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Agreed

Broner looked fine

I really think people expect Broner to go in there and bulldoze these guys.

Broner has talent, he passes the "eye test" and looks the part, and he's very popular, therefore as a result, he has unrealistic expectation by the fans.

Broner is a solid "B" fighter. He should stay away from top tier WW's.

I have already gave the blueprint for AB. Hire a Nutrionist, S&C, and grind to 140. Target the easiest title holder. Win the title, & take that shyt back to Ohio. Only fight home games the rest of your career against beatable guys and mandatories. Only pursue a big fight if you have a stylistic advantage, are the "A" side, and able to secure every advantage in your favor.

If he's able to get a Pac fight, it's a win/win situation or him despite being the B side. Once he loses, he can still implement the blueprint I laid out for him.
Wondering what are some of your standards if what Broner showed Saturday you call "fine" :gucci:
You can argue that he won rightfully but looking impressive/fine? :why:
 

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Hunter Says Canelo is Doing Golovkin Dirty With Flat Fee Offer - Boxing News

Hunter Says Canelo is Doing Golovkin Dirty With Flat Fee Offer

By Miguel Rivera

Virgil Hunter, who trains Andre Ward, Amir Khan, Andre Berto and several other boxers, has continued his criticism of Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (48-1-1, 34 KOs).

Hunter worked the corner for Khan when he faced Canelo last May at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. After Khan was knocked out in the sixth round and the fight was over, Hunter dared Canelo to fight middleweight king Gennady Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs).

Obviously the fight never took place, with Canelo moving down to junior middleweight to capture the WBO world title with a knockout of Liam Smith last September.

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Both fighters are set for big HBO Pay-Per-View encounters in the coming months, with Canelo facing Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. on May 6th at the T-Mobile, and Golovkin making a mandatory defense against Daniel Jacobs at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

The big issue in finalizing Canelo-Golovkin for this coming September is the money. Canelo has offered Golovkin a flat fee - while Golovkin wants a reasonable percentage of the revenue. Golovkin reportedly rejected as much as $10 to 15 million.

Hunter agrees with Golovkin's position. He feels Golovkin is a big enough draw, and a big enough name, to receive a percentage.

Several years ago, Manny Pacquiao rejected a flat fee of $40 million to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. At that time, Pacquiao had never made that type of payday for a single fight. Pacquiao stood his ground, and in 2015 - when they finally fought - he walked away with well over $100 million based on a 60-40 percentage split.

Hunter believes Canelo and his team are killing time while waiting for the near 35-year-old fighter to get old.

"I just heard today [Canelo made an offer to Golovkin]... $15 million, you take it or leave it. I think even that is unfair, because you wouldn't make what you're going to make without [Golovkin's] popularity. If he wasn't who he was, you wouldn't be making what you're making. It's a leverage thing right now. It's pretty simple, they are just waiting until he gets old or hope that somebody knocks him off or

- See more at: Hunter Says Canelo is Doing Golovkin Dirty With Flat Fee Offer - Boxing News

smh....

Golovkin won't ever make that money without Canelo but Canelo can earn big money without Golovkin too. How a fighter not named Mayweather, Pacquiao or Canelo comes to refuse 15 millions flat fee and fukking around with wanting a PPV cut.
You can criticize Canelo for a few things but this is here Golovkin being a lil too greedy.
How you play the "I fight everyone, everywhere but opponents avoid me" guy for years and then when somebody finally would give you the money of your life what you cn't even possibly make elsewhere, you start to play the slick businessman, refusing 15 million, wanting PPV cuts and shyt. Golovkin is a popular fighter, no doubt, but I think he overvalues himself here as a draw...

GGG necessarily deserves PPV cut? For what exactly? Cause youtube users in comment sections typing in all caps, shake their fists at Canelo for not fighting him yet? For the amount of burritos sold on GGG's fights? Because he had one PPV which did 97k buys? :jbhmm:


Does anyone know whether Chavez will get a PPV cut or just a flat fee and how much the pursues on Canelo vs Chavez will be? It will probably do more buys than a hypothetical Golovkin vs Canelo fight at this point as fukked up as it is but that's the case imo... :yeshrug: Has he even got a ppv cut (Chavez)?

I just don't know when the Golovkin hype got so big that now even offering him 15 fukking million dollars counts as some pettiness or cheekiness from Canelo? How can be this guy possibly victimized by the media and fans even for getting a 15 million offer? Should I really feel sorry for him for only getting a career high 15 millions and not a PPV cut? Should I think they lowball him with the amount of money he never ever made and never will against another opponent? Hell, aide of Pac, Canelo and possibly a few fighters (who are active now) in the FUTURE nobody will earn that big money on a fight.
I missed the point when Golovkin became an international superstar who must have PPV cut next to 15 fukking millions.
 
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Wondering what are some of your standards if what Broner showed Saturday you call "fine" :gucci:
You can argue that he won rightfully but looking impressive/fine? :why:

I don't have these ridiculous standards people have for him. I accept him for who he is. A guy like Grenado is going to be a tough fight for him. The problem is y'all look at Broner for more than he is.
 

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@reservoirdogs

Chavez is getting a % and not a flat fee. I read that somewhere.

I don't disagree about ggg should take the $15 mill, but i can't say he is "wrong" for asking for a % instead of a flat fee either.

"The last word was a $7 million guaranteed purse plus a percentage of the PPV revenue. Chavez Jr. complained that Canelo’s purse will be five times higher than his. That could be $35 million. "

I saw that online but im not sure if that's gospel :yeshrug:
 

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I got few questions, what y'all think about these:

Does boxing have a momentum right now compared to the last 5 years or no? It seems like the first half of this year is/will be especially good and good matchups being made more often than in the past years.

What do you think is the worthiest title of all if there's any? I think if there's any it's either the IBF because of its consistency or the WBC because of their historical place ad because they started to pull major moves like the VADA agreement and the rumors about they unify their title with the WBA.

What do you think is the best division now? 130, 147, 154 and 175 imo as far as the number of talent goes, I don't know the order between them. 126 ain't that far behind either. But I don't really follow under 122 so... as far as how much the elite fights each other cruiser is one of the bests too.

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and all of the posters who I forgot now but are active in here

compared to the opening years of the last 5, 2017 got off to surprisingly great start..as i've mentioned before there have been some wars out there man..4 of them FOTY quality..certainly has some momentum for the rest of the year that if continues could equal or surpass 2013...all the major belts (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO) have their flaws..some more than others..from following their own policies, nepotism, suspect rankings, multiple champs in 1 division, eyesore champions..they are all equal in flaw..the best divisions in boxing in terms of competitiveness, talent, and quality of fights it is still 130 and cruiserweight to me
 

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I don't have these ridiculous standards people have for him. I accept him for who he is. A guy like Grenado is going to be a tough fight for him. The problem is y'all look at Broner for more than he is.

Yep.

The Broner haters love pushing the "next Mayweather" thing, and holding on to it, but that died almost 4 years ago in December 2013.

He's just a good fighter who has very good talent when he puts it all together. He's not a legendary Top 100 fighter or nothing like that, he's just a nice fighter in his era....nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Yep.

The Broner haters love pushing the "next Mayweather" thing, and holding on to it, but that died almost 4 years ago in December 2013.

He's just a good fighter who has very good talent when he puts it all together. He's not a legendary fighter or nothing like that, he's just a nice fighter in his era.
idk about that... I don't view him by Mayweather standards, BUT... you said the other day you would favor him against Bradley and would pick him for an upset against Pac those are pretty fukking high standards in my eyes and he def didn't look like a fighter who would possibly accomplish that against Granados. Having a tough SD win against Adrian Granados is not something I call "fine" from a fighter who is supposedly much more talented than Granados.
Granados was a decent/good fighter in a weightclass which is one of the weakest except the top of it and he is definitely not in the same league as the likes of Bradley or Pac.
 

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idk about that... I don't view him by Mayweather standards, BUT... you said the other day you would favor him against Bradley and would pick him for an upset against Pac those are pretty fukking high standards in my eyes and he def didn't look like a fighter who would possibly accomplish that against Granados

Mayweather Standards are alot higher than anyone fighting today breh. Dont forget, as you're boosting Pac & Bradley, that Pac destroyed Bradley in every single fight.....but yet Pac didn't belong in the same ring as Floyd and took a wide L.

AB is nowhere near Floyd's level, however, he does possess the talent to trouble Pacquiao at points, possibly pulling an upset if he pulls it all together on the same night, and he beats Bradley because Bradley has nothing that he does that could trouble AB.


. Having a tough SD win against Adrian Granados is not something I call "fine" from a fighter who is supposedly much more talented than Granados.

Again, 11 months ring rust and a broken left hand in the 1st round does that. However, he won. Got out thrown by 280 punches......280 punches bro.....and STILL outlanded AG by 20 punches. That takes talent, no matter if you wanna admit it or not, but not many fighters would win with1 hand vs a taller/longer pressure fighter on 11 months ring rust AND getting out thrown by damn near 300 punches.


Granados was a decent/good fighter in a weightclass which is one of the weakest except the top of it and he is definitely not in the same league as the likes of Bradley or Pac.

Provodnikov gave Bradley the toughest fight of his career, Bradley beat JMM pretty clearly....don't tell me about "same leagues" bro, bc styles make fights, and I'm 1000% sure you wouldn't put Prov in a league over JMM:usure:
 

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Mayweather Standards are alot higher than anyone fighting today breh. Dont forget, as you're boosting Pac & Bradley, that Pac destroyed Bradley in every single fight.....but yet Pac didn't belong in the same ring as Floyd and took a wide L.

AB is nowhere near Floyd's level, however, he does possess the talent to trouble Pacquiao at points, possibly pulling an upset if he pulls it all together on the same night, and he beats Bradley because Bradley has nothing that he does that could trouble AB.




Again, 11 months ring rust and a broken left hand in the 1st round does that. However, he won. Got out thrown by 280 punches......280 punches bro.....and STILL outlanded AG by 20 punches. That takes talent, no matter if you wanna admit it or not, but not many fighters would win with1 hand vs a taller/longer pressure fighter on 11 months ring rust AND getting out thrown by damn near 300 punches.




Provodnikov gave Bradley the toughest fight of his career, Bradley beat JMM pretty clearly....don't tell me about "same leagues" bro, bc styles make fights, and I'm 1000% sure you wouldn't put Prov in a league over JMM:usure:
Exactly style makes fights. That's why I think AB would beat Tim. Tom just doesn't have a clear path to victory. His defense and punch resistance has slipped so the porter plan might get him in serious trouble. And Tim not as athletic out boxing ab is not gonna happen. I still think Tim might be better but ab's style is all wrong for Tim
 
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