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[surv2syn]

But I thought Morales, Cotto, and Oscar was drained though??

What about JMM?? Pac was juicing right?? Why didn't he dominate pee pee man??


What you're saying is a nikka can have a great career, but if he doesn't want to submit to unlimited blood withdrawals close to the fight.. something never demanded in the history of boxing, this means his career should be considered suspicious??

did you ever see me make claims that those guys were weight drained? I never did. go back and check my posts where I said Oscar was gonna lose regardless and to me it had nothing to do with weight. I dont make those types of excuses. Check my history. when everyone says Dawson was drained, I say he wouldve lost at 175. I just dont make those types of excuses. Naturally bigger guys like Manny was stopping....they were very good or great fighters. Fighters of that calibur cant go the distance with this dude? Even Mosley was gonna quit but Naazim forced him not to.

As for the 2nd part in bold. This what I am saying. I would rather not raise any suspicion and remove as much doubt as I can regarding my HOF career. OSTD is not unreasonable. When history looks back.....it will say Floyd win/lose/draw was a CLEAN fighter and was willing to be subjected to tests at any given time. History will also show Manny NEVER wanted to take a test except AFTER he was KOed by Marquez. That is fact.

 

[SuikodenII]

rigo vs darchinyan? im sure it will be entertaining but rigo can surely find a better opponent than vic

Who?

-Donaire rematch ain't happening since Nonito is moving up
-Terrazas and Santa Cruz are fighting each other
-Carl Frampton, well... Frampton's Trainer: Carl is Not Ready For Rigondeaux - Boxing News ...no wonder he signed with Frank Warren
-Jeffrey Mathebula, robbed against Celestino Caballero some years back, fought bravely against Donaire but lost, and is in line for an IBF title shot against Romero

As far as A tier Super Bantams go, that only leaves Vic

What does he bring to the table?

An exciting draw. A legitimate name. A style one like Rigo can look good against. This is the EXACT opponent Rigo needs next after the Donaire fight so people who were to the Donaire fight will take notice. If Rigo destroys him he'll get that Donaire buzz he rightfully deserves and should already have, but sadly doesn't.

One tier down, only guy available is Christian Mijares, MAYBE Fernando Montiel as long as he takes care of business 6/22...going lower won't do him any good since he's a top p4p guy now...

The gamble Floyd Mayweather Jr. needs to take -- Y! SPORTS

I dare you to find a worse sports article from a respsected outlet.

Jesus

Respected?

 

[surv2syn]

don't remind me...first notable fight of 2011 and it was a pisspoor fight with a terrible ending....it killed devon's marketability and career momentum to where it is today

there are a lot of fights that shouldve happened that never did between rivals in the same division. in hindsight....that is a fight that probably never shouldve happened given the styles.

 

[surv2syn]

But the whole argument from the beginning wasn't so much of Pac HAVING to prove his innocence more than Manny and a lot of others saying, "Who is Floyd to dictate anything?". In hindsight, you can say "Manny f*cked up not taking the test",

Floyd was the #1 fighter in the world. Since that time, Manny has fallen to an even lower stature while Floyd has went on to make even more money without him. I'll bet you Pac wouldve done it for Oscar....why? Because they knew it would be an easy payday. Floyd's negotiating tactics were dirty. No doubt about it. What can you do though? DLH was a huge draw at the time but as a top level fighter he was done. We are talking about not only the very best fighter but the highest paid as well. That is who Floyd was to dictate. Whether right or wrong, you can never take away his justification and credentials.

 

[surv2syn]

But the whole argument from the beginning wasn't so much of Pac HAVING to prove his innocence more than Manny and a lot of others saying, "Who is Floyd to dictate anything?". In hindsight, you can say "Manny f*cked up not taking the test", but from jump it seemed more like Floyd was throwing a monkey wrench as he never asked anybody to take his own mandated drug test that the commission doesn't authorize. Think if Floyd were in Pacquiao's position, do people really think Floyd would jump at that with open arms just to get the fight with Pacquiao Of course not, because as with Pacquiao, Floyd was and is a big star and he isn't going to have anyone tell him sh*t, especially since GBP aren't necessarily his parents. Pacquiao NOW is in a position where he borderline has to give Floyd a reach around to get the fight let alone taking a much less cut. All in all, I think Floyd tried to get into Manny's head with the PED accusations and it snowballed from there making it blow up way out of proportion. I've been suspicious of Pacquiao, but I'm still waiting on a smoking gun and 4-5 years later after the original accusations and still nothing Dude clearly isn't what he once was, but I don't think it's him just getting off PEDs Fighters do get old and he gets hit a lot. Manny ain't

also.....here is how history will look at it....

Pac screwed up negotiations because he didnt take the test.

Floyd didnt want the fight because......?? he was scared??? no. he is fighting Canelo which should put that notion to rest if it hadnt been already. because he wanted more of the money? how much did he make against Guererro and set to make against Canelo? Floyd didnt want to do business with TR? Can you blame him? I mean what legitimate reason can you pin on Floyd that will look worse than Pac not wanting to test?

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

-Carl Frampton, well... Frampton's Trainer: Carl is Not Ready For Rigondeaux - Boxing News ...no wonder he signed with Frank Warren

But yeah McGuigan is right Frampton isnt ready for Rigo

 

[surv2syn]

Let's not forget team talking bout Shane might be dirty....Shane says aiight I'll take extra tests as long as you do it to N that was the end of that

Roach accuses JMM of PEDs...

JMM: let's test

Team we was jk

Then the excuses was well why spend money on tests when JMM has memo N his shyt is undectable

fights Rios who's wit Memo N asks for testing

this should shut anybody's mouth who has a lick of sense...but it wont. you take a risk of tarnishing a HOF career by refusing to test....then further cast doubt upon yourself by asking for a test after u get KTFO.

I want to re-iterate. Its not Manny himself. He seems like such a good person. Its his handlers and his team. They :udontknow: about P.R. and damage control. There is a reason why Floyd big ups his team as the best in the biz....they just dont make dummy moves like that.

 

[HamAndEgger]

also.....here is how history will look at it....

Pac screwed up negotiations because he didnt take the test.

Floyd didnt want the fight because......?? he was scared??? no. he is fighting Canelo which should put that notion to rest if it hadnt been already. because he wanted more of the money? how much did he make against Guererro and set to make against Canelo? Floyd didnt want to do business with TR? Can you blame him? I mean what legitimate reason can you pin on Floyd that will look worse than Pac not wanting to test?

History will show both fighters weren't eager to fight one another during a time in Boxing when a fighter of both Manny's and Floyd's caliber could get away without fighting one another and still make Millions. Canelo's a very good fight for Floyd at this stage of his career, but say Floyd beats Canelo soundly, do you think that would trump him beating Pacquiao at the height of when that fight could've been made?

That was a MEGA FIGHT based on both guys' popularity. Canelo is no where near as popular as Pacquiao in that sense, but it presents a really good challenge for Floyd. Floyd will be heralded very high with a win over Canelo, but I don't think it'll shadow over that fight at its peak not happening. Mayweather vs Canelo to me is a Duran vs Barkley scenario, not Leonard vs Hagler or Leonard vs Duran in comparison to the overall hype.

 

[SuikodenII]

But yeah McGuigan is right Frampton isnt ready for Rigo

Frampton wants Scott Quigg, probably at the end of this year......who'd you favor in that one?

 

[surv2syn]

Canelo's a very good fight for Floyd at this stage of his career, but say Floyd beats Canelo soundly, do you think that would trump him beating Pacquiao at the height of when that fight could've been made?

That was a MEGA FIGHT based on both guys' popularity. Canelo is no where near as popular as Pacquiao in that sense, but it presents a really good challenge for Floyd. Floyd will be heralded very high with a win over Canelo, but I don't think it'll shadow over that fight at its peak not happening. Mayweather vs Canelo to me is a Duran vs Barkley scenario, not Leonard vs Hagler.

thats not the point. this isnt where we break down the fight and compare it to other fights. this is the part where we talk about public perception. this isnt the part where we discuss how much money was on the line or who wouldve been the most popular fighter after a win. this is the part where we go over how everyone was saying....Floyd is scared of Manny. Floyd is a coward. Floyd didnt fight Manny because he is afraid of challenges. yada yah

Now that Floyd is fighting Canelo that should dispel all notions that he feared this man that never weighed in more than 144lbs. Thats all I am saying.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Al Haymon & Bob Arum are to blame for Floyd & not happening.

Stop all this but Floyd offered this and Manny wanted that BS. Haymon would rather do business with a Klan member and Arum do business with Neo-Nazi's then with each other.

 

[SuikodenII]

Al Haymon & Bob Arum are to blame for Floyd & not happening.

Stop all this but Floyd offered this and Manny wanted that BS. Haymon would rather do business with a Klan member and Arum do business with Neo-Nazi's then with each other.

Haymon doesn't make fights for Floyd, Floyd does. Arum makes every and any fight decision for Pac. Haymon handles the fine details Floyd don't feel like dealing with.

Arum don't like Floyd nor Haymon, and flat out refuses to do business with GBP


He's an 80-year-old spoiled brat. And no, he'd never do business with a Neo Nazi







...David Stern on the other hand

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Frampton wants Scott Quigg, probably at the end of this year......who'd you favor in that one?

Goin off their last fights, which was vs their best opponents faced thus far in their career, I fancy Quigg. Frampton didnt look that great vs Kiko Martinez in the majority of that fight, but the youth and less miles got Frampton thru that and he ended up over powering Kiko by the end IIRC. And Quigg looked far more impressive stopping Munroe. But should be a great fight

 

[Black_Jesus]

did you ever see me make claims that those guys were weight drained? I never did. go back and check my posts where I said Oscar was gonna lose regardless and to me it had nothing to do with weight. I dont make those types of excuses. Check my history. when everyone says Dawson was drained, I say he wouldve lost at 175. I just dont make those types of excuses. Naturally bigger guys like Manny was stopping....they were very good or great fighters. Fighters of that calibur cant go the distance with this dude? Even Mosley was gonna quit but Naazim forced him not to.

You don't have to defend yourself breh.... I never claimed you said any of those things... all im saying Roids cant always be the goto excuse for greatness, just because Pac didn't want to submit himself to unlimited testing close to the fight to ease Floydies insecurities..

As for the 2nd part in bold. This what I am saying. I would rather not raise any suspicion and remove as much doubt as I can regarding my HOF career. OSTD is not unreasonable. When history looks back.....it will say Floyd win/lose/draw was a CLEAN fighter and was willing to be subjected to tests at any given time. History will also show Manny NEVER wanted to take a test except AFTER he was KOed by Marquez. That is fact.

you feel that OSDT is reasonable..ok well I feel like asking for a cuttoff date and not wanting to submit an unspecified unlimited amount of blood close to the fight is very reasonable...

History might show that Manny didn't want to submit to OSDT... but it will show that when he agreed to the OSDt back in 2011 anyway(over a year before the Roidquez KO), Floydie switched up and refused to copromote wanting 100% control over any possible revenue made from a fight with Pac... History will show Floyd chose greed over legacy, it will show Floyd asking for catchweights after publicly discrediting another fighter for doing the same thing..

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Haymon doesn't make fights for Floyd, Floyd does. Arum makes every and any fight decision for Pac. Haymon handles the fine details Floyd don't feel like dealing with.

Arum don't like Floyd nor Haymon, and flat out refuses to do business with GBP


He's an 80-year-old spoiled brat. And no, he'd never do business with a Neo Nazi

...David Stern on the other hand

I was hyperboling with that one, BUT I still got my money on the Neo Nazi doin business before Haymon, Floyd & GBP

From what I remember about the original negotiations rounds, was that Bob would sit down with Floyd and Ellerbe but not if Haymon was involved. You and i know it takes more than the old sayin about it takes 2 people to make a fight when the reality is its about 4-6 people. Haymon might not make the fights for Floyd but hes him gettin his shoutout from all of the fighters means he yields alot of power, why dont the Watsons get a shoutout