaks to our psychology.

“There was almost a sense that [Haymon] was showing off,” he says. “That kind of thing rubs people up the wrong way, including certain members of the media who have their own loyalties. And let’s face it, it’s human nature to want to see show offs fail.”


LONG READ Is Premier Boxing Champions doomed? - Boxing News





Great article.....and I agree with everything said.


Look man... Free, unfree... who giving the good fights?
 

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PBC is.

No other company is producing good fights like they are

Even Fat Dan shytting on HBO :mjlol:

What's the next HBO card?? Lemeuix v Stevens?? That's a Spike TV level card on HBO :hhh:

N then the only HBO fights worth a damn coming up are on PPV N carried by the Haymon B side :smugjccjr:
 

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PBC is.

No other company is producing good fights like they are


That's all that matters to me. You got bruhs legit stanning promotion companies and shyt. What part of the game is that? :dahell:

I just want to turn on my TV, rather it's HBO, CBS, NBC, ESPN, or fukkin BET, and see some good fisticuffs.
 

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That's all that matters to me. You got bruhs legit stanning promotion companies and shyt. What part of the game is that? :dahell:

I just want to turn on my TV, rather it's HBO, CBS, NBC, ESPN, or fukkin BET, and see some good fisticuffs.

Me too breh.

I've watched fukking UniMas, to CBS Sports Network, to HBO Latino, to BounceTV for good fights.

I don't care what company, just put on a good matchup.
 

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IBF: Errol Spence Will Get Title Shot - With or Without Kell Brook

By Steve Kim

The purse bid for the IBF welterweight title fight between world champion Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KOs) and top rated challenger Errol Spence (21-0, 18 KOs) was scheduled for Tuesday, but a seven day extension has been granted by the organization to allow promoters Eddie Hearn [for Brook] and Tom Brown [for Spence] the opportunity to make a deal on their own.

This much is clear: for Brook to keep his title he must face Spence next, regardless. The sanctioning body will not approve any exceptions or even a unification.

"(Brook) has to fight Spence, he can't ask for an exception or a unification,'' explained Lindsey Tucker, the Championship Chairman of the IBF, to BoxingScene.com. "Once we call for the purse bid then he can't do anything else. He can give up the title but he can't ask for an exception to fight anybody other than Spence."

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Spence will get his long awaited title shot in his upcoming fight - with or without Brook. If Brook decides to vacate to purse another another path for his career, the sanctioning body will go down the rankings and select the highest available challenger. That initially would have been Jeff Horn, but the Australian Olympian is now heading to a world title shot against WBO champion Manny Pacquiao in April.

"If Brook for whatever reason decided to vacate the title, Spence would fight the next available highest contender," confirmed Tucker. "[Horn is] not available as far as we know, that fight [with Pacquiao is] pretty much a done deal."

So with that said, Spence would then be paired with former welterweight champion Andre Berto, who is rated number three by the IBF. Berto has been out of the ring since last April's TKO win over Victor Ortiz in their rematch.

@LeVraiPapi :shaq:

- See more at: IBF: Errol Spence Will Get Title Shot - With or Without Kell Brook - Boxing News
 

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Foreman, who said over the years that Trump “would always take my calls,” also weighed in on why the real estate mogul won last year’s race for the White House. It was a big shock to many when Trump defeated heavily favored Hillary Clinton in the Presidential race.

“Sometimes people win just because they’re winners,” Foreman said. “Some people lose just because they never thought they really would win, and they lose. Winning is an idea, once you get in it, you can’t lose.”



- See more at: George Foreman Says Trump Won Because He's a Winner - Boxing News



:mjpls:


Not shocking. He was sooooo :mjpls: anytime he commentated that this aint shockinh
 

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shots fired at mikey Garcia basically:ohhh:


“I don’t want one in particular, but the guys with the titles know who they are,” Easter said. “Mikey Garcia has a title. Linares has a title. And Flanagan has a title. Those are the only guys on my hit list. I believe in myself. I believe nobody in this weight class can beat me.”


Exactly...talk to em E Bunny:birdman:
 
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