you thought Jr won that fight? If so then I need to rewatch again and score the rounds
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you thought Jr won that fight? If so then I need to rewatch again and score the rounds
reservoirdogs
Superstar
*answers the phone, since I'm the only one who had this convo recently*
Nobody ever said this though
The convo went:
*checks phone*
You still there Res?
Canelo still has yet to convincingly/clearly beat a prime B fighter in his division. He has controversial Ws over both Trout & Lara at 154 and still has yet to face a legit Middleweight. The only A fighter he ever faced, it wasn't even a competitive fight. That's why he's not considered an elite fighter just yet
He's on the border of being an elite fighter, but he has to get a true career defining performance where he stamps himself as ELITE.....bc his career defining win to this date is the fight vs Lara. Was that an example of an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?
As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do. You can dismiss the opponents, cool, but like I told Reflex, when Canelo faces these same MWs, then he has to dominate them as well since they are nothing but bums
He struggled with Jacobs and got his 1st controversial W....but he's also KOd every other B fighter he's faced. That counts for something, no matter what yall want to say. Also, no one can play consistency cops with me either, because I've argued this SAME thought process when it comes to Deontay Wilder vs people who downplay his resume as well.
Alright breh, gotta run.......Mrs. Newzz is coming
I'm trying to write my thesis here, man, let me a little time to respond
I doN't want to copy-paste these quote marks all over right now so I put it in this form:
"Canelo still has yet to convincingly/clearly beat a prime B fighter in his division. He has controversial Ws over both Trout & Lara at 154 and still has yet to face a legit Middleweight. The only A fighter he ever faced, it wasn't even a competitive fight. That's why he's not considered an elite fighter just yet"
We didn't talk about being an elite middleweight hence we talked about Lara and Trout and etc... You said you don't consider him elite cause he won disputably against Lara and Trout.
Mayweather fight doesn't count for me cause
1: Canelo was 22 (against Trout also...)
2 and this is the more important: Mayweather was the best fighter of his generation who humiliated established elite fighters with shutout decisions, not only Canelo. Hell, Pac barely did any better than Canelo against him and Pac is a certified ATG...
"He's on the border of being an elite fighter, but he has to get a true career defining performance where he stamps himself as ELITE.....bc his career defining win to this date is the fight vs Lara. Was that an example of an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?"
Based on the same logic GGG is also on the border of being elite since he jut fought his career defining fight (I mean so far this was the defining one) and he won controversially. On last Saturday, was THAT an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?
"As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do. You can dismiss the opponents, cool, but like I told Reflex, when Canelo faces these same MWs, then he has to dominate them as well since they are nothing but bums
He struggled with Jacobs and got his 1st controversial W....but he's also KOd every other B fighter he's faced. That counts for something, no matter what yall want to say. Also, no one can play consistency cops with me either, because I've argued this SAME thought process when it comes to Deontay Wilder vs people who downplay his resume as well.
"Canelo also done beat those B level fighters clearly... I don't really see the big difference between Golovkin's out of Jacobs competition and Canelo's out of Trout, Lara, Mayweather, Cotto competition...
Both beat B level guys otherwise with some
matchups sprinkeld in. Canelo had his Khans and Kirklands but so did GGG his Brooks and Wades. 
As far as I'm concerned when Golovkin stepped up last Saturday on a level which can be comparable to Canelo's best opponents (except May) he won just as disputably (in the general public's opinion) as Canelo did against Lara which means not a huge outrage cause not bad robberies but still many people thought, the other fighter deserved the nod. So now I'm leaning toward that either both of them are elite or none of them. But to think it further, if we would call both of them elite would that mean Lara and Jacobs are elite as well?
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
I like how you just bunch all the bums who little g dominated into the category of "B" fighters. as if they're all in the same league as lara. the fact is, Danny Jacobs is the first fighter little g has faced who you could say is equal to lara. and he looked garbage. WAY worse than canelo did vs lara. that's not even a debate. danny controlled the tempo of the fight the whole way....he moved wherever he wanted. he boxed when he wanted. he landed on little g when he wanted. we all know danny is the first real top fighter little g ever fought and he looked basic as fukk. that's the bottomline. save that "B b but golovkin dominated all these B fighters" argument for the casuals. this is the ring. ain't no casuals in here.*answers the phone, since I'm the only one who had this convo recently*
Nobody ever said this though
The convo went:
*checks phone*
You still there Res?
Canelo still has yet to convincingly/clearly beat a prime B fighter in his division. He has controversial Ws over both Trout & Lara at 154 and still has yet to face a legit Middleweight. The only A fighter he ever faced, it wasn't even a competitive fight. That's why he's not considered an elite fighter just yet
He's on the border of being an elite fighter, but he has to get a true career defining performance where he stamps himself as ELITE.....bc his career defining win to this date is the fight vs Lara. Was that an example of an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?
As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do. You can dismiss the opponents, cool, but like I told Reflex, when Canelo faces these same MWs, then he has to dominate them as well since they are nothing but bums
He struggled with Jacobs and got his 1st controversial W....but he's also KOd every other B fighter he's faced. That counts for something, no matter what yall want to say. Also, no one can play consistency cops with me either, because I've argued this SAME thought process when it comes to Deontay Wilder vs people who downplay his resume as well.
Alright breh, gotta run.......Mrs. Newzz is coming
"yea this is the same guy. the opposition is just getting better"
that's a direct quote from super Mario yesterday. even little g's team admits dude is looking basic cause they stepped up the competition. danny is the definition of "B" fighter. the rest of little g's resume is all C level guys with no head movement and horrible boxing skills.
still can't believe you really tried to lump all them dudes on little g's resume as "B" level.
.....take your little g cape off breh.
SuikodenII
Where's Suikoden VI??????
Canelo's win over Cotto was better than anything GGG has produced thus far...*answers the phone, since I'm the only one who had this convo recently*
Nobody ever said this though
The convo went:
*checks phone*
You still there Res?
Canelo still has yet to convincingly/clearly beat a prime B fighter in his division. He has controversial Ws over both Trout & Lara at 154 and still has yet to face a legit Middleweight. The only A fighter he ever faced, it wasn't even a competitive fight. That's why he's not considered an elite fighter just yet
He's on the border of being an elite fighter, but he has to get a true career defining performance where he stamps himself as ELITE.....bc his career defining win to this date is the fight vs Lara. Was that an example of an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?
As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do. You can dismiss the opponents, cool, but like I told Reflex, when Canelo faces these same MWs, then he has to dominate them as well since they are nothing but bums
He struggled with Jacobs and got his 1st controversial W....but he's also KOd every other B fighter he's faced. That counts for something, no matter what yall want to say. Also, no one can play consistency cops with me either, because I've argued this SAME thought process when it comes to Deontay Wilder vs people who downplay his resume as well.
Alright breh, gotta run.......Mrs. Newzz is coming
SuikodenII
Where's Suikoden VI??????
Absolutely do, compubox is as shytty as the amateur scoring system...
With that said, that fight was a tale of 2 halves. First half was Zbik controlled while the 2nd was Jr dominated. A close fight, but a good decision. Robbery is Whitaker-Chavez Sr., this was not on that level in the slightest.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
Jessie fukking Vargas
reservoirdogs
Superstar
would be a good fight for both
Both are past their prime although Cotto is more past imo... but Cotto is also a bigger guy so...
Creflo ½ Dollar
Superstar
Nawl beating an older, non-motivated , just picking up check Cotto shouldn't hold much weight. Just like Cotto beating a old, one legged, looking to cashout Sergio doesn't hold any weight.
I'm trying to write my thesis here, man, let me a little time to respond
I doN't want to copy-paste these quote marks all over right now so I put it in this form:
"Canelo still has yet to convincingly/clearly beat a prime B fighter in his division. He has controversial Ws over both Trout & Lara at 154 and still has yet to face a legit Middleweight. The only A fighter he ever faced, it wasn't even a competitive fight. That's why he's not considered an elite fighter just yet"
We didn't talk about being an elite middleweight hence we talked about Lara and Trout and etc...
Firstly breh, we weren't talking about any division....your initial response was to someone else who said Canelo was like AB. I picked out your sentence calling Canelo elite and asked you to explain how he's elite.
But, just to be on the same page, you can be elite in 1 division and not elite in another. Just because you're an elite Junior Middleweight doesn't mean you will be an elite Middleweight and vice versa.
Right, controversial Ws over 2 prime B fighters....the only prime, B class opponents he faced at JMW & neither were a dominant performance worthy of an elite tier status if we being honest.
Mayweather fight doesn't count for me cause
1: Canelo was 22 (against Trout also...)
2 and this is the more important: Mayweather was the best fighter of his generation who humiliated established elite fighters with shutout decisions, not only Canelo. Hell, Pac barely did any better than Canelo against him and Pac is a certified ATG...
What's the name of the elite fighter that Floyd shut out breh?
Then you go to Pacquiao and go "
" about Pac's performance, which you admit was better, but then immediately electic slide over to using Canelo's age as a crutch, but not using the same "age excuse" for Pacquiao who was 36 and out of his prime when he faced Floyd?
Why...
that's not consistent at all breh:khanhuh:
#ConsistencyCops
"He's on the border of being an elite fighter, but he has to get a true career defining performance where he stamps himself as ELITE.....bc his career defining win to this date is the fight vs Lara. Was that an example of an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?"
Based on the same logic GGG is also on the border of being elite since he jut fought his career defining fight (I mean so far this was the defining one) and he won controversially. On last Saturday, was THAT an Elite fighter exhibiting his craft?
Again:
"As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do."
"As for GGG, he's already clearly destroyed B fighters for a long period of time, which is what elite fighters do. You can dismiss the opponents, cool, but like I told Reflex, when Canelo faces these same MWs, then he has to dominate them as well since they are nothing but bums
He struggled with Jacobs and got his 1st controversial W....but he's also KOd every other B fighter he's faced. That counts for something, no matter what yall want to say. Also, no one can play consistency cops with me either, because I've argued this SAME thought process when it comes to Deontay Wilder vs people who downplay his resume as well.
Canelo also done beat those B level fighters clearly... I don't really see the big difference between Golovkin's out of Jacobs competition and Canelo's out of Trout, Lara, Mayweather, Cotto competition...
Canelo didn't beat Lara or Trout clearly and Cotto was washed up.
The last 3 opponents that Canelo beat "clearly" in his class were Liam Smith, James Kirkland, and Alfredo Angulo....that's the same as Golovkin KOing Lemiuex, Stevens, Murray, Rubio, Macklin, Geale to you?
Not to me.
Canelo's wins were equal to GGG KOing Wade, Adama, and Simon.....C level comp.
Both beat B level guys otherwise with some
As far as I'm concerned when Golovkin stepped up last Saturday on a level which can be comparable to Canelo's best opponents (except May) he won just as disputably (in the general public's opinion) as Canelo did against Lara which means not a huge outrage cause not bad robberies but still many people thought, the other fighter deserved the nod. So now I'm leaning toward that either both of them are elite or none of them. But to think it further, if we would call both of them elite would that mean Lara and Jacobs are elite as well?
Lara has draws with Vanes Martirosyan and Carlos Molina on his ledger.....and his best win is over Austin Trout. How's he even on Jacobs level when Jacobs only loss came to Pirog (who's also better than anyone Lara beat) and HIS best win is a 1st rd domination of an undefeated Peter Quillin
Jacobs doesn't have any draws with fighters like Molina and Martirosyan, then a struggle W in a rematch with Martirosyan.
And by the way........Dominic Wade was a mandatory defense while Canelo choose Kirkland to fight on 2 different occasions. Also, yall believe Kell Brook > Amir Khan and that Brook KOs Khan if they ever face off, so again....it seems GGG has the better opps. And what did he do with these respective opponents? He stopped Brook in 5 (Khan went longer vs Canelo) and he stopped Wade in 2 rounds (Kirkland went longer vs Canelo).
Just facts breh
Categorize them then:
Tell me what level fighters they are....give me rankings for Canelo's last 10 opps and GGG's last 10 opps
And don't act like you don't have the time, bc you do.....I'll happily wait here for you to provide the info:
I don't hold Lara in the same esteem you do
You said this yesterday, but I disagree with you.
Don't make me create a separate post to breakdown Canelo vs Lara.............because THEN you'd really be mad.
Again, I had to give EVERY SINGLE CLOSE ROUND OF CANELO VS LARA TO CANELO AND STILL COULD ONLY GIVE CANELO A 7-5 WIN.
I said this back when that fight happened. Canelo didn't WIN that fight....Lara LOST it. It's totally different, bc I didn't give GGG every close round the other night, I scored the fight down the line fairly. Against Lara, I did not. I gave every toss up round to Canelo.
Yes it is. There's a few casuals in here or at least not TRUE hardcore followers of the sport.
"yea this is the same guy. the opposition is just getting better"
that's a direct quote from super Mario yesterday. even little g's team admits dude is looking basic cause they stepped up the competition. danny is the definition of "B" fighter. the rest of little g's resume is all C level guys with no head movement and horrible boxing skills.
still can't believe you really tried to lump all them dudes on little g's resume as "B" level.
You sound just as delusional as you did stanning Matthysse.....and what happened?
Who was right?
History is gonna repeat itself and you're gonna be like "Canelo who?" all over again like you do with Matthysse instead of STANDING by the words you've posted
I can see it now. Canelo loses and then reflex goes and:
himself again to pretend he doesn't know what's going on
"Matthysse who?
""Canelo who?
"Not this time though breh.............you are GOING to stand by your words. No more running from your own overboard stanning
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
lol. all these class fighters are an opinion. imo
no way I will ever see wade as a c fighter. dude is a d fighter with a shytty resume.
no way I will ever see wade as a c fighter. dude is a d fighter with a shytty resume.
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
I don't gotta anything. I'll just use your own words to end this. this is a post you made after little g's 31st professional fight.
so we know for a fact after 31 fights, you believed little g's entire resume was filled with average fighters(at best!).....but now you say "golovkin has destroyed B level fighters for a LONG time".....smh. then you gonna try to tell somebody else to be consistent.....after you made this comment little g went on to fight Murray, lemieux, Monroe, wade, brook, and jacobs. now tell us who are all these B level fighters he destroyed for this "long" period?.....we're not including brook cause he wasn't a middleweight. lemieux certainty isn't B level. wade is D level. Monroe is C level. I have a feeling you're gonna try to tell us Martin murray is B level. the same Martin murray who lost to the corpse of Sergio martinez....nope. C level. you also might try to tell us Monroe is B level, but nah....the rosado fight proved he's nothing but a club fighter. besides, golovkin didn't "destroy" Monroe anyway.
so up to 31 pro fights, you agreed that little g had fought nothing but bums. we have your own words to prove that. and from his last 6 opponents we know for a fact the only true B level guy he's fought is danny jacobs. and you felt danny Jacobs beat him. we have your own scorecard to prove that.
now let's go over this once again. you don't consider canelo elite because he had a close fight with B level lara(a fight you had canelo winning). you do consider little g to be elite even though he had a close fight with the only B level fighter on his resume in danny jacobs (a fight you had little g losing).....so in your logic....
canelo closley beating a b level fighter= not elite
little g closely losing to a B level fighter= very elite
:CaneLMAO:
ima just finish this post with your own words once again
:CaneloUMAD:
:CaneLMFAO:
get out your feelings over andrade and stop taking the funk. them ssshookboys don't love you. :FloydLOL:
There werent any "threats" at 160 BEFORE GGG became "mainstream" besides JCC Jr/Sergio Martinez before the knee injury/Peter Quillin, so for the media to act as if he's dominating anything more at best than average fighters at this point, but to boost him up as if he IS on Carlos Monzon/Marvin Hagler's level is
so we know for a fact after 31 fights, you believed little g's entire resume was filled with average fighters(at best!).....but now you say "golovkin has destroyed B level fighters for a LONG time".....smh. then you gonna try to tell somebody else to be consistent
.....after you made this comment little g went on to fight Murray, lemieux, Monroe, wade, brook, and jacobs. now tell us who are all these B level fighters he destroyed for this "long" period?.....we're not including brook cause he wasn't a middleweight. lemieux certainty isn't B level. wade is D level. Monroe is C level. I have a feeling you're gonna try to tell us Martin murray is B level. the same Martin murray who lost to the corpse of Sergio martinez....nope. C level. you also might try to tell us Monroe is B level, but nah....the rosado fight proved he's nothing but a club fighter. besides, golovkin didn't "destroy" Monroe anyway.so up to 31 pro fights, you agreed that little g had fought nothing but bums. we have your own words to prove that. and from his last 6 opponents we know for a fact the only true B level guy he's fought is danny jacobs. and you felt danny Jacobs beat him. we have your own scorecard to prove that.
now let's go over this once again. you don't consider canelo elite because he had a close fight with B level lara(a fight you had canelo winning). you do consider little g to be elite even though he had a close fight with the only B level fighter on his resume in danny jacobs (a fight you had little g losing).....so in your logic....
canelo closley beating a b level fighter= not elite
little g closely losing to a B level fighter= very elite
:CaneLMAO:
ima just finish this post with your own words once again
:CaneloUMAD:
:CaneLMFAO:
get out your feelings over andrade and stop taking the funk. them ssshookboys don't love you. :FloydLOL:
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Those are damn good suggestions breh
You doing gods work breh :smugjccjr:
That's to you breh....I disagree.
Cotto was washed and still has not shown himself to be a good JMW, unless you think beating Delvin Rodriguez makes him legit at 154
