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You love putting words in my mouth & twisting what I'm saying. If you can't answer the questions I posed about why Thurman won then there's no need to continue bruh.

You said Thurman won by at least 3 rounds, which is literally impossible, so that means you mean he won by at least 4 rounds......but, again, the receipts show you saying otherwise:jbhmm:


Close but clear win for Thurman by 2/3 rounds



So, you saying 1 thing today.....but another then?:jbhmm:



Close win huh?:sas1:


But you're claiming TODAY it WASNT close huh?:sas1:




Which one is it? Close :hula: not close? :mjlol:





And then....with it being literally impossible to say he won by 3 rounds, it had to be 2 rounds from the receipts, which is EXACTLY the score the judges gave it across the board of 115-113.:sas2:



Throw in the towel already bruh, this is nothing but light sparring for me:hubie:



I also said Commey/Easter wasn't a great example; what more do you want? You like beating a dead horse? Fact is that wasn't a real knockdown but you HAVE to factor that in your scorecards.

YOU brought up that fight, to throw shade on me, but you failed breh...now you don't wanna talk about it no more:ld: Maybe you could've just stayed on topic and I wouldn't have had to break down your card:ld:




Now you're using me saying I "might" have to jump on his bandwagon as "proof" when I always maintained he had to prove himself versus a top fighter. You're funny. If anything that shows I have no bias when it comes to Spence. I like him because he reminds me of my favorite fighter Terry Norris.


You said because Im on the Spence wagon that doesn't mean you're required to be....but I never asked you too:manny: I was just pointing out the irony that you've already peeked through the blinds and seen what we are doing over her in #TruthSeekers, and you liked it so much, you were considering joining the team:sas2:


How is someone fully convinced when they're a slight favorite? That's making shyt up bruh. A slight favorite is almost even yet in he book of @Newzz it's fully convinced :russ: You're receipts got bounced like a bad check bruh. I'm done going back & forth because this is going nowhere. Like I've been saying, Spence is elite now & I look forward to him & Thurman getting in the ring to see who's better.



There's no post that exists of you saying that Spence has a chance to win though:jbhmm:



I posted every post of yours in that thread prior to the fight, and every post was the same: "blah, blah, blah, spence isn't ready for brook:shaq:" "blah, blah, blah, spence doesn't move his head:shaq:", "blah, blah, blah, spence's chin:shaq:",. etc. Now afterwards it's: "I just had Brook a slight favorite:mjcry:":comeon:


How about you show a post where you said that Brook was only a slight favorite over Spence? Or show a post you made saying that Spence had a chance of beating Brook?:usure:



You cant...............just like Brook couldn't handle #TheTruth like we told you:umad:




We can end it here though breh, bc at this point, Im winning clearly by at least 4 rounds:youngsabo:



#TruthSeekers
 
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Most of the time they're not bad. But this one looks fukked up cause little g is a goofy lookin muthafukker. Can't put him next to guy with movie star looks like Canelo. shyt came out lookin like


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Little g's big faced ass fukkin up the promo already
No homo :hhh:
 

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:mjcry: :mjcry: Class of 2017: Johnny Tapia - The Ring

Class of 2017: Johnny Tapia
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Photo credit: Chris Cozzone
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by Don Stradley
A BEAUTIFUL FIGHTER
“I’d soak up all the love of the crowd, my arms raised in the ring, and then I’d go home and crash deep into darkness, a darkness I can barely describe. Pain and emptiness and depression. And that’s when the call of the addiction would come right back on me.”

– from “Mi Vida Loca, The Crazy Life of Johnny Tapia”

When it comes to the bittersweet, few things can match a posthumous induction at the International Boxing Hall of Fame. We wish Arturo Gatti could’ve been there for his induction. He would’ve had fun teasing the critics who didn’t think he belonged there. And Hector Camacho would’ve had a great time; he’d have chosen something special to wear, maybe a gladiator’s helmet.

Continuing in this vein, the fighter we’d most like to see on the podium is the late, great Johnny Tapia. He’ll be enshrined this June as part of the 2017 class. Tapia would be modest. He’d be gracious. He’d be moved, because Johnny Tapia loved boxing as few others do.

We can easily imagine him taking part in the Sunday morning motorcade. He’d sit humbly with his wife and his three sons, waving to the crowd of well-wishers lined up along the sidewalk. He’d have a funny look on his face, as if to say, “I’m just a little guy from Albuquerque. What’s all the fuss about?” But he’d love seeing the other fighters, and he’d say it was an honor to be in their presence. He’d love seeing Marco Antonio Barrera, also part of the 2017 class. They fought each other on HBO in 2002, Barrera winning on points. It was Tapia’s last high-profile fight and his biggest payday. Tapia wasn’t expected to win, but he made Barrera work for the entire 12 rounds. His gallant performance inspired George Foreman to say from his commentator’s perch, “If I got 10 dollars, my last 10 dollars, to spend on a boxing match, the last boxing match I see before I’m called up yonder, I’ll spend it on Johnny Tapia.”

We wish we could interview Tapia one more time. He hid nothing. He talked candidly about everything in his life, going back to when he was a little boy and witnessing his mother, Virginia, being tied to the back of a truck and taken to her murder. He’d tell you all about that nightmare and how he never really woke up from it. That he compiled a ring record of 59-5-2 (30 knockouts) and won five titles (and was 17-1-1 with a title on the line) becomes doubly impressive when you realize he spent his entire career suffering from drug addiction and a bottomless pit of depression.

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With one last interview, what would we ask? We’d ask him about the fights. We’d ask about the one with Danny Romero, which was one of the hottest tickets of 1997. Tapia was awesome that night, boxing and clowning and sticking his jab in Romero’s face, winning on points against a younger, quicker guy. Tapia was what the old-timers would’ve called “a beautiful fighter.” Along with knowing every trick in the manual, including the dirty ones, he had a classy style; he used smart footwork, lots of head feints, an excellent command of the basics, a strong jab, a sneaky right hand, and a left hook to the body that could shake the walls of the arena. You could picture Tapia going 20 rounds with Abe Attell or Pancho Villa, the great little men of a century ago, or you could imagine him now, toe-to-toe with “Chocolatito” Gonzales. Tapia would’ve held his own in any era.

Even in his later years, when he was pudgy and covered with enough tattoos to make him look like an old-time carnival attraction, Tapia was still something beautiful to watch. Nearly a decade after fighting Barrera, he earned a decision over Mauricio Pastrana, who wasn’t an easy night for anybody. A year later, Tapia would be dead at 45, his heart giving out like an engine with too many hard miles on it.

Will we ever stop missing Johnny Tapia? Probably not.

He’d started out like a flash fire, going undefeated in his first 22 pro bouts. A failed a drug test in 1990 sent him into a sort of self-imposed exile that lasted more than three years. Suspended from boxing, he made money by taking on all comers in a local bar for $300 dollars a night and a pack of beer. We’d love to interview him about those lost years and ask about those bar brawls. There’s so much we want to know. And though we wish we could focus solely on the fights, we always return to Virginia Tapia Gallegos and how her death impacted her son’s life.

For instance, was it his mother’s death that cleared the path for Tapia’s boxing career? He hadn’t appeared to be a fighter in the making; he was a self-confessed mama’s boy, slightly spoiled. When Virginia was murdered, Tapia was essentially an orphan – his father, though he resurfaced much later in Tapia’s life, was thought to be dead – so he was raised by his maternal grandparents. Tapia’s grandfather Miguel had been a boxer and was soon teaching Tapia to keep his hands up and his chin down. Tapia’s older cousins would force him into fighting bigger kids in the street and bet on the outcome. Tapia would later say, “I was raised as a pit bull.”

It’s hard to imagine Tapia’s mother letting her precious boy fight in the street like a dog. We’d love to ask him, “Hey, Johnny, what if your mother wouldn’t let you box? Would you have done it anyway?” Granted, with a grandfather who boxed, Tapia would’ve eventually discovered the manly art. But would it become his life’s blood? Would he put so much of his soul into it? His mother’s murder was obviously at the root of his personal problems, but was it also the key to his boxing career?

“Four times they wanted to pull life support. And many more times I came close to dying. But I have lived and had it all. I have been wealthy and lost it all. I have been famous and infamous. Five times I was world champion. You tell me. Am I lucky or unlucky?”

– Johnny Tapia

Examine a fighter’s past and you’ll almost always find some kind of sadness. Tapia’s wife, Teresa, made a telling comment in an interview with BoxingBar.com a year after her husband’s death.

“He would tell me that he believed all fighters are passionate about (boxing) and they fight with all their heart because they’re missing something.” She added, “Johnny felt that boxing was like a little clique that none of us could understand.”

If boxing is, as Tapia suggested, an island of misfit toys, he served for a while as its king.

“When he was in training camp, he was as clean as can be,” said Freddie Roach, one of many trainers to work with Tapia. “I never saw him give in to any temptations, though I know he had his demons and they got the best of him. But he was a great fighter, without a doubt. When I had a chance to work with Johnny, I jumped at it because I knew he was a hard worker, and I love hard workers.”

Champion of the world? Tapia wanted to be the champion of heaven and hell, and all things in between. He was undefeated in 48 bouts when he defended his WBA bantamweight belt against Paulie Ayala. The contest was chosen as THE RING’s 1999 Fight of the Year, but Tapia lost on points. A rematch with Ayala appeared to go Tapia’s way, but the judges again scored in favor of Ayala.

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“He took those losses hard,” Roach told THE RING. “They were close fights, but Johnny thought he’d won. He loved to win. The word ‘loss’ wasn’t in his vocabulary. Sometimes his personal life got more attention than what he did in boxing, which is unfair; I had him for seven or eight fights, and I know how dedicated he was to boxing.”

Tapia was also a great community man. He often made himself available to kids, warning them to avoid the mistakes he’d made. Prior to a bout with Jorge Eliecer Julio, he joined forces with the Albuquerque Metro Crime Stoppers to help create a “Guns for Tickets” program. Tapia won the WBO bantamweight title that night, but seemed just as pleased that 57 guns had been turned in. On another occasion, Tapia saw an old man being mugged; he ran in to help, slugging the robbers until they saw stars.

But even at the best of times, Tapia’s “vida” remained “loca.” There were ongoing drug problems, overdoses, encounters with the police, suicide attempts, prison time and mental breakdowns. Doctors declared Tapia dead on five occasions. Yet no one ever recalls Tapia being mean or hostile. His interior battles were his own; he kept them separate from the boxing world that he adored.

“He was great,” said Roach. “I had a lot of fun with him. My favorite Johnny Tapia story was when I was talking to him between rounds of a fight. I can’t recall the opponent, but Johnny was getting away from the game plan. He wasn’t listening to me, so I slapped him in the face to get his attention. Then he listened to me, and won the fight. When it was over, I went to shake his hand. He wouldn’t do it. I said, ‘What’s wrong? You won’t shake my hand?’ Then he slapped me. He said, ‘Now we’re even.’ He was a real character.”

Near the end of his life, Tapia was working with young fighters. He seemed happy. Had he finally knocked the demons back? We’ll never be certain.

As for Tapia’s legacy, he was one of the great fighters of the 1990s. He was Albuquerque’s hero. Out of the ring? Read “Mi Vida Loca, The Crazy Life of Johnny Tapia.” It’s as good a memoir as you’ll ever read from a fighter.

“Four times they wanted to pull life support,” Tapia wrote of his many brushes with death. “And many more times I came close to dying. But I have lived and had it all. I have been wealthy and lost it all. I have been famous and infamous. Five times I was world champion. You tell me. Am I lucky or unlucky?”

He’d probably say something similar in Canastota, New York, this June. We wish he could be there. We can almost hear his acceptance speech. He’d say something about his mother; he’d thank Teresa for her patience; he’d praise boxing.

We’d love to have a word with him when it was over. We’d ask, “Hey Johnny, what was your greatest night in the ring? What does all this mean to you?”

Then again, maybe we’d just back off and leave him alone, let him be with his family. Maybe we’d just congratulate him. We’d say, “You deserve to be inducted.” And we’d say thanks for the memories, Johnny.

You were a beautiful fighter.
 

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There's two right WBA and IBF? Need the IBF in play someone tell Lipinets to beat it
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Most of the time they're not bad. But this one looks fukked up cause little g is a goofy lookin muthafukker. Can't put him next to guy with movie star looks like Canelo. shyt came out lookin like


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Little g's big faced ass fukkin up the promo already

:heh::dead:
 

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There's two right WBA and IBF? Need the IBF in play someone tell Lipinets to beat it
:camby:

yeah WBA and IBF are in the property of the Blue Machine right now
agree Lipinets needs to wait. I understand how frustrating this could be for a mando challenger but he also has to understand that he needs to wait like 3-4 months ore for the greater good of the sport. :sitdown: He's 28 years old, he's just in time even with that plus few months
 

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Mexican bantamweight contender Luis Nery (23-0, 17 KOs) will get his mandatory world title shot against Japan's long-reigning titleholder Shinsuke Yamanaka (27-0-2, 19 KOs) on Aug. 15 (beIN Sports Espanol, same-day tape delay) in Tokyo, Nery promoter Zanfer Promotions announced on Monday. On March 2, Yamanaka, 34, retained his 118-pound title for the 12th time via seventh-round knockout of Mexico's Carlos Carlson. A week later, on March 11, Nery, 22, knocked out Jesus Martinez in the fourth round of a title elimination bout to earn the title shot in what will be a battle of southpaws. If Yamanaka retains the title for a 13th time he will be tie the Japanese record for world title defenses set by Hall of Fame former junior flyweight titleholder Yoko Gushiken. Nery will be fighting outside of Mexico for the first time.
 

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You said Thurman won by at least 3 rounds, which is literally impossible, so that means you mean he won by at least 4 rounds......but, again, the receipts show you saying otherwise:jbhmm:






So, you saying 1 thing today.....but another then?:jbhmm:



Close win huh?:sas1:


But you're claiming TODAY it WASNT close huh?:sas1:




Which one is it? Close :hula: not close? :mjlol:





And then....with it being literally impossible to say he won by 3 rounds, it had to be 2 rounds from the receipts, which is EXACTLY the score the judges gave it across the board of 115-113.:sas2:



Throw in the towel already bruh, this is nothing but light sparring for me:hubie:





YOU brought up that fight, to throw shade on me, but you failed breh...now you don't wanna talk about it no more:ld: Maybe you could've just stayed on topic and I wouldn't have had to break down your card:ld:







You said because Im on the Spence wagon that doesn't mean you're required to be....but I never asked you too:manny: I was just pointing out the irony that you've already peeked through the blinds and seen what we are doing over her in #TruthSeekers, and you liked it so much, you were considering joining the team:sas2:






There's no post that exists of you saying that Spence has a chance to win though:jbhmm:



I posted every post of yours in that thread prior to the fight, and every post was the same: "blah, blah, blah, spence isn't ready for brook:shaq:" "blah, blah, blah, spence doesn't move his head:shaq:", "blah, blah, blah, spence's chin:shaq:",. etc. Now afterwards it's: "I just had Brook a slight favorite:mjcry:":comeon:


How about you show a post where you said that Brook was only a slight favorite over Spence? Or show a post you made saying that Spence had a chance of beating Brook?:usure:



You cant...............just like Brook couldn't handle #TheTruth like we told you:umad:




We can end it here though breh, bc at this point, Im winning clearly by at least 4 rounds:youngsabo:



#TruthSeekers

This is my last time responding to you on this. You talk in circles & it's pointless. This is "light sparring"? nikka I'm going off my memory & I've shot down almost everything you've said when you've pulled damn near my whole internet post history, posted pointless .gifs to try to make an invalid point...but it's just "light sparring". Yeah nikka okay :bryan:

For me I score fights only twice & because when it's live at times because I'm into the moment. I usually watch it a few days after again to really analyze what's going on. And you proved my point on Thurman/Porter. I said 2 or 3 rounds initially & on the second watch I had it a wider margin because of this which you ignore:

Who controlled fight? Who was the EFFECTIVE aggressor? Who landed the clean & effective blows? Who's defense was better? These are things most casuals don't look for & you know it.

That's why I had Thurman winning by a larger margin.


You even dapped this below :sas2: :mjlol:

I would give the 3 headed trinity monster Porter, Thurman, & Brook & slight edge over Spence at the moment. Only because of the experience factor & them having dealt with adversity more than Spence right now. We've seen how all 3 reacted in adverse situations but the jury is still out on Spence. But I still say he's a problem in the division though.

Mr. Oochie Wally or One Mic? Nope I've made my points loud & clear. You've tried to muddy the points & take some of my comments out of context to fit your argument. You can have the last word though my nikka because I'm done breaking you down like Spence did to Bundu :troll:
 

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this is an excellent point...i gotta rep..you had the likes of Joe Frazier got a gift majority draw against a complete bum which he should have lost to..but his final fight had a better outcome than lets say Ali or Norton..Jerry Quarry was struggling with bums..if you ever read the story on his last professional victory in 83 you'd be like damn..shavers chin and stamina issues really got bad in the 80s

Yup.That entire class of 70's Heavys were completely wiped out and out of the picture by about '82...from Ali, Frazier on down...and comeback Foreman wanted no parts of those 80's contenders and cherrypicked his way to a title shot...he coulda easily became a mandatory to one of Tyson's titles alot earlier if he had've fought one of the top contenders of the era.

Meanwhile in the 90's, you had Heavys from both the 70's & 80's still lingering around as champs and viable top contenders as late as the mid-90's.
 
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