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Gervonta Davis: Adrien Broner is Jealous of Me, I'd Stop Him! - Boxing News
Translation: He's my man now!
Translation: He's my man now!
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King P
Legends Never Die
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Axum Ezana
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Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
so what is this? they either bi polar or just doing this for promotion....prolly both.
Gervonta Davis: Adrien Broner is Jealous of Me, I'd Stop Him! - Boxing News
Translation: He's my man now!
Tank is silly...reminds me of a young AB in how he moves/acts.
Me too...at around 2:00 - 2:15 in the background asking Floyd. Floyd said he gonna tell what exactly to do which means Lidocaine injections for AB.
Bread on Pretty Boy Loma:
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Is Lomachenko the best fighter in the world. How good is he and what is his ceiling? Is there anyone that can beat him?
Bread’s Response: Vasyl Lomachenko is a once in a decade type of talent. Him and Rigondeaux are the most talented fighters of this particular era. Like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao were the most talented fighters of their era. Before them Pernell Whitaker and Roy Jones were the supreme gifts. Before them it was Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran.
I just went back 40 years and I was only able to name 8 fighters who combined the level of god given talent and skill that Lomachenko has. There are some supremely skillful fighters and there are some supremely gifted and talented fighters. For example Alexis Arguello is extremely skillful. But you wouldn’t consider him to outer worldly gifted.
Then you have guys like Hector Camacho who are extremely gifted but the gifts don’t match their skills.
Lomachenko is both. If he was an average athlete with his same skillset he would still be the best 130 pounder in the world. But when you combine the both you see something special.
I don’t know if he’s the best fighter in the world. But yes he is the most skillful along with Guillermo Rigondeaux. He’s the guy that if you had a son who boxed, his style would be the one you wanted your son to duplicate if he could.
What he’s doing reminds me of the zone Manny Pacquiao was in from David Diaz to Antonio Margarito. He’s making the corner, the public and the referee fear for the opponent’s health.
It’s very hard to impress me and Lomachenko has impressed me as much as any fighter has recently. He does not get tired. He fights like he’s shadowboxing. His mental stamina is next level. He appears to be physically tough. He shows no discomfort when cracked. He’s even handed. He’s defensively adept. Anything he does from the right side he does from the left side. He has a great jab. He’s not a huge one punch guy but he has developed one of the best body attacks in the game. His feet are impeccable. He’s a defensive fighter but he doesn’t run and he’s a volume puncher. He’s a European Manny Pacquiao. Not the puncher but better defensively and a better inside fighter.
I think his ceiling is 140lbs. I think welterweights may be too big for him but who knows.
Mikey Garcia and Terence Crawford have good shots to beat him. But if they don’t, no one will.
In order to beat him in his current form you will have to have a tangible quality that he can’t overcome. For example your punches will have to be just too much for him to cope with. Or your length will have to be so freakish he can’t overcome it with his feet. Or maybe your brute strength and workrate just swamp his skillset.
Sort of like what Salido did. But Loma has improved so much since then I just don’t know if anyone can repeat that who is near his size. I do think he needs to rematch Salido for legacy purposes though. You have to win the fights in the ring not on assumption.
I wouldn’t call him the best fighter in the world yet. Because being more skillful doesn’t mean you can beat everyone. Jorge Linares lost to 3 people he was better and more skillful than. Tommy Hearns lost to Iran Barkley twice. Hearns was more skillful and better than Barkley.
But I will say that if the top 100 fighters were the same size with proportions factored in. I think Lomachenko would be favored to win more fights than anyone else. He doesn’t appear to have a weakness although I want to see him conquer an elite crowding fighter ala Salido.
Also I want to point out something. Most great fighters have between 10-15 championship or elite fights. The ones with more longevity have between 15-20. So Loma’s number of fights gets held against him but he’s 7-1 in championship fights already in his career. And the 1 loss was in his 2nd pro fight against a guy who was overweight and it was split decision! So that’s 8 championship fights already.
If you think about it. Andre Ward has 8 championship fights. Terence Crawford has 8. Mikey Garcia has 5. Danny Garcia has 8. I just randomly picked some top American stars who have been pro much longer than Loma but have a similar number of championship fights. I wouldn’t call Loma the best fighter in the world just yet but he’s not as far off as some think especially when the reason is he doesn’t have enough fights. And I don’t argue with people who claim he is the best. His eyeball test grade is scary high.
The only thing I would like to see Loma do that he hasn’t done yet is volunteer for VADA. In this PED era I think that would seal his greatness.
- See more at: Daily Bread Mailbag: Lomachenko, Golovkin, Leonard-Hagler, Usyk - Boxing News
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Is Lomachenko the best fighter in the world. How good is he and what is his ceiling? Is there anyone that can beat him?
Bread’s Response: Vasyl Lomachenko is a once in a decade type of talent. Him and Rigondeaux are the most talented fighters of this particular era. Like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao were the most talented fighters of their era. Before them Pernell Whitaker and Roy Jones were the supreme gifts. Before them it was Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran.
I just went back 40 years and I was only able to name 8 fighters who combined the level of god given talent and skill that Lomachenko has. There are some supremely skillful fighters and there are some supremely gifted and talented fighters. For example Alexis Arguello is extremely skillful. But you wouldn’t consider him to outer worldly gifted.
Then you have guys like Hector Camacho who are extremely gifted but the gifts don’t match their skills.
Lomachenko is both. If he was an average athlete with his same skillset he would still be the best 130 pounder in the world. But when you combine the both you see something special.
I don’t know if he’s the best fighter in the world. But yes he is the most skillful along with Guillermo Rigondeaux. He’s the guy that if you had a son who boxed, his style would be the one you wanted your son to duplicate if he could.
What he’s doing reminds me of the zone Manny Pacquiao was in from David Diaz to Antonio Margarito. He’s making the corner, the public and the referee fear for the opponent’s health.
It’s very hard to impress me and Lomachenko has impressed me as much as any fighter has recently. He does not get tired. He fights like he’s shadowboxing. His mental stamina is next level. He appears to be physically tough. He shows no discomfort when cracked. He’s even handed. He’s defensively adept. Anything he does from the right side he does from the left side. He has a great jab. He’s not a huge one punch guy but he has developed one of the best body attacks in the game. His feet are impeccable. He’s a defensive fighter but he doesn’t run and he’s a volume puncher. He’s a European Manny Pacquiao. Not the puncher but better defensively and a better inside fighter.
I think his ceiling is 140lbs. I think welterweights may be too big for him but who knows.
Mikey Garcia and Terence Crawford have good shots to beat him. But if they don’t, no one will.
In order to beat him in his current form you will have to have a tangible quality that he can’t overcome. For example your punches will have to be just too much for him to cope with. Or your length will have to be so freakish he can’t overcome it with his feet. Or maybe your brute strength and workrate just swamp his skillset.
Sort of like what Salido did. But Loma has improved so much since then I just don’t know if anyone can repeat that who is near his size. I do think he needs to rematch Salido for legacy purposes though. You have to win the fights in the ring not on assumption.
I wouldn’t call him the best fighter in the world yet. Because being more skillful doesn’t mean you can beat everyone. Jorge Linares lost to 3 people he was better and more skillful than. Tommy Hearns lost to Iran Barkley twice. Hearns was more skillful and better than Barkley.
But I will say that if the top 100 fighters were the same size with proportions factored in. I think Lomachenko would be favored to win more fights than anyone else. He doesn’t appear to have a weakness although I want to see him conquer an elite crowding fighter ala Salido.
Also I want to point out something. Most great fighters have between 10-15 championship or elite fights. The ones with more longevity have between 15-20. So Loma’s number of fights gets held against him but he’s 7-1 in championship fights already in his career. And the 1 loss was in his 2nd pro fight against a guy who was overweight and it was split decision! So that’s 8 championship fights already.
If you think about it. Andre Ward has 8 championship fights. Terence Crawford has 8. Mikey Garcia has 5. Danny Garcia has 8. I just randomly picked some top American stars who have been pro much longer than Loma but have a similar number of championship fights. I wouldn’t call Loma the best fighter in the world just yet but he’s not as far off as some think especially when the reason is he doesn’t have enough fights. And I don’t argue with people who claim he is the best. His eyeball test grade is scary high.
The only thing I would like to see Loma do that he hasn’t done yet is volunteer for VADA. In this PED era I think that would seal his greatness.
- See more at: Daily Bread Mailbag: Lomachenko, Golovkin, Leonard-Hagler, Usyk - Boxing News
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Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
been posted yet or did u guys miss it?
Crawford said the same thing....its too big of a jump to ask Loma to face a Champion 2 divisions higher and beat them. Only the Legends can do that :aboutbillions:
I seen it, but he used the $$$ thing which means it won't happen bc AB already told him to get his name up and they can get it in.
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
Broner wants no parts of Crawford, he'd get embarrassed
Cacs gotta chill tryna put Loma as #1 P4P or 'best fighter in the world' cause we all know who that is
Cacs gotta chill tryna put Loma as #1 P4P or 'best fighter in the world' cause we all know who that is
Mayweather vs. Lomachenko - Head to Head Stat Comparison
By CompuBox
Vasyl Lomachenko has amassed a plus/minus rating of +20.7 in his last 8 fights. That's the highest rating since Floyd Mayweather's +24.5 after the Andre Berto fight. CompuBox compares the stats of Mayweather & Lomachenko in 10 categories to see how they match up. Tell us fight fans what Head to Head match up you'd like to see next.
Vasyl Lomachenko's +20.7 plus/minus rating is the highest since Floyd Mayweather's +24.5 following the Berto fight. Floyd's higher plus/minus rating is bolstered by his 43.4% total punch connect pct. Loma is the busier fighter and landed more total and power punches per round. Both landed more than half their power punches.
Their defensive stats are very similar. Lomachenko, 8-1 as a pro, has been in tough since his second pro fight, but it's way too early to effectively compare their careers-- just their skills in ten CompuBox categories. - OTC (opponents total connect percentage) OPC- (opponents power connect percentage). Plus/minus determined by subtracting opponents connect pct. from listed fighters connect percentage.
Lomachenko (8-1, 6 KOs) returned to the ring this past Saturday night and dominated former WBA champion Jason Sosa in HBO televised main event. After nine one sided rounds, the contest was finally waved off by Sosa's corner who felt their boxer had taken enough punishment in the contest.
- See more at: Mayweather vs. Lomachenko - Head to Head Stat Comparison - Boxing News
By CompuBox
Vasyl Lomachenko has amassed a plus/minus rating of +20.7 in his last 8 fights. That's the highest rating since Floyd Mayweather's +24.5 after the Andre Berto fight. CompuBox compares the stats of Mayweather & Lomachenko in 10 categories to see how they match up. Tell us fight fans what Head to Head match up you'd like to see next.
Vasyl Lomachenko's +20.7 plus/minus rating is the highest since Floyd Mayweather's +24.5 following the Berto fight. Floyd's higher plus/minus rating is bolstered by his 43.4% total punch connect pct. Loma is the busier fighter and landed more total and power punches per round. Both landed more than half their power punches.
Their defensive stats are very similar. Lomachenko, 8-1 as a pro, has been in tough since his second pro fight, but it's way too early to effectively compare their careers-- just their skills in ten CompuBox categories. - OTC (opponents total connect percentage) OPC- (opponents power connect percentage). Plus/minus determined by subtracting opponents connect pct. from listed fighters connect percentage.
Lomachenko (8-1, 6 KOs) returned to the ring this past Saturday night and dominated former WBA champion Jason Sosa in HBO televised main event. After nine one sided rounds, the contest was finally waved off by Sosa's corner who felt their boxer had taken enough punishment in the contest.
- See more at: Mayweather vs. Lomachenko - Head to Head Stat Comparison - Boxing News
reservoirdogs
Superstar
well that's cool and Loma is great no doubt but...Mayweather vs. Lomachenko - Head to Head Stat Comparison
By CompuBox
Vasyl Lomachenko has amassed a plus/minus rating of +20.7 in his last 8 fights. That's the highest rating since Floyd Mayweather's +24.5 after the Andre Berto fight. CompuBox compares the stats of Mayweather & Lomachenko in 10 categories to see how they match up. Tell us fight fans what Head to Head match up you'd like to see next.
Vasyl Lomachenko's +20.7 plus/minus rating is the highest since Floyd Mayweather's +24.5 following the Berto fight. Floyd's higher plus/minus rating is bolstered by his 43.4% total punch connect pct. Loma is the busier fighter and landed more total and power punches per round. Both landed more than half their power punches.
Their defensive stats are very similar. Lomachenko, 8-1 as a pro, has been in tough since his second pro fight, but it's way too early to effectively compare their careers-- just their skills in ten CompuBox categories. - OTC (opponents total connect percentage) OPC- (opponents power connect percentage). Plus/minus determined by subtracting opponents connect pct. from listed fighters connect percentage.
Lomachenko (8-1, 6 KOs) returned to the ring this past Saturday night and dominated former WBA champion Jason Sosa in HBO televised main event. After nine one sided rounds, the contest was finally waved off by Sosa's corner who felt their boxer had taken enough punishment in the contest.
- See more at: Mayweather vs. Lomachenko - Head to Head Stat Comparison - Boxing News
1: I don't believe in Compubox
2: Head to head comparisons don't have much sense cause it put fighters next to each other like they would have fought the same level of opponents. Mayweather did these numbers against higher level opposition and that's not a diss at Loma's opponents cause they are god but Mayweather fought the likes of Canelo, prime Maidana, JMM, Cotto and Pac with some shyttier matchups like Berto or Guerrero sprinkled in.
foreman deserves his wealth..he succeeded in an area of business where alot of other all time great boxers failed...he really should be lauded for it
crawford is already a big 140 pounder...lomachenko is not even that for 130...he would get beat down something serious..worse than the salido fight