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if Ward is going to stay at 168, he simply is going to have to fight all comers and not worry about ridiculous paydays. he will have to reign like Hagler did until fighters are large enough to swim in his pond.

lemme give an observation on Mayweather. he has received his share of criticism and praise, he deserves both. his situation cannot be compared to Ward's....not saying its better or worse but they were different.

FMJ went through weight classes and purposefully fought and didnt fight who he wanted...selectively. he couldve fought Casa or Popo, he chose not to and they had to fight each other, eventually Casa had to fight Popo, Diego, and JLC. Diego had to fight all of them as well. They all had to fight each other. FMJ never cleaned out a division. Here is what he did that was so clever.

Tyson was the last big self made American draw. The mystique, the menacing persona, the destructive power, etc....made him huge. The next two were DLH and FMJ. They followed the blueprint of the last huge American boxing draw....SRL.

That blueprint was to fight only fights that added marketability....be it a big name or the collection of titles. All 3 have something in common. They could avoid fighters who presented equal or greater risk than the reward provided. They could always justify not fighting a particular opponent without laying a glove on them and sometimes even used revisionist history to do so.

If you ask FMJ prior to Casa fighting Popo, why not fight Casa, he would say, who has he fought? Why should I fight him? After the Casa/Popo fight...."he just lost to Popo, there is no reason for me to fight him"

FMJ felt he never needed to beat everyone in a division....only one or maybe two. He saw himself as a prize and everyone should round robin and determine who would be his best challenge. If he beat Diego and JLC, there was never a reason to fight anyone else at 130 or 135 in his eyes.

I dont hold his short stint at 140 against him so much but he had plenty of opposition there. He wanted to get to WW. Even though he let the richest fight pass him by, he is not all that upset about it...because the debate between who the best P4P fighter was between him and Pac was settled without him even throwing a punch. If JMM KOed Pac, and I beat JMM, what makes you think Pac could beat me?

SRL did the same thing throughout his career. Why do you think he made over $100 million in purses in just 40 fights before the 90's? Never forget when Donald Curry was clamoring for a fight with SRL. SRL was calling the fight between Curry-McCallum. The look on SRL's face when McCallum KOed Curry.....:russ:

Its not about who can beat you but the challenge. Some fighters are up for it, some are simply in it for the business aspect. As much as I disliked DLH in his early career, I respected him later in his career because there was a point where he had to fight everyone in his vicinity.

Its not all FMJ's fault because DLH and SRL had much better fighters around them in their era's. Still, they all played the same game.

Again, to tie Ward back into this. If there are no big money fights that make sense, then he should focus on fighting all comers. He has to be the Hagler of his generation, or at least the Hopkins. FMJ is already the SRL.
:whew: excellent post breh :obama:

and if floyd is truly following in the same trajectory as sugar ray did..his bs will catch up to him like it did when terrible terry and camacho ended up beating the shyt out sugar ray at the end of his career
 

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:whew: excellent post breh :obama:

and if floyd is truly following in the same trajectory as sugar ray did..his bs will catch up to him like it did when terrible terry and camacho ended up beating the shyt out sugar ray at the end of his career

he doesnt have a Terrible Terry around (big strong athletic guy with more speed and power than himself) and he better not be caught coming out of retirement at 40 after a 6 year layoff. SRL made a big mistake with Norris, took him lightly because he was little known at the time....which was proven by how heavily favored SRL was over Norris. I dont think FMJ will make the mistakes SRL made...or DLH (Manny :snoop:) for that matter. His team is smarter than that.
 

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Golden Boy and Mayweather Promotions rounded out the televised undercard for the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Robert Guerrero Showtime PPV card on May 4 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, formally announcing Tuesday the addition of two fights: junior featherweight Leo Santa Cruz against Alexander Munoz, and middleweight J'Leon Love against Gabriel Rosado.

Both bouts are scheduled for 10 rounds and will be part of the pay-per-view telecast that also includes pound-for-pound king Mayweather in a defense of his welterweight title against interim titlist Guerrero, and featherweight titleholder Daniel Ponce De Leon defending his belt against former junior featherweight titleholder Abner Mares, who recently vacated his title to move up in weight.

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Just noticed that the Donaire/Rigondeaux fight next week is gonna be preceded by the new Louis CK comedy special on HBO.
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he doesnt have a Terrible Terry around (big strong athletic guy with more speed and power than himself) and he better not be caught coming out of retirement at 40 after a 6 year layoff. SRL made a big mistake with Norris, took him lightly because he was little known at the time....which was proven by how heavily favored SRL was over Norris. I dont think FMJ will make the mistakes SRL made...or DLH (Manny :snoop:) for that matter. His team is smarter than that.

The way he blows his money That nikka will be broke by then. He will be back..:shaq:
 

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So after Mares dropped his belt N moved up in weight N after GBP N Mares offered TR N Donaire 3milly....N after HBO bans GBP fighters....Arum says hell do the Mares Nonito fight only if its on HBO N if Mares asks for a reasonable purse:troll:
 

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The WBC, which had indefinitely suspended former world champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. after he tested positive for marijuana following his loss to Sergio Martínez last September, has announced it will lift all sanctions in place against Chavez Jr. and support a Martinez-Chavez Jr. rematch. Junior will now be put back in the WBC rankings and eligible to compete in any available WBC title fight.
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Former heavyweight title challenger Manuel Charr has been actively campaigning to insert his name in the “TBA” slot for David Haye’s June 29 fight in Manchester, England. According to Charr, he along with Kubrat Pulev, Robert Helenius, Vyacheslav Glazkov and Denis Boytsov are in the running.

Which one guys?
 

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So after Mares dropped his belt N moved up in weight N after GBP N Mares offered TR N Donaire 3milly....N after HBO bans GBP fighters....Arum says hell do the Mares Nonito fight only if its on HBO N if Mares asks for a reasonable purse:troll:

i can't and don't see this whole gbp not working with hbo a long term thing. i say 1-2 years they'll be back working together.

i don't think mares-donaire being on hbo is the problem or even the purse. bob just aint trying to co promote, dude is a control freak.
 

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Which one guys?

fukkin WBC and its corruptness :snoop:

lets see

Charr = nah
Glazkov = dude got a gift draw against malik scott..nah
Helenius = wouldn't mind
Boytsov = wouldn't mind
Pulev = wouldn't mind

out of the ones i said wouldn't mind id give the fight to helenius...he's the most well known of the undefeated heavies
 

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