I think Sergio Martinez would have destroyed GGG. He would have toyed with him. GGG is lucky Martinez got the knee injury when he did. No way would he have beaten Maravilla.
Bread’s Response: Sergio Martinez is a great fighter and I really respect him. But the truth is he avoided GGG. HBO was about to force Martinez to fight him but he lost to Cotto. The GGG avoidance started in Martinez’s reign my friend. Martinez was the lineal champion at middleweight from 2010-14. He didn’t give GGG a shot.
There is a reason why GGG targeted Martinez’s opponents and destroyed them more comprehensive than Martinez did. I am a Martinez fan and I think he is HOF caliber but I wouldn’t have picked him to beat GGG even before the Chavez fight and knee injury.
Martinez fought with his hands down and he didn’t defend his body well. He also could be knocked down and despite fast hands and good reflexes his defense was leaky. GGG would not have a height or size disadvantage vs the southpaw Martinez. Did you see the tough fights Barker and Macklin gave Martinez? I think he would have had his moments but at no time would I have picked him over GGG.
Hey Bread –
Wanted to get your opinion on a few things from the GGG-Jacobs fight.
1) What judges in their right mind gave Jacobs the 12th? Apparently two of them did, but that to me seemed like one of the easiest rounds in the fight to score.
2) I think a lot of the people saying Jacobs won are falling victim to the “the underdog did better than expected so he must’ve won” trap. Jacobs fought well, but he didn’t win the fight. Even Leaderman – who I think was super generous to Jacobs in giving him all the extremely close rounds (particularly 1 and 2 where almost nothing happened) – had GGG winning.
3) I’ve saved the biggest issue for last – the weight issue. First, let me say that Jacobs was 100% within the rules and his rights to skip the morning after weigh-in and weigh 180+ on fight night. That being said, the number one negotiation point for a rematch should be a morning after weigh-in that doesn’t allow either fighter to weigh over 170 (give or take a couple pounds). It’s really an issue with the sport as a whole – I think they sport could do a lot to have a second day weigh in where the fighters need to be within a certain percentage of the weigh-in weight. It’s should probably be a sliding scale – e.g. 5% for the lower weight classes, maybe 7-10% for higher weight classes (obviously this doesn’t apply to heavy’s). I just have a major problem with a guy fighting for the middleweight title when he was effectively a cruiserweight on fight night. A 10lb weight advantage defeats the whole purpose of weight classes. What do you think?
Josh
Bread’s Response: The 12th round is the only round I had time to score after re watching the fight. HBO commentators gave GGG the round before the round was complete. Jacobs came on at the end. But I do agree with you that GGG won the 12th.
I didn’t score the fight. But naked eye I can see a case if you gave one of the fighters all of the swing rounds where each guy could have won 7 rounds. Consensus is they won 6 rounds apiece.
GGG’s team won’t be so prideful next time. Competition can be a humbling pill. They didn’t even ask for a rematch clause. Next time they won’t be so generous at the negotiating table. And yes I think weight will factor in.
As for the rules I agree with you again. 10lbs across the board with the IBF has good intentions because they are trying to level the playing field. But a % is more accurate because gaining 10lbs for a lightheavyweight is the same as gaining 10lbs for a flyweight. It’s a different % of total body weight. Good pick up. I’ve always thought that. I say 10% of the weigh in limit is better and not so early in the morning. Sometime in the mid afternoon.
Hey Bread,
I appreciate reading your analysis of our great sport each week.
What's your take on Roman Gonzalez defeat? I think he landed the more significant shots most rounds and won the fight.
Bravo to Daniel Jacobs for putting up a great effort vs GGG but he fell a little short. Worst case, 6 rds apiece and the knock down being the difference. I scored it 7-5 GGG.
Of course, now everyone with a twitter has to yell about GGG being "not that great" and my favorite stupid term "exposed". How about Jacobs is a world class, borderline elite (p4p) boxer and Golovkin IS elite and that's what it takes to beat a guy like Daniel.
Calm down everyone. It was a close fight between two high level guys.
Lets applaud them!
Dan Grabowski (CT)
Bread’s Response: If you discredit GGG then you take away from the great performance by Danny Jacobs. It’s not fair to Jacobs. People love to coorect on negativity. If GGG was exposed by Jacobs imagine what they would have said if they saw an undersized and older Emille Griffith go the distance with a top 5 ever middleweight in Carlos Monzon. You know that happened right?
Hi Bread,
I thought GGG won. But I think the gap between what we were used to see and this performance is the reason why so many people start talking about him being exposed or hyped. I think Jacobs had the right game plan and was great but still lost a close decision. I don't see the controversy. What's your take?
Also it seems to me that GGG had a problem with the movement. I don't think Canelo would be able to move like this. He would fight and probably lose even though he's a very good fighter.
Last thing, and I need you on this one cause everyone is so focused on the controversy and GGG's power (or now lack of power) but can we talk about Triple G's chin? Ok we read he had a good chin but it's almost insane now. He took flush punches from Stevens or Lemieux and didn't even stopped or seemed to be bothered. He tucked his chin and took it. But sometimes it was counter punches and he wasn't in the best position but still took it well. And for Jacobs, who is a huge puncher and was around 180 on fight night, no one says anything about the fact that GGG took all of Jacobs punches without caring. He even dropped his guard at some point. He walked through them. I think we should mention that instead of only talking about Jacobs ability to survive. He seemed tired in the end and his face was swelling. Gennady had less bruises than against brook.
I can now see a brilliant young boxer with great legs beating GGG with the perfect game plan, but this fight made it clear to me that it's gonna be hard to KO him before he retires. This is scary. I don't see anyone between JMW and SMW able to stop him.
And I don't think anyone can win a dog fight with him right now.
I'd love to have your opinion about that.
Thanks!
Diego
Bread’s Response: I’ve always said Canelo is not over his head vs GGG. But Canelo avoided the fight. He probably won’t anymore. He’s in the fight. It’s 55/45 in GGGs favor in my opinion. Canelo does not have Jacobs, height , reach or faster feet. So while you can take some things from the fight, Canelo is not a carbon copy of Jacobs.
GGG could have the best chin in boxing. But a chin can be damaged in one instance. You have to be careful about praising a chin. I’ve seen rock solid chins get clipped. Roberto Duran vs Tommy Hearns and Gene Fullmer vs Ray Robinson. But Duran and Fullmer kept their rock chins. Then I have seen a guy like Merqui Sosa get voted as the best chin taker in boxing. And a prime Roy Jones lit him up and he lost his chin. So be careful with the no one can stop GGG stuff. If you can go to sleep at night, you can be knocked out. Anybody can go if hit right.
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