Even if he did.......that was almost 7 years ago come this June
That's when you know people are desperate to push a matchup. When they bring up fights from 7 years ago in order to act as if that would have anything to do with today
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Even if he did.......that was almost 7 years ago come this June
That's when you know people are desperate to push a matchup. When they bring up fights from 7 years ago in order to act as if that would have anything to do with today
If a counter right is their gameplan to winning, Jacobs getting flatlined. Jacobs has quicker hands, but Triple G isn't packing glass, and DJ doesn't slip rifts that well.....That Jacobs insider...I know there is debate if he is legit or not......not posing like I am vouching, just saying he has given good info in the past, so take this for what it is and if someone in the know wants to validate or correct the info he is saying.
- Danny's left is slow and easy to telegraph, so they think his right hand is the key to the fight.
- They think a counter right is their winning punch.
- Initially wanted to gameplan for a 12 round decision, but now believe the fight gets finished inside 6.
- Don't think GGG can handle Jacob's counter right power.
- Don't think they can consistently back GGG up.
- Heard that Chocolatito wants $1.5 million to be on the PPV. Doesn't think he will settle for less than $1 million.
- Has worked with RJJ for a long time getting donations for Gerald McClellan.
- If you ever see Roy and want to chat it up with him, start by mentioning you want to or have donated money to the McClellan Foundation and he will be your best friend for a bit.
If you want inside info y'all know who to holla at, we all brehs here
does lara have a 154 mandatory? im still finding it hard to believe that yuri foreman, who hasn't beaten anyone of note at 154 in 7 years, is worthy of a title shot...that and the shannon briggs/fres oquendo WBA heavyweight title situation.....2 of the most confusing title situations in boxing todayEven if he did.......that was almost 7 years ago come this June
That's when you know people are desperate to push a matchup. When they bring up fights from 7 years ago in order to act as if that would have anything to do with today
I know Lara is boring af to watch and has been fighting bullshyt, and I took p*ssy over seeing him fight live 
but he still is no pushover......
but he still is no pushover......
I know Lara is boring af to watch and has been fighting bullshyt, and I took p*ssy over seeing him fight live
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I know Lara is boring af to watch and has been fighting bullshyt, and I took p*ssy over seeing him fight live
who would u pick? lara vs Andrade or jermall? could lara beat both?
i guess lomachenko doesnt want to run that back after all..it takes a big man to concede another fighter is superior to him
at this spin on the article surviving over 2 1/2 hours before anyone saying anything
"We spoke a lot about it, we discussed it, we had a lot of talks about it,'' said Gibbons. "But the more people you spoke to and the more people out there and the media, the public has spoken. What fight they want to to see? Salido-Vargas again. So that's kind of the way we're leaning now." - See more at: Salido Leans Away From Lomachenko, Moves in New Direction - Boxing News
Seems to me like Salido pulling a JMM and wanna run with the W instead of running it back
I knew he didn't wanna see the #PrettyBoys again
Arum accuses Salido of cold feet for Lomachenko rematch
Photo by: Mikey Williams/Top Rank
03
Jan
by Mitch Abramson
Those hoping for a sequel to Vasyl Lomachenko’s close loss to Orlando Salido in 2014 will have to wait after promoter Bob Arum accused Salido of getting cold feet for a rematch.
“Orlando Salido chickened out,” Arum told RingTV.com on Tuesday. “It’s the only way to say it. He asked for crazy money. We agreed to the crazy money. And then he says, ‘No.’ He’d just assume not take the fight. Why? Because he knows he can’t beat (Lomachenko). It was a fluke the first time. So, there’s no other way to paint it. Orlando Salido chickened out of the fight because whatever his demands were, we met those financial demands and then he let us know he’s not interested in the fight.”
Sean Gibbons, who manages Salido, laughed off Arum’s comments, saying the negotiations just fell apart and that no one got cold feet. “Using Orlando’s name and chicken in the same sentence — that’s ludicrous,” Gibbons said in a phone interview. “Olando has never chickened out of any fight. We had good talks with Bob. I thought we had come to some kind of an agreement. It just didn’t seem to work. Orlando Salido wants to give the fans the fights they want. And I don’t hear any fans clamoring for Salido-Lomachenko.”
Gibbons believes fans would rather see a rematch of the June 4 war involving 130-pound titleholder Francisco Vargas and Salido than against Lomachenko, who lost a split decision to an overweight Salido in a rough, physical affair. “Things didn’t work out,” Gibbons said. “Orlando voiced to me, ‘Hey, why do I want to fight a guy in Lomachenko who I know is going to run, grab and hold when I can go Mexican-to-Mexican with Francisco Vargas and give the people what they really want see. The only guys who want to see Lomachenko — are Lomachenko.”
Arum declined to get into specifics on Salido’s demands and Gibbons also declined to get into dollar amounts. As a result, Lomachenko (7-1, 5 knockouts) will look for another opponent for the first quarter of 2017 on HBO, which is considering dates in March or April for the gifted Ukrainian 130-pound titleholder. “Lomachenko will fight in March,” Arum said. “Carl (Moretti, VP of Top Rank) is looking for an opponent and we’re looking toward the end of March.”
Salido, for his part, is chasing the rematch with Vargas and won’t know his plans until after Jan. 28, when Vargas defends his junior lightweight title against Miguel Berchelt, according to Gibbons.
Arum accuses Salido of cold feet for Lomachenko rematch - The Ring
Looks like Salido's manager is once again admitting that they turned down the fight and don't wanna run it back...Juan Manuel Salido
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I think that was more due to styles. Ouma is durable as hell and a volume puncher. He rips away at close range. Guy took bombs from Jermaine Taylor and kept coming.If past it Ouma can back up GGG for a bit, than Jacobs could too, but well see.
Months ago I said that Jacobs best bet is to just jump on him early like he did Quillin and try to bang him outta there. He has the size and power to make that work. With that said, he should still train for a 12 round fight just in case that strategy doesn't work.
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He don't want it with pretty boy loma. He gets flashbacks of round 12 like
Arum accuses Salido of cold feet for Lomachenko rematch
Photo by: Mikey Williams/Top Rank
03
Jan
by Mitch Abramson
Those hoping for a sequel to Vasyl Lomachenko’s close loss to Orlando Salido in 2014 will have to wait after promoter Bob Arum accused Salido of getting cold feet for a rematch.
“Orlando Salido chickened out,” Arum told RingTV.com on Tuesday. “It’s the only way to say it. He asked for crazy money. We agreed to the crazy money. And then he says, ‘No.’ He’d just assume not take the fight. Why? Because he knows he can’t beat (Lomachenko). It was a fluke the first time. So, there’s no other way to paint it. Orlando Salido chickened out of the fight because whatever his demands were, we met those financial demands and then he let us know he’s not interested in the fight.”
Sean Gibbons, who manages Salido, laughed off Arum’s comments, saying the negotiations just fell apart and that no one got cold feet. “Using Orlando’s name and chicken in the same sentence — that’s ludicrous,” Gibbons said in a phone interview. “Olando has never chickened out of any fight. We had good talks with Bob. I thought we had come to some kind of an agreement. It just didn’t seem to work. Orlando Salido wants to give the fans the fights they want. And I don’t hear any fans clamoring for Salido-Lomachenko.”
Gibbons believes fans would rather see a rematch of the June 4 war involving 130-pound titleholder Francisco Vargas and Salido than against Lomachenko, who lost a split decision to an overweight Salido in a rough, physical affair. “Things didn’t work out,” Gibbons said. “Orlando voiced to me, ‘Hey, why do I want to fight a guy in Lomachenko who I know is going to run, grab and hold when I can go Mexican-to-Mexican with Francisco Vargas and give the people what they really want see. The only guys who want to see Lomachenko — are Lomachenko.”
Arum declined to get into specifics on Salido’s demands and Gibbons also declined to get into dollar amounts. As a result, Lomachenko (7-1, 5 knockouts) will look for another opponent for the first quarter of 2017 on HBO, which is considering dates in March or April for the gifted Ukrainian 130-pound titleholder. “Lomachenko will fight in March,” Arum said. “Carl (Moretti, VP of Top Rank) is looking for an opponent and we’re looking toward the end of March.”
Salido, for his part, is chasing the rematch with Vargas and won’t know his plans until after Jan. 28, when Vargas defends his junior lightweight title against Miguel Berchelt, according to Gibbons.
Arum accuses Salido of cold feet for Lomachenko rematch - The Ring
Looks like Salido's manager is once again admitting that they turned down the fight and don't wanna run it back...Juan Manuel Salido
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Muhammad Ali's Will Could Ignite Family Rift Over Shares
The division of Muhammad Ali's multi-million-dollar estate is expected to ignite World War III among his children, with the former champion boxer's wife set to inherit the lion's share of his fortune in his will.
The late boxing great, who died in June of last year aged 74, has left a larger slice of his estimated fortune of $100 million to his widow Lonnie than to his nine children, The Mirror reports.
His children, which include seven daughters and two sons, are expected to bank around $8 million each.
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Ali's only brother, Rahman, is said to receive nothing in retaliation for his public feud with the boxer's widow.
A lawyer for the Muhammad Ali Trust, which controls his estate, said the boxer's will was drawn up in such a way to "to reflect his specific wishes and to protect his legacy".
"Once the money is there, expect the biggest war yet," the newspaper quoted an unnamed insider has saying.
"They all play nice-nicey now, but simmering tension goes back decades. None of the kids trust Lonnie, all are from different mothers and hate each other. World War Three is threatened and true feelings are expected to come flooding, and a few truths be told."
The simmering bitterness between the siblings was on display at Ali’s funeral, with actor Will Smith and boxers Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson carrying the champ’s coffin rather than his sons.
- See more at: Muhammad Ali's Will Could Ignite Family Rift Over Shares - Boxing News
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I guess he's still with JDJKovalev's Coach on Rematch: We're Ready, Ball is in Ward's Court!
By Edward Chaykovsky
John David Jackson, trainer of Sergey Kovalev (30-1, 26 KOs), says his boxer is ready to fight Andre Ward (31-0, 15 KOs) in a rematch as soon as possible.
Last November at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Ward got off the floor in the second round to win a close twelve round unanimous decision over Kovalev to capture the WBA, WBO, IBF light heavyweight world titles. All three judges scored it 114-114.
There was an immediate rematch clause in place, with Kovalev exercising his right to a second fight. Kovalev's handlers would like the rematch to take place before the month of June.
There appear to be some financial beefs on the side of Ward, who appears to want more money for the second fight. He was guaranteed $5 million for the first contest and the pay-per-view was a bust with only 160,000 estimated buys - so it's going to be hard to secure more money or even the same guarantee as the first contest. That's a matter between Ward and his promoter, Roc Nation Sports.
The rematch clause precludes Ward from taking any other fighters.
"It’s up to Andre and what he wants to do. For the sake of boxing it would be great if the rematch happened immediately like it should. Will it happen? The ball is in Andre’s court, so it’s up to him at this point," Jackson told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.
Jackson is still confident that his boxer was robbed of a dominant decision win, but he doesn't blame Ward for the outcome.
"Boxing is boxing, it happens and you have to move on. I thought he won the fight 9-3 or 8-4 at the worst, for us. I thought Sergey won at least eight rounds, if not nine. It’s boxing. I can’t blame Ward, he’s a good fighter, all he did was fight, it was the judges that made the decision. It was a bad decision and hopefully the rematch will be honored and they will fight between April and no later than June," Jackson said.
- See more at: Kovalev's Coach on Rematch: We're Ready, Ball is in Ward's Court! - Boxing News
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10 of the best Bernard Hopkins moments
2016 closed with the end of Bernard Hopkins’ career. George Gigney looks over his finest moments
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Hopkins – as he so often did – upset the odds to win the middleweight tournament, stopping Trinidad in the final round of their unification fight.
- Beating Felix Trinidad (2001)
In an immediate rematch, Hopkins won the WBC light-heavyweight title from Pascal to become, at 46, the oldest world champion in history.
- Beating Jean Pascal (2011)
After consecutive losses to Jermain Taylor, Hopkins bounced back by dominating a younger Tarver, revitalising his career in the process.
- Beating Antonio Tarver (2006)
Hopkins’ profile soared after he destroyed pay-per-view star De La Hoya with a ruthless body shot. Later they became business partners.
- Beating Oscar De La Hoya (2004)
Immediately after his loss to Joe Calzaghe, Hopkins dismantled the unbeaten Pavlik to prove he was nowhere near washed up.
- Beating Kelly Pavlik (2008)
Following a five-year stretch in prison, Hopkins vowed to never again be behind bars, and committed to boxing.
- Leaving prison (1988)
Hopkins broke his own record as the oldest fighter to win a world title when he defeated heavy hitter Cloud at the age of 48.
- Beating Tavoris Cloud (2013)
In a surprisingly entertaining scrap, Hopkins outpointed Wright at light-heavyweight.
- Beating Winky Wright (2007)
After drawing in their first meeting, Hopkins stopped Mercado in the return to win the IBF middleweight title – his first belt. He held onto it for 10 years.
- Beating Segundo Mercado (1995)
Hopkins added the WBA light-heavyweight title to his IBF strap by outfoxing Shumenov and setting up a meeting with Sergey Kovalev.
- Beating Beibut Shumenov (2014)
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No one is enforcing the federal boxing laws
Sep 25, 2007
Thomas Hauser
Boxing is allowed to exist as an exception to state laws against violence on the premise that it will be regulated in a manner that protects the combatants physically and financially. In 1996, when it became clear that the individual states were not properly protecting boxers, Congress enacted the Professional Boxing Safety Act. Four years later, that law was augmented by the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act. These two pieces of legislation, taken together, are commonly referred to as the "Ali Act."
As well-intentioned as it might be, the Ali Act suffers from glaring flaws. First, it accepts the present form of piecemeal state regulation. Second, it has too many loopholes. And most significantly, no one is enforcing it. Many people in boxing today simply ignore the act's requirements. And virtually no one in a position of authority with regard to enforcement is doing anything to remedy the situation.
The Ali Act requires that each sanctioning organization file "a complete description of the organization's ratings criteria" annually with the Federal Trade Commission. In the alternative, a sanctioning body may post the information on its official Web site. The WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO all purport to do so. But their actual ratings practices mock the law. An incomplete or false filing falls short of compliance.
Boxing's rules are usually followed in the ring but not outside it.
The law mandates that, when promoting a fight, a promoter must file copies of all agreements to which the promoter and one or both of the boxers are parties with the supervising state athletic commission. It also requires that the promoter disclose to each boxer "the amounts of any compensation or consideration that a promoter has contracted to receive from such match." These requirements are largely ignored.
State athletic commission personnel also violate the act when it serves their purposes. In a section entitled "conflicts of interest," the law declares, "No member or employee of a boxing commission, no person who administers or enforces State boxing laws, and no member of the Association of Boxing Commissions may receive any compensation from any person who sanctions, arranges, or promotes professional boxing matches."
In Nevada, however, each of the state's five commissioners is given six tickets in addition to his own seat for every fight card held in the state. These tickets are provided by the promoter. Two of them must be ringside. The other four tickets may be anywhere in the arena that the promoter chooses. The purported goal of this rule is to eliminate the embarrassment and abuse that have come in the past from commissioners asking promoters for free tickets.
These tickets are no small matter. For the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather fight, six ringside tickets had a face value of $12,000 and were being resold on the Internet and elsewhere for multiples of that amount. Also, ringside tickets can be in the first row or the last. "Anywhere in the arena" can mean more ringside tickets or nose-bleed seats. That leaves a lot of room for favors.
In April, more than 300 ring physicians and other state athletic commission personnel attended the WBC's World Medical Congress in Cancun, Mexico. In addition to the medical agenda, those present enjoyed fine dining, cocktail parties, golf and other forms of entertainment. Who paid what for whom is an issue.
Some state athletic commissions take the position that referees, judges and ring doctors fall within the purview of the Ali Act. Others have a contrary view. However, everyone agrees that the executive director of a state athletic commission is covered by the law. Yet at the IBF's 2007 convention, which was held in Miami Beach, one executive director was paid by the IBF to conduct a seminar (in addition to his transportation, hotel and meals being covered).
The WBA's 2007 annual convention will be held in China in mid-October. The WBC will gather in Manila the following month. It would be nice to think that the "conflicts of interest" provision of the Ali Act will be adhered to there, but a blurring of the lines is likely to occur.
The Ali Act also requires that states honor medical suspensions imposed on a fighter by another state. That provision, too, is violated on a regular basis.
The abuses noted above are not a complete list of Ali Act violations. They are simply examples.
Primary responsibility for enforcing the Ali Act rests with the United States Department of Justice and its many U.S. Attorney's offices across the country.
Under the law, a sanctioning organization is not entitled to collect sanctioning fees if it fails to make complete and honest disclosure of its ratings criteria. That law is not being enforced by the federal government.
Under the law, a promoter who knowingly fails to make a required contract filing with a state athletic commission or fails to make required financial disclosure to a fighter is guilty of a crime punishable by up to one year in prison and a fine of $100,000. The Justice Department is responsible for these prosecutions. No such indictment has ever been brought.
Also, any member or employee of a boxing commission who knowingly violates the law by accepting compensation from a sanctioning body or promoter is guilty of a crime punishable by up to one year in prison and a fine of $20,000. Here again, there has been no enforcement.
One should also note that, according to the Internal Revenue Service, a commissioner who receives free tickets from a promoter and gives these tickets to family members or friends (or sells them), is required to pay personal income tax on the tickets. Lots of luck on that one.
A law doesn't mean anything if nobody enforces it. Here, the thoughts of Tim Lueckenhoff, president of the Association of Boxing Commissions, are instructive.
"I can't tell you how frustrated I am," Lueckenhoff told ESPN.com last week. "When the ABC was formed, we thought we were going to accomplish some important things, but we have no real power to deal with violations of the Ali Act. So we're in a situation now where we have this law. We're trying to uphold it. It's a federal law. And we're getting no help whatsoever from U.S. Attorneys around the country.
"There's no boxing commission in Wyoming. A promoter in Wyoming was promoting fights in clear violation of the Ali Act. We sent names and dates to the U.S. Attorney in Wyoming and never got a response. We complained to the U.S. Attorney's office in Alabama about a promoter who was running illegal toughman contests there. That U.S. Attorney told us he had our complaint but wasn't going to act on it. And these aren't isolated instances. I've made at least 10 referrals to U.S. Attorney's offices around the country and haven't found anyone who was willing to go to court to enforce the law."
"Federal law requires that states honor medical suspensions imposed on a fighter by another state," Lueckenhoff continued. "It's not hard to find out if a fighter is on medical suspension. It's right on the Internet. But last year alone, there were 24 violations by our own member commissions that I know of. And then you have a fighter like Lamon Brewster, who's on medical suspension. He goes over to Germany and fights for a world title, still on suspension, and HBO televises it. What kind of message does that send?"
"The law simply isn't being followed," Lueckenhoff said, in closing. "I wish the Justice Department would bring one action based on each section of the law that's being violated. Forbid one sanctioning body that's acting illegally from collecting a sanctioning fee. Shut down one promoter who's promoting illegal fights. Step in just once to punish the people responsible for knowingly allowing a fighter who's on medical suspension to fight. If that happened, people would start toeing the line. Things would change real fast. But the federal government has made it clear to us again and again that it simply isn't interested in enforcing federal law as it relates to boxing."
Thus, the question: What's the point of having a law if nobody enforces it?
Thomas Hauser's most recent collection of boxing columns -- "The Greatest Sport of All" -- has been published by the University of Arkansas Press. He can be reached by e-mail at thauser@rcn.com