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[Axum Ezana]

#matthyssemafia .....(these nikkas still around) or should I jus tag Pat??



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NO SHOT :Smugswift:

but what would be a good tune up for him at 147?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I dont agree with that in the sense of that is assuming g a Canelo-JCC sells more than a GGG fight...if you think JCC then he should sell more. That is an argument for why a percentage is the most fair deal. Come up with a fair percentage split and fighters get what they earn by selling a popular event.

I actually think a Canelo-GGG fight is worth more than Canelo-JCC. I think vs. JCC probably doesn't do much more in Mexico than a GGG fight. They will already be tuning in to watch Canelo, so the same fans will be buying either way. GGG probably brings more money and popularity selling in the European market than JCC.

Either way, let the free market take care of itself. Settle on a split and go get that money. Both those fights are too big for a flat fee. Fans need to realize a flat fee benefits the person giving out the flat fee, not the recipient. Unless you are Andre Ward and get $5 million plus guaranteed to fight Kovalev on a fight that lost money.

Breh what do you think a ggg/Canelo PPV would do? And what do you think a canelo/jcc jr ppv would do?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

This is why I dont think that highly of Stevenson. As long as you have a decent chin and don't get bombed out by the first big punch, you literally have a shot to beat Stevenson.

His own chin and stamina are weak, he is aging, he has been inactive and when he fights it is against poor competition, and I feel like his power is mostly in his left hand, not his right, plus I think being a late comer to boxing his athleticism doesn't fully translate over to his footwork and he doesn't look real fluid.

Frankly I am ready for Stevenson to lose and won't be surprised if/when it happens against anybody.

Because so many people have beat Superman right? smh

 

[Black_Jesus]

Highlights from the Hopkins/Smith fight

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Because so many people have beat Superman right? smh

literally jus ktfo Top Dogg....who Slept Rodriguez


Adonis scary of power tho....he's a KO waiting to happen

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Delusional ass GGG Stans


Think Canelo & Jccjr share the same fan base brehs

Think GGG N Canelo don't brehs

That ignores the point of my opinion. Just saying that the Mexican TV situation for Canelo is better vs. GGG. If Canelo fights GGG it will do crazy numbers in Mexico and they are Canelo fans, not GGG fans, so Canelo can negotiate to keep all or most of that revenue.

Versus JCC it is a Mexican showdown, so they will both want that Mexican TV revenue and probably split it in some fashion. Also saying that a fight vs. JCC probably doesn't do much better than vs. GGG because literally everybody will already want to watch cause of Canelo...so just because JCC makes it a great Mexican fight, you can't add very many fans, since they are already showing up either way.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Breh what do you think a ggg/Canelo PPV would do? And what do you think a canelo/jcc jr ppv would do?

I don't know numbers wise what they would do, but gauging from the media, I gather they think Canelo-JCC will do 500k-750kand GGG-Canelo does 750k-1 milly.

Again, I don't really care about what does what. Both fights are big PPV's and the B-Side contributes directly to the PPV success, so they deserve a percentage split. See my post above where I think being an all Mexican fight probably hurts their revenue because they will probably split it. If either guy fought GGG they probably would keep the Mexican revenue and tell GGG to keep the Eastern European money.

Because so many people have beat Superman right? smh

Comes down to our own opinions of fighters. I know you think Stevenson can beat a lot of dudes, including even possibly favoring him vs. Kovalev.

I just don't see it. Stevenson is an extremely flawed and has fought generally mediocre competition and has struggled through it. He is a fighter I have no confidence in being the favorite vs. someone. Power is a hell of an equalizer though.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

That ignores the point of my opinion. Just saying that the Mexican TV situation for Canelo is better vs. GGG. If Canelo fights GGG it will do crazy numbers in Mexico and they are Canelo fans, not GGG fans, so Canelo can negotiate to keel all or most of that revenue.

Versus JCC it is a Mexican showdown, so they will both want that Mexican TV revenue and probably split it in some fashion. Also saying that a fight vs. JCC probably doesn't do much better than vs. GGG because literally everybody will already want to watch cause of Canelo...so just because JCC makes it a great Mexican fight, you can't add very any fans, since they are already showing up either way.

You don't understand Mexicans friend


To even think Canelo vs GGG does the same numbers or even close to Canelo vs Jccjr in Mexico


To think Jccjr vs Canelo does the same PPV numbers here as Canelo vs Khan


This muhfukker Chavez jr was doing GGG PPV numbers on a Friday night vs the Panera bread dishwasher

Damn near 400k on a PPV while head to head against a stacked Canelo card on free Cable

They Do Not share the same fan base... Otherwise Chavez jr wouldnt of been able to do that...

Jccjr vs Canelo is = to Floyd McGregor here... Mexico would be split....old school Mexicans going ride for that Chavez name

Chavez Jr vs Canelo would have Oscar N Chavez Sr running around...4 of the biggest Mexican Boxers in 30 years promoting the fight....Muhfukkers great Grandmas will be tuning in buying that shyt


Again to even think 97k would come close to that

 

[LeVraiPapi]

I don't know numbers wise what they would do, but gauging from the media, I gather they think Canelo-JCC will do 500k-750kand GGG-Canelo does 750k-1 milly.

Again, I don't really care about what does what. Both fights are big PPV's and the B-Side contributes directly to the PPV success, so they deserve a percentage split. See my post above where I think being an all Mexican fight probably hurts their revenue because they will probably split it. If either guy fought GGG they probably would keep the Mexican revenue and tell GGG to keep the Eastern European money.


Comes down to our own opinions of fighters. I know you think Stevenson can beat a lot of dudes, including even possibly favoring him vs. Kovalev.

I just don't see it. Stevenson is an extremely flawed and has fought generally mediocre competition and has struggled through it. He is a fighter I have no confidence in being the favorite vs. someone. Power is a hell of an equalizer though.

BREH, LEMME SAY THIS TO YOU AGAIN. NOBODY GIVES A fukk ABOUT A GGG or a 97g except you, Fat Dan, HBO and the Manny stan/Floyd haters diaspora refugee camp. Oscar knows this and Canelo knows this. GGG, himself, he knows it. That's why he showing at every event to get a shout and a drive thru slurping from Lampley on the mic. That's why he showed up to a Canelo event.

You can spin it all you want. It's the truth. GGG is a very skilled fighter. Like Arum says, you don't force superstars on people, then you look like a used car salesman. You let them develop. HBO and Loeffler did a horrible job developing him. From HBO hyping him and to the whole media giving him passes after passes and glory after glory just because he's white and can knock people out.

GGG has a growing fanbase. He's not Cotto or Canelo's level yet. It's like saying Jacobs is as big as GGG. Jacobs at least is taking risky fights and ko'd his biggest opp in a title fight. GGG has not caught the general public eye yet. GGG is not a bigger name than Chavez JR at all breh. Chavez did fukking well against aravilla. Canelo and Chavez have different Mexican fans and they do share some though, as you mention.

IMO, GGG should get more money than CHavez and like you said he brings an aura to the fight. He also brings that Europe money since he;s fighting Canelo, but that's just assumptions because I m not sure how many have stayed up to watch hi9m in the past.

GGG and Jacobs on PPV may flatline HBO for real if it doesn't do well. That's why it's taking so long for HBO to make it official and release statements. It's so much to calculate and play around with so they don't lose too much like in the Lemieux fight. Now, after talking to my dude, I can say @Newzz was right. Jacobs doesn't deserve a milli for the fight, but neither does GGG deserve the 5 mil he asking for.


As far as STevenson, I hate his c00n ass, but the guy has some serious power. He's a type of fighter that's not to be assessed based on last fight. He comes in looking different almost every time and he lands the same punch. You think his opponents don't know he's gonna throw the left? I don't like Stevenson at all, but he's just an awkward fighter.

 

[Axum Ezana]

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I don't know numbers wise what they would do, but gauging from the media, I gather they think Canelo-JCC will do 500k-750kand GGG-Canelo does 750k-1 milly.

Again, I don't really care about what does what. Both fights are big PPV's and the B-Side contributes directly to the PPV success, so they deserve a percentage split. See my post above where I think being an all Mexican fight probably hurts their revenue because they will probably split it. If either guy fought GGG they probably would keep the Mexican revenue and tell GGG to keep the Eastern European money.


Comes down to our own opinions of fighters. I know you think Stevenson can beat a lot of dudes, including even possibly favoring him vs. Kovalev.

I just don't see it. Stevenson is an extremely flawed and has fought generally mediocre competition and has struggled through it. He is a fighter I have no confidence in being the favorite vs. someone. Power is a hell of an equalizer though.

Adonis has one punch KO power which nobody else does, and just took flush shots from Top Dogg in the process of knocking him TF out. Ward's defense is good, but good enough that he can take away Adonis's left? IDK I don't think Kkkov can, especially since he's dumping the trainer who taught him boxing and #BeterBeast has been too inactive too assess.

I can't on any planet see Canelo/GGG doing more than 500k. If Canelo did 300k or so with Khan, where does the extra 450-700k come from?
I could definitely see JCC Jr/GGG doing more...........but Canelo/Triple G is the better matchup.

I think it's funny brehs shyt on Adonis but big up triple G. But I'll just leave that there.

Hopefully these jokers can come to an agreement so we can get the fight before Triple G is too old, and JCC JR blows back up to 260.

 

[King P]

@Newzz since thurman-swift is not going to be in Vegas..whats alternate plan? Do we wait until another big fight is scheduled in Vegas? Or is a trip to the Big Apple for Thurman-Swift the wave?

I'm still wondering the same myself


I might just say fukk it and STILL do Thurman/Garcia bc it's gonna be a big event...but i dont trust NYC weather in early March & I'm not trying to walk around cold or with a big ass coat on

Come to NY brehs :winning:

March weather won't kill you:porter:

Especially you @Newzz you from the Midwest, it's much colder out there :onetimeorly:

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

BREH, LEMME SAY THIS TO YOU AGAIN. NOBODY GIVES A fukk ABOUT A GGG or a 97g except you, Fat Dan, HBO and the Manny stan/Floyd haters diaspora refugee camp. Oscar knows this and Canelo knows this. GGG, himself, he knows it. That's why he showing at every event to get a shout and a drive thru slurping from Lampley on the mic. That's why he showed up to a Canelo event.

You can spin it all you want. It's the truth. GGG is a very skilled fighter. Like Arum says, you don't force superstars on people, then you look like a used car salesman. You let them develop. HBO and Loeffler did a horrible job developing him. From HBO hyping him and to the whole media giving him passes after passes and glory after glory just because he's white and can knock people out.

GGG has a growing fanbase. He's not Cotto or Canelo's level yet. It's like saying Jacobs is as big as GGG. Jacobs at least is taking risky fights and ko'd his biggest opp in a title fight. GGG has not caught the general public eye yet. GGG is not a bigger name than Chavez JR at all breh. Chavez did fukking well against aravilla. Canelo and Chavez have different Mexican fans and they do share some though, as you mention.

IMO, GGG should get more money than CHavez and like you said he brings an aura to the fight. He also brings that Europe money since he;s fighting Canelo, but that's just assumptions because I m not sure how many have stayed up to watch hi9m in the past.

GGG and Jacobs on PPV may flatline HBO for real if it doesn't do well. That's why it's taking so long for HBO to make it official and release statements. It's so much to calculate and play around with so they don't lose too much like in the Lemieux fight. Now, after talking to my dude, I can say @Newzz was right. Jacobs doesn't deserve a milli for the fight, but neither does GGG deserve the 5 mil he asking for.


As far as STevenson, I hate his c00n ass, but the guy has some serious power. He's a type of fighter that's not to be assessed based on last fight. He comes in looking different almost every time and he lands the same punch. You think his opponents don't know he's gonna throw the left? I don't like Stevenson at all, but he's just an awkward fighter.

I agree with most of that. The thing is I think everyone thinks that I actually believe GGG is like the second most popular fighter or something. I try to make it clear constantly that I dont think that and try to be clear that to me GGG is def more popular than the standard HBO/Showtime/PBC guy, but not at the superstar level. As you said superstar talent, but not the superstar popularity.

Where I think GGG benefits is that if he fights Canelo that fight will be the biggest marketed fight in boxing IMO. Marketing by the fact I think networks and media have been almost intentionally killing active fights. The marketing for Kovalev-Ward was terrible and HBO and the media should take direct blame. I don't think that happens with GGG-Canelo. I think HBO and the media can't wait to promote that fight.

PPV numbers are crazy...not reliable on what will sell anymore, which is why I also try to say I don't know the numbers, I just say what the media believes it will sell. That is the best info I can go off of...better or worse. I wouldn't be surprised if GGG-Canelo did worse than what the media thinks it will, because PPV numbers in general suck right now. That still doesn't change that I think GGG-Canelo should be a split percentage. GGG as an opponent still directly contributes to Canelo's pocket. My thing is I like the idea of letting fighters earn what they are worth and an percentage based on success/failure does that. If the fight does poorly than GGG deserves less than the $15 million. If the fight does well, which is the current view by everyone in the business looking at the financials, then GGG shouldn't take less just because the flat fee is a big number. Where I don't have a problem is when the B-Side is literally just an opponent for the A-Side (Floyd Mayweather-Robert Guerrero).

And I will never disagree with people saying GGG-Jacob's shouldn't be on PPV. It shouldnt. I fully expect it to have numbers that reflects that. Honestly HBO should have bought the fight and paid GGG and Jacobs less than 5 million combined.

The Stevenson thing is a debate that could go on forever, because this board has a wide range of views on him. I don't want to take away what he has accomplished...but sometimes despite success there are fighters that don't inspire confidence or leave an overly good impression on you. A lot of people here feel that way about Danny Garcia despite his great resume...I just happen to feel that way about Stevenson.

 

[patscorpio]

at all these talks of a canelo-jr fight..that fight would be nothing but a cashout on jr's bum career on top of being a waste of time..jr hasn't ko'ed or dropped anyone since 2012 but he's going to bother canelo

 

[Mook]

exactly...can't be walking around faded in the cold ..either that or we hope one of them injures themselves and then they have to postpone....money is on keith making that happen ...

Let me room with one of yall in vegas.