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[Newzz]

You typing this while having Rigo at #3

Maybe he ain't top 5 but Ring had him nowhere in sight that's just diarespectful.

You don't get taken off my p4p list because of promoter issues/networks blocking you from fighting, especially when there still hasn't been a fighter who's shown he can actually compete with Rigondeaux to this day imo.


p4p is the name, and p4p, Rigo is still to this day probably the most skilled Boxer on the planet outside of probably Loma. He's undefeated and has been blatantly avoided over and over again by names such as Carl Frampton. That counts to me on my list.


I cant blame fighters for not getting big fights when they are being avoided. The organization is supposed to make these mandatory matchups, but they don't.

And by the way, you never thought Andre Ward should be removed from the P4P list and he literally fought only 3x over a 3 1/2 year span, and I agreed....so my list isn't changing now breh



Pacquiao was soundly defeated only 3 fights ago, and since then has only beaten Vargas and a nearly retired version of Bradley, neither which are good enough fighters TODAY to make you crack the Top 5 p4p imo.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

You don't get taken off my p4p list because of promoter issues/networks blocking you from fighting, especially when there still hasn't been a fighter who's shown he can actually compete with Rigondeaux to this day imo.


p4p is the name, and p4p, Rigo is still to this day probably the most skilled Boxer on the planet outside of probably Loma. He's undefeated and has been blatantly avoided over and over again by names such as Carl Frampton. That counts to me on my list.


I cant blame fighters for not getting big fights when they are being avoided. The organization is supposed to make these mandatory matchups, but they don't.

and this is why I don't really care much about p4p lists, because they suit the agenda of whoever makes them.

Everyone has their own criteria for them and theres no way everyone will ever agree due to everyone having different perspectives of boxing.

nikkas will hardly ever see me bytching about p4p lists. I'll crack a joke or make an observation but that's it. ESPN and Ring can do whatever they want with that shyt. In my heart, just like in your heart, you know who is the best or deserves to be on there.

 

[Newzz]

The way I view P4P is who would win mostly based on skill level overall at an equal weight

Is that flawed? There's a lot of politics in boxing that determine resume and level of competition, good and bad. And realizing fighters at heigher weights may have a different type chin, power, conditioning, etc.

All that considered I don't think there's a fighter on the planet that has the all around skill/talent of Rigeaux he would be my #1. And his best days/prime are prob behind him.

Major key in my assessment as well.


It's literally what it means



I don't think anyone I left OUT of my Top 5 can beat anyone IN my Top 5 head to head if they weighed the same (out of those who are deserving of p4p talk).



Then when you look at their resumes, only 2 have been defeated...KKKovalev (in a controversial decision) and Lomachenko (losing a SD on the cards, which means it could've went either way, to a guy who said to making weight and low blow'd his way to victory...plus I believe Loma is already 2x as good as he was in his 2nd professional fight already).


The ones in my list who aren't defeated, SOG/Rigo/Garcia....I cant see anyone I left out of contention beating them at the same weight.

 

[Newzz]

and this is why I don't really care much about p4p lists, because they suit the agenda of whoever makes them.

Everyone has their own criteria for them and theres no way everyone will ever agree due to everyone having different perspectives of boxing.

nikkas will hardly ever see me bytching about p4p lists. I'll crack a joke or make an observation but that's it. ESPN and Ring can do whatever they want with that shyt. In my heart, just like in your heart, you know who is the best or deserves to be on there.

I don't care for em either...I just made it bc Im bored and wanted to respond to the tweet.


imo, Divisional rankings are the ONLY rankings that really matter.


P4P aint nothing but hypothetical, guessing, & personal biasness.

 

[Newzz]

@Fury

 

[Axum Ezana]

and this is why I don't really care much about p4p lists, because they suit the agenda of whoever makes them.

Everyone has their own criteria for them and theres no way everyone will ever agree due to everyone having different perspectives of boxing.

nikkas will hardly ever see me bytching about p4p lists. I'll crack a joke or make an observation but that's it. ESPN and Ring can do whatever they want with that shyt. In my heart, just like in your heart, you know who is the best or deserves to be on there.

true. if people would spit there train of thought first then list p4p names it would be a lil better.

 

[HeruDat1]

Major key in my assessment as well.


It's literally what it means



I don't think anyone I left OUT of my Top 5 can beat anyone IN my Top 5 head to head if they weighed the same (out of those who are deserving of p4p talk).



Then when you look at their resumes, only 2 have been defeated...KKKovalev (in a controversial decision) and Lomachenko (losing a SD on the cards, which means it could've went either way, to a guy who said to making weight and low blow'd his way to victory...plus I believe Loma is already 2x as good as he was in his 2nd professional fight already).


The ones in my list who aren't defeated, SOG/Rigo/Garcia....I cant see anyone I left out of contention beating them at the same weight.

Yeah I agree. It's just hypothetical criteria so no1 is saying it is objective. And I'd add onto what you said about who can beat your 1-5 vs your 6-10, this includes each man performing to the best of his abilities not necessarily the low point/iffy performances they may have had (though this could be a step up in competition that produced a not so great performances or not)

All that preface to say that, Demetrius Andrade I'd put higher than I like to admit cause I know people would trip over the resume and cause personally I need to see him in there with a guy like Lara. Different game but he's got Ammy victories over Keith Thurman (3X), Danny Jacobs, Shawn Porter etc. I have but similar to Rigeaux as far as the bad business side/guys not seeking to fight you.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

true. if people would spit there train of thought first then list p4p names it would be a lil better.

Exactly

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

It's almost like you need 2 different p4p lists... One only for skill and potential and one based off resume and accomplishments.

 

[PJTech]

Did Pacman die or retire

He hasn't beaten anyone in years that are worthy of making him Top 5 p4p....unless you think being almost shut out by Floyd and beating Bradley, Algieri, Vargas, and Rios is enough to make him Top 5 today

You typing this while having Rigo at #3

Maybe he ain't top 5 but Ring had him nowhere in sight that's just diarespectful.

This conversation is killing me

 

[Tuneday]

@Fury

Dw about the King. He's big because he wants to be big. Give's him more pop in his punches.

 

[Newzz]

Dw about the King. He's big because he wants to be big. Give's him more pop in his punches.

You may be right, but to me, it looks like he's been more concerned with drinking an assortment of Pops and Punches

 

[Tuneday]

You may be right, but to me, it looks like he's been more concerned with drinking an assortment of Pops and Punches

Ha ha! Fat, Drunk Gypsy King >> Late 80's summer Mike Tyson.

 

[krackdagawd]

And by the way, you never thought Andre Ward should be removed from the P4P list and he literally fought only 3x over a 3 1/2 year span, and I agreed....so my list isn't changing now breh



Pacquiao was soundly defeated only 3 fights ago, and since then has only beaten Vargas and a nearly retired version of Bradley, neither which are good enough fighters TODAY to make you crack the Top 5 p4p imo.

I'm not the one using that same criteria to discredit one guy while having another one in my top 3.



Your list is your list and I said maybe he ain't top 5 and he lost to Floyd Mayweather the best fighter of the era you don't really lose a lot of point to me for taking an L to him everyone does I mean these nikkas have kkkov ranked fresh off his L to Ward.

 

[krackdagawd]

This conversation is killing me

What's crazy is that if any of these nikkas fighters were to beat Pacman tomorrow they would get that p4p ranking like