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[reservoirdogs]

Chris Arreola is clearly better than anyone Joshua has faced....unless you gonna tell me Charlie Mack, The Wave Gawd, was better



And then the bolded, you say that as if it's an issue.....like The Bronze Bomber doesn't want no drama when he was literally already in Russia, only a few days away from facing Povetkin on HIS home turf, before Povetkin tested dirty.

Not to take away anything from Wilder I never shared the opinion that he will vacate instead of facing Povetkin BUT he actually had to face Povetkin too cause he was his mandatory.
You think Joshua wouldn't dare to face such opponents especially if they are mandos?

And that washed up version of Arreola was far from good. With the same effort you could count Guerrero as a good win on Danny Garcia's resume..
. If I already have to say a worthy Wilder opponent that would rather be Szpilka than Arreola. Szpilka actually fought pretty brave and well until he got ktfod.

Wilder is cool, exciting fighter imo with some major flaws but he certainly isn't thr one who should criticize other hw title holders for their resume

 

[Axum Ezana]

And now BJS is saying he would like to get his two mandatories out of the way because he needs the tuneups before taking on Canelo or GGG.
He just fought a hand picked opponent and landed 14% of his punches and said he had to come down from 210 lbs.
I wouldn't be surprised if this dude never fights Canelo or GGG.
We need some jobber to take the belt off of him.

we need to start an underground boxing sleeper cell club.

u get unknown guys like Julius(who koed troyanoski) so the duckers wont be scared to face them. then once they have won the belt they face the champ asap. similar to the david lemieux-ggg situation.

yall in?

 

[HeruDat1]

Putting a stack on Molina

 

[Newzz]

Not to take away anything from Wilder I never shared the opinion that he will vacate instead of facing Povetkin BUT he actually had to face Povetkin too cause he was his mandatory.
You think Joshua wouldn't dare to face such opponents especially if they are mandos?

Joshua had nothing to do with your post that I bolded, because you're portraying it as Wilder wouldn't dare to face such an opponent.....and he did.....in his opponent's backyard....and never complained once about it

Mando or not, and we seen people avoid their mandos for YEARS, he was still willing to go face Povetkin in his own backyard and never cried about it

And that washed up version of Arreola was far from good. With the same effort you could count Guerrero as a good win on Danny Garcia's resume..
.

Regardless of what you're saying here, Arreola was STILL better than both The Wave Gawd and Brehzeale

You're sidestepping that fact...but it doesn't work that easy breh, especially with me. Unless you want to say Chris Arreola was not better than Dominic Breazeale or Charles Martin, , then it stands that Stiverne & Arreola > anyone Joshua has faced

If I already have to say a worthy Wilder opponent that would rather be Szpilka than Arreola. Szpilka actually fought pretty brave and well until he got ktfod.

Wilder is cool, exciting fighter imo with some major flaws but he certainly isn't thr one who should criticize other hw title holders for their resume

Well then that would make 3 fighters Wilder's faced who's better than anyone Joshua has faced


And why cant he criticize Joshua, when Joshua is being touted MUCH more heavily than Wilder was/is....with not even a similar level resume, and Wilder was bashed in the USA for a resume identical to what Joshua has today? If Wilder's resume was Rigo vs Agbeko, than Joshua's is Rigo vs Francisco

 

[Newzz]

VIRGIL HUNTER SOUNDS OFF ON JIM LAMPLEY'S "IRRESPONSIBLE" COMMENTARY OF WARD'S WIN OVER KOVALEV; SAYS HE NEEDS TO CHECK HIMSELF
By Ben Thompson | December 05, 2016

BT: In a recent interview, while speaking about Dre's victory over Kovalev, Sergio Mora called out Jim Lampley for being too biased and opinionated in both his blow-by-blow announcing and his post-fight comments. I don't know if you had a chance to watch the rebroadcast of the fight yet, but do you think Sergio has a point? Do you feel like Jim Lampley's commentary has become too biased towards certain fighters?

VH: Well, you know, Ben, the reason why I did watch it [the rebroadcast] was because of what people were telling me about the broadcasting. It was interesting, disappointing, and enlightening all at the same time. I take a quote from an interview by Don Dunphy, considered the greatest announcer in boxing history. During most of his broadcasting era, people didn't have pay-per-view; it was radio. Years ago, someone asked him what made him such a great announcer. His answer was he never became a fan. He said he knew some boxers more than others, but when it came to the professionalism of calling a fight, he couldn't be biased; he couldn't favor one fighter. He said that's one thing he never allowed to happen because if you become a fan in that profession, then you're only looking at who you're a fan of. You're not going to give the other person the benefit of the doubt. He said it's the ultimate disrespect to the profession because you have to be able to see it both ways, and when you're a fan, it's impossible for you to see it both ways. I think that a lot of announcers who are fans should take heed to that and realize you have an obligation and a profession to report it right and get it right.

Now, I'll give you a great example. When Kovalev missed a right hand by a mile, in Lampley's opinion, it was a big right hand that shook Andre. When the broadcast team showed him that he actually missed it by a big margin, and in boxing, we're talking about a game of inches, right there, that should have let him know, "Maybe I'm not watching the fight the way I should be watching it. Maybe I'm not observing it the way I should be observing it." Because after all, you're sitting right there, but the judges are sitting right there also, so how can you go and ridicule and put down the judges when all of them get it identically right, but at the same time, you got the fight right in front of you and you miss a call that missed by a foot just about and in you're opinion, it turned into a right hand that shook him? That right there should say just commentate the fight. You shouldn't have any opinions on the fight, you should commentate the fight, because you're not going to get it right. After watching it and hearing it, it's a situation where careers can be damaged if you're not careful, and these kids have to go through enough without having this up against them. It's just really unfair and it's not being responsible. It's not being fair.

Even Larry Merchant, who was sitting 8 rows back, he came out of his lane and wanted to be a judge; he came out of his lane and wanted to say it was home cooking and things like that. Well we know Andre never got home cooking from nobody. We know his gold medal didn't turn into him being "All-American boy"; we know that, so that was irresponsible. But when you're enamored with the fighter and you're enamored with how this fighter might go about his craft and you start giving this fighter these tags, "the sinisiter smile," "the meanest man in boxing," you're only going to watch that guy. You're not going to watch the complete fight. You're only going to watch him. It's very irresponsible if you ask me.

BT: There were actually quite a few times during the broadcast when both Max and Roy corrected some of Jim's calls or pointed out punches that Dre was landing that he didn't call at all.

VH: Right. I'm disappointed. I'm not disappointed in Max Kellerman. I'm not disappointed in Roy. I'm just disappointed in how...if there is a school for judges, there's gotta be a school for everybody else involved in the sport. If you're going to comment on the sport, if you have a mic, if you have a position in this sport where you can make or break careers and it's based on your personal opinion, then that's very serious. It ought to be some sort of insurance, be it by re-educating, be it by test runs or anything to make sure that you don't make these mistakes and then try to sway the public. Lampley is a nice man, I do know him, so I didn't even want to get that deep with it even though I know exactly what you're talking about. I just think he owes it to the fighters, he owes it to the fans, he owes it to the network and himself to really get himself checked and be honest with himself; "Am I capable of doing this, and if I am, am I biased in the way I call fights." I think if he would allow somebody to sit down with him and pick out fights where, not just me, but other people have felt that he was biased, and not just this fight, but other fights, if he's honest with himself and if he's intending on continuing to grow in his profession, then he would take it upon himself to subject himself to that. But if he thinks he knows it all and his word is the rule, the golden rule, then get ready for some more of this!


VIRGIL HUNTER SOUNDS OFF ON JIM LAMPLEY'S "IRRESPONSIBLE" COMMENTARY OF WARD'S WIN OVER KOVALEV; SAYS HE NEEDS TO CHECK HIMSELF || FIGHTHYPE.COM



Whisper to em Virg!!!




#SOGGang

 

[HeruDat1]

Lampley : "AND HE'S (Kov) COMING NOW!!!!!!"

*Neither of the fighters are throwing anything*

 

[krackdagawd]

that hard right hand shyt was classic Lampley...... at this point we know what we getting w hbo

I'm at the nikkas in the truck who slo mo'd the shyt and nothing landed they prob tired of Lampley shyt too

 

[Axum Ezana]

lampley "bang bang bang" nikka don't be done hit nothing.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Joshua had nothing to do with your post that I bolded, because you're portraying it as Wilder wouldn't dare to face such an opponent.....and he did.....in his opponent's backyard....and never complained once about it

Mando or not, and we seen people avoid their mandos for YEARS, he was still willing to go face Povetkin in his own backyard and never cried about it


Regardless of what you're saying here, Arreola was STILL better than both The Wave Gawd and Brehzeale

You're sidestepping that fact...but it doesn't work that easy breh, especially with me. Unless you want to say Chris Arreola was not better than Dominic Breazeale or Charles Martin, , then it stands that Stiverne & Arreola > anyone Joshua has faced




Well then that would make 3 fighters Wilder's faced who's better than anyone Joshua has faced


And why cant he criticize Joshua, when Joshua is being touted MUCH more heavily than Wilder was/is....with not even a similar level resume, and Wilder was bashed in the USA for a resume identical to what Joshua has today? If Wilder's resume was Rigo vs Agbeko, than Joshua's is Rigo vs Francisco

I doN't sidestep any fact cause that's not a fact, man... I won't acknowledge that version of Arreola as a clearly better fighter than those. He has a bigger NAME cause his past but that's a whole another story... Based on the same logic you could easily call Guerrero a better fighter than x or y young up and coming fighter with a smaller name and then he still lost to a literal fukking taxi driver.
Arreola is THAT level shot imo so I can't acknowldge him as a clearly better fighter than Breazeale now. Arreola is at a point in his career when every living body from hw has at least a decent chance against him... He drew with Fred Kassi before the Wilder fight ffs...

I doN't even count Martin btw for the same reason I doN't really count Stiverne on Wilder's side. These were the fighter these wo HAD to beat to become champions how's that Joshua's fault that Martin got awarded with an IBF belt...? He should have just said "Nah let's wait until I can get that from somebody else, I don't want to be a mandatory challenger for his guy cause he's whack..."?
So naming Martin as some kind of a cherry pick and criticising Joshua about it is wrong...
It wasn't a great win but he had to beat this guy to get that belt.

Now Wilder criticizes Joshua's opponents who he defends his belt against but those are just two guys. One of them was also Wilder's former opponent and the other one is imo better than 3 out of 4 opponents Wilder defended his belt against cause yes he defended it 4 times while Joshua only 2 times.

The names were:

Eric Molina
Johann Duhaupas
Artur Szpilka
Chris Arreola

Joshua had 2 title defenses so far against:

Dominic Breazeale
Eric Molina

how much do you think Wilder's first 2 defenses were better? Molina and Duhaupas vs Breazeale and Molina... How much that should encourage Wilder to bash Joshua's opponents?

I doN't even want to enlarge Joshua's resume but if you really don't get why is it ironic for Wilder to criticise Joshua for his opponents then idk... we just gonna agree to disagree.

 

[aceboon]

And now BJS is saying he would like to get his two mandatories out of the way because he needs the tuneups before taking on Canelo or GGG.
He just fought a hand picked opponent and landed 14% of his punches and said he had to come down from 210 lbs.
I wouldn't be surprised if this dude never fights Canelo or GGG.
We need some jobber to take the belt off of him.

If he wants to enact his mandatory challengers then that means he should be fighting Khurtsidze next and Khurts is good enough to take that belt off of him imo.

 

[Newzz]

I doN't sidestep any fact cause that's not a fact, man... I won't acknowledge that version of Arreola as a clearly better fighter than those. He has a bigger NAME cause his past but that's a whole another story... Based on the same logic you could easily call Guerrero a better fighter than x or y young up and coming fighter with a smaller name and then he still lost to a literal fukking taxi driver.
Arreola is THAT level shot imo so I can't acknowldge him as a clearly better fighter than Breazeale now. Arreola is at a point in his career when every living body from hw has at least a decent chance against him... He drew with Fred Kassi before the Wilder fight ffs...

I doN't even count Martin btw for the same reason I doN't really count Stiverne on Wilder's side. These were the fighter these wo HAD to beat to become champions how's that Joshua's fault that Martin got awarded with an IBF belt...? He should have just said "Nah let's wait until I can get that from somebody else, I don't want to be a mandatory challenger for his guy cause he's whack..."?
So naming Martin as some kind of a cherry pick and criticising Joshua about it is wrong...
It wasn't a great win but he had to beat this guy to get that belt.

Now Wilder criticizes Joshua's opponents who he defends his belt against but those are just two guys. One of them was also Wilder's former opponent and the other one is imo better than 3 out of 4 opponents Wilder defended his belt against cause yes he defended it 4 times while Joshua only 2 times.

The names were:

Eric Molina
Johann Duhaupas
Artur Szpilka
Chris Arreola

Joshua had 2 title defenses so far against:

Dominic Breazeale
Eric Molina

how much do you think Wilder's first 2 defenses were better? Molina and Duhaupas vs Breazeale and Molina... How much that should encourage Wilder to bash Joshua's opponents?

I doN't even want to enlarge Joshua's resume but if you really don't get why is it ironic for Wilder to criticise Joshua for his opponents then idk... we just gonna agree to disagree.

Wilders resume > Joshua's.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I think he did "see" it because right before impact he blinked hard & looked like he tried to brace for it but like you said it kinda curved & he wasn't prepared for it. Kinda like misjudging a step because of depth perception issues & you trip, fall, or twist your ankle.

Damn you and @Yuzo hit it on the head +rep

 

[Black_Jesus]

Is he lying?


Wilder has Bermane Stiverne, Chris Arreola, and was about to have Povetkin's name on his resume as well.....all Joshua has Brehzeale and "The Wave God" on his.

who the fukk is that

 

[Axum Ezana]

who the fukk is that

go on Charles martin instagram and have ur self a ball. youll see.

 

[HeruDat1]

go on Charles martin instagram and have ur self a ball. youll see.