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i dont know about that :patrice:..horn got dropped by an old ass randall bailey...i can see pac knocking him down a couple of times man


Jacobs got dropped & stunned by a dude with like a 4% KO ratio...and look what he did to GGG.

Bailey is a MUCH bigger puncher than Pac.

But i don't know shyt about Horn though :hubie:

But i would bet that if he doesn't get blown out rd-to-rd...and the fiight looks something similar to Pac-Vargas...they'll give it to him.
 

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According to Cameron Dunkin......Terence Crawford is gonna fight only 2 more times after Felix Diaz and then retire?:dahell:



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Does Terence Crawford’s next big challenge lie with Manny Pacquiao?
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December 10, 2016; Omaha, Nebraska USA. Terence Crawford wins by TKO in Round 7 of the Junior Welterweight bout against John Molina at Centurylink Center in Omaha, NE. Photo: Mikey Williams/Top Rank
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by Michael Woods

Manager Cameron Dunkin is part of Team Terence Crawford, and co-manages the kid, along with trainer Brian McIntyre.

It’s a nice place to be, being Crawford, THE RING Magazine/WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion, is one of the best boxers on the planet. How close he gets to the No. 1 slot is up for debate – but not to Dunkin. “He’s the best fighter in the world,” said the Las Vegas based deal-maker, who is recharging his battery with a group of prospects on the verge of contention, who should be popping on radar screens en masse in 2018, on the latest episode of “TALKBOX.”

Dunkin explained why he believes “Bud” is best.,”He can change up; he can go forward, backwards, side-to-side. He can lead, follow, counter. Think about what he can’t; there’s nothing he can’t do…We saw it with Viktor Postol, which should have been a competitive fight, and he just destroyed him.”

OK, so Crawford fights May 20, against ex-Olympic gold medalist Felix Diaz. Is this going to be a destruction? “Could be, could be, yeah,” said Dunkin, of the Dominican hitter.

But the jury is still out. Crawford hasn’t been able to snag that career-defining fight. Postol’s career height was a win over Lucas Matthysse…but was that a degraded Matthysse? Wins over Hank Lundy and John Molina Jr. were expected. Whom can Crawford fight that will get those jury holdouts on his side…getting him past Andre Ward or Vasyl Lomachenko or whomever some say is the top of the fistic heap? Dunkin hears this, knows this, and he, like Crawford, spars the mindset, which has fans building hurdles higher and higher for Bud to leap, “He’s made it look too easy. Now they want to jump him to ’54, to ’47; that crap starts. You and I know, Mike, we’ve been doing this 30 years. If you play that game, you can get anyone beat. They did with Roy Jones. You just move people up in weight, eventually you’re gonna get him.”

Noted…

But would a win over, say, WBC lightweight titlist Mikey Garcia shut ’em up, shut ’em down, get the Nebraskan what he and Dunkin believe is his just due? “Honestly, it’s a better chance of me fighting Terence,” answered Dunkin.

OK, we need to find a catchweight…

“No, I used to manage Mikey. Mikey’s not going to fight this guy…(Garcia)’s a good fighter, he’s an excellent fighter…”

Not great?

Based on what, asked Dunkin, firing a rhetorical grenade.

Anyone Mikey has beaten is a lesser level to Crawford.

“We’d do the fight but I don’t think we’d ever see it,” the manager said.


There are likely no challenges at 140 pounds. Welterweight is where he’ll have to go, said Dunkin.

OK, let’s keep playing. Bud needs a CHALLENGE. How about…drum roll, please…WBO welterweight titlist Manny Pacquiao? Both are with Top Rank Promotions. That helps things, maybe.

What about Bud versus Manny?

Well, Dunkin thinks Bud will fight twice more after Diaz. He thinks some young guns might step up, hopefully. But would one opponent be Manny?

In the past, Dunkin told me, there is an appetite to make Manny vs. Bud. “I think they will make the fight…There’s never been a problem. I talked to (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach about it a few times, never had a problem with the fight. He wants to fight. You know, Manny don’t run from anyone either…That’s what we want. It’s up to Manny, and (Top Rank CEO) Bob (Arum)’s got to get it done at a number that he doesn’t get his head torn off.”’

That makes sense…The dollars have to make sense. “Terence really gets it. He’s not locked into a number. He just wants to be treated fairly. Show me where the money comes from, show me what’s real, based on the other fights with Manny, and I’ll come up with a number that everybody can live with. Terence is very fair,” stated Dunkin.

If Bud beat Manny, Dunkin agreed, some would say that Manny was too faded. Crawford knows it. And yes, you can tell he’s mildly miffed at that but Dunkin just suggests he needs to keep on keepin’ on. Smart, from a guy with 30 years experience at this dog-and-pony show.

My take: You rasslin’ fans know that old guys lay down on their way out. They pass the torch. Like The Undertaker did at Wrestlemania 33 to the young gun Roman Reigns. But that’s scripted. Boxing isn’t. In an ideal world, Manny gives the possible heir to the top of the heap a shot at downing him and getting that buzz off the legend. Me, I think the sport wants and needs it. Let’s get it done. Let’s understand the market where it is today, and that a pay-per-view glut is not helping us grow eyeballs. Really, it’s not. We’ve seen an eyeball drain since 2015, arguably, and a lot of that is because our best and brightest are behind paywalls. This benefits the guys making the lion’s share of the dough and whom else? Not me, as a writer…Every year, there are fewer and fewer boxing media. There aren’t enough fans, to make an impact on the platforms, who keep dumping boxing coverage. Not enough interest, not enough hits. So…Let’s see the legend versus the young gun, “Pacman” versus Crawford, and how about off PPV, please?


Does Terence Crawford's next big challenge lie with Manny Pacquiao? - The Ring





I've never heard anyone say Crawford should be at 154 either....:yeshrug:
 

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According to Cameron Dunkin......Terence Crawford is gonna fight only 2 more times after Felix Diaz and then retire?:dahell:



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Does Terence Crawford’s next big challenge lie with Manny Pacquiao?
Terence-Crawford-Molina_victory_mikey-williams-toprank-770x525.jpg

December 10, 2016; Omaha, Nebraska USA. Terence Crawford wins by TKO in Round 7 of the Junior Welterweight bout against John Molina at Centurylink Center in Omaha, NE. Photo: Mikey Williams/Top Rank
06
Apr
by Michael Woods

Manager Cameron Dunkin is part of Team Terence Crawford, and co-manages the kid, along with trainer Brian McIntyre.

It’s a nice place to be, being Crawford, THE RING Magazine/WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion, is one of the best boxers on the planet. How close he gets to the No. 1 slot is up for debate – but not to Dunkin. “He’s the best fighter in the world,” said the Las Vegas based deal-maker, who is recharging his battery with a group of prospects on the verge of contention, who should be popping on radar screens en masse in 2018, on the latest episode of “TALKBOX.”

Dunkin explained why he believes “Bud” is best.,”He can change up; he can go forward, backwards, side-to-side. He can lead, follow, counter. Think about what he can’t; there’s nothing he can’t do…We saw it with Viktor Postol, which should have been a competitive fight, and he just destroyed him.”

OK, so Crawford fights May 20, against ex-Olympic gold medalist Felix Diaz. Is this going to be a destruction? “Could be, could be, yeah,” said Dunkin, of the Dominican hitter.

But the jury is still out. Crawford hasn’t been able to snag that career-defining fight. Postol’s career height was a win over Lucas Matthysse…but was that a degraded Matthysse? Wins over Hank Lundy and John Molina Jr. were expected. Whom can Crawford fight that will get those jury holdouts on his side…getting him past Andre Ward or Vasyl Lomachenko or whomever some say is the top of the fistic heap? Dunkin hears this, knows this, and he, like Crawford, spars the mindset, which has fans building hurdles higher and higher for Bud to leap, “He’s made it look too easy. Now they want to jump him to ’54, to ’47; that crap starts. You and I know, Mike, we’ve been doing this 30 years. If you play that game, you can get anyone beat. They did with Roy Jones. You just move people up in weight, eventually you’re gonna get him.”

Noted…

But would a win over, say, WBC lightweight titlist Mikey Garcia shut ’em up, shut ’em down, get the Nebraskan what he and Dunkin believe is his just due? “Honestly, it’s a better chance of me fighting Terence,” answered Dunkin.

OK, we need to find a catchweight…

“No, I used to manage Mikey. Mikey’s not going to fight this guy…(Garcia)’s a good fighter, he’s an excellent fighter…”

Not great?

Based on what, asked Dunkin, firing a rhetorical grenade.

Anyone Mikey has beaten is a lesser level to Crawford.

“We’d do the fight but I don’t think we’d ever see it,” the manager said.


There are likely no challenges at 140 pounds. Welterweight is where he’ll have to go, said Dunkin.

OK, let’s keep playing. Bud needs a CHALLENGE. How about…drum roll, please…WBO welterweight titlist Manny Pacquiao? Both are with Top Rank Promotions. That helps things, maybe.

What about Bud versus Manny?

Well, Dunkin thinks Bud will fight twice more after Diaz. He thinks some young guns might step up, hopefully. But would one opponent be Manny?

In the past, Dunkin told me, there is an appetite to make Manny vs. Bud. “I think they will make the fight…There’s never been a problem. I talked to (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach about it a few times, never had a problem with the fight. He wants to fight. You know, Manny don’t run from anyone either…That’s what we want. It’s up to Manny, and (Top Rank CEO) Bob (Arum)’s got to get it done at a number that he doesn’t get his head torn off.”’

That makes sense…The dollars have to make sense. “Terence really gets it. He’s not locked into a number. He just wants to be treated fairly. Show me where the money comes from, show me what’s real, based on the other fights with Manny, and I’ll come up with a number that everybody can live with. Terence is very fair,” stated Dunkin.

If Bud beat Manny, Dunkin agreed, some would say that Manny was too faded. Crawford knows it. And yes, you can tell he’s mildly miffed at that but Dunkin just suggests he needs to keep on keepin’ on. Smart, from a guy with 30 years experience at this dog-and-pony show.

My take: You rasslin’ fans know that old guys lay down on their way out. They pass the torch. Like The Undertaker did at Wrestlemania 33 to the young gun Roman Reigns. But that’s scripted. Boxing isn’t. In an ideal world, Manny gives the possible heir to the top of the heap a shot at downing him and getting that buzz off the legend. Me, I think the sport wants and needs it. Let’s get it done. Let’s understand the market where it is today, and that a pay-per-view glut is not helping us grow eyeballs. Really, it’s not. We’ve seen an eyeball drain since 2015, arguably, and a lot of that is because our best and brightest are behind paywalls. This benefits the guys making the lion’s share of the dough and whom else? Not me, as a writer…Every year, there are fewer and fewer boxing media. There aren’t enough fans, to make an impact on the platforms, who keep dumping boxing coverage. Not enough interest, not enough hits. So…Let’s see the legend versus the young gun, “Pacman” versus Crawford, and how about off PPV, please?


Does Terence Crawford's next big challenge lie with Manny Pacquiao? - The Ring





I've never heard anyone say Crawford should be at 154 either....:yeshrug:
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They were quick to constantly tell us about $30 Million from the UAE.........but now, Pacquiao's purse is nobody's business huh? :khanhuh:




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Since you bringing up old articles from January 7th lemmie update you


The business plan of Horn’s promoters Duco Eevnts promises $200 million worth of economic benefits to Queensland with increases in tourism and a global marketing campaign for the fight.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...t/news-story/453902df34fbfb51c985c500ff62760b



The clash — for Pacquiao’s World Boxing Organisation welterweight title — will be the most lucrative fight staged in Australia with promoters expecting a sellout crowd of 55,000.

Pacquiao will likely make more than $10 million from the bout which is being financially supported by the Queensland Government and Brisbane City Council.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...t/news-story/453902df34fbfb51c985c500ff62760b


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You said:
Horn has the Australian government backing this fight and putting up the money to get Pac out there.. the same money that he's owed by Top Rank thats in his contract...



He has no money "owed to him" by TR in his contract:mjlol:


He has no guaranateed money after that Pac/Bradley 3 floPPV.......and Arum said he aint getting that $20 mill anyways :umad:


“This is a different ball game and Dean Lonergan knows the figure we want,’’ Arum said. “The Crawford fight was a pay per view scenario but we are planning this as a free-to-air fight in America, so it will not be $20 million.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/manny-pacquiao-would-love-to-fight-jeff-horn-in-australia-says-promoter-bob-arum/news-story/ae3ff9397cd47f6beef290302e3b2821
Koncz did not disclose the proposed Pacquiao-Horn prize money or the venue, telling reporters the fighters' purse was "nobody's business".

Manny Pacquiao to fight Jeff Horn in Australia on July 2


^^^And that last article was from yesterday. Again, if the money was his normal money that he was used to getting, wouldn't Koncz say that instead of now acting secretive about his purse?:mjpls:


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Has Manny took a strong stance like he aint fighting no fukking Horn....Absolutely not:mjgrin:


Those hands's that Jessie Vargas laid all over him must of put the fear of God in Manny

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:mjlol: at Mr. Postol, Catchweight Gamboa, Lundy, Dierry Jean etc. manager talking down on Mikey AND Bud thinking of retiring. He better get w $$ Monica if that's the case.

I knew you'd get around to speaking on that Mikey slander:heh:


2 more fights after Diaz....vs who? The winner of Burns/Indougo and then either Antonio Orozco, Amir Imam, or Adrian Granados to call it a career?:dwillhuh:




Not like that Crawford....you can't retire never fighting at Welterweight breh :wow:
 

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Lmao @Black_Jesus acting like pacquaio is business savy all of a sudden

That dude has never seen a contract he didn't like

Hes fighting horn for a easy pay and because he's worried bout those crawford beats. end of story

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He's facing "The Fighting School Teacher" bc he's ranked #2 by WBO and the IBF....not because it's the best payday for him considering its the least risk:troll:



Who cares facing Crawford would be at minimum $20 million guaranteed plus a good selling PPV, and big event.....Crawford ain't ranked at #2 by the WBO and IBF at Welterweight:troll:



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He's facing "The Fighting School Teacher" bc he's ranked #2 by WBO and the IBF....not because it's the best payday for him considering its the least risk:troll:



Who cares facing Crawford would be at minimum $20 million guaranteed plus a good selling PPV, and big event.....Crawford ain't ranked at #2 by the WBO and IBF at Welterweight:troll:



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“We were under the impression that we were going to get Lara after the fight,” Pelullo told RING, referencing Andrade’s win last month in Germany against Jack Culcay for a secondary belt. “Now Lara is back-pedaling and he doesn’t want the fight. So, we’re in a position now that we’re looking for a fight for Demetrius Andrade. And it’s not an easy task because he’s a dangerous guy.” He added of Lara, “I was told that Lara wanted to go in a direction of fighting Hurd for the unified title but in my opinion I think it’s an easier fight for Lara and that’s why he wants it.”

Pelullo said he’s been in contact with German promoter Wilfried Sauerland about possibly using Andrade in the tournament he’s staging with Schaefer. “He was talking about maybe there would be a 154-pound division in his tournament and he asked if we’d put Andrade in and I said of course we would,” Pelullo said. “If all the terms are right, we’ll do it.”

Pelullo said he’s also been approached by an entity overseas interested in staging a fight involving Andrade (24-0, 16 knockouts), though he declined to elaborate any further. “We have to keep him busy and we have to keep him active,” said Pelullo, who plans to also reach out to HBO and Showtime in the coming weeks to try to map out Andrade’s future on the premium networks.




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