Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[chunky_mcdaniels]

You're not familiar with my thoughts on that.

If I paid out the money like he did and all the fights were mid to terrible, I would be very selective on who gets a bag

But primarily what you're saying is that the fighters are to blame for the weekends fights and the promoter should penalise them for avoiding getting knocked out for the fans benefit.

That's correct yes?

 

[patscorpio]

But primarily what you're saying is that the fighters are to blame for the weekends fights and the promoter should penalise them for avoiding getting knocked out for the fans benefit.

That's correct yes?

If there was hit and don't get hit..nope

I saw dont hit and don't get hit...wild unacceptable...boxing is the hurt business..you better go out there and hurt that man over the course of 12 rounds

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

If there was hit and don't get hit..nope

I saw dont hit and don't get hit...wild unacceptable...boxing is the hurt business..you better go out there and hurt that man over the course of 12 rounds

I don't disagree with that at all.

I do believe that boxing is in a complex, perilous place right now, to its overall detriment.

The weekends fights are a direct reflection of where its at, and it's not the boxers at fault.

 

[Derek Lee]

Heel Rolly is byke

 

[TheNig]

I don't disagree with that at all.

I do believe that boxing is in a complex, perilous place right now, to its overall detriment.

The weekends fights are a direct reflection of where its at, and it's not the boxers at fault.

Then who's at fault? As a consumer I wanna see the best fight the best. These dudes getting paid hand over fist just to Texas Two Step in front of each other and throw a jab or two every now and then.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

If there was hit and don't get hit..nope

I saw dont hit and don't get hit...wild unacceptable...boxing is the hurt business..you better go out there and hurt that man over the course of 12 rounds

These nikkas gon fukk around and get some UFC fight of the night bonus shyt started with all these sorry ass lackluster performances.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Then who's at fault? As a consumer I wanna see the best fight the best. These dudes getting paid hand over fist just to Texas Two Step in front of each other and throw a jab or two every now and then.

you got damn right its the fukking boxer's fault.

At the end of the day, they the ones in the ring. Nobody got them in handcuffs. Throw some fukking punches you soft ass nikka.
and remember these fights were on ppv which is even worse.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Then who's at fault? As a consumer I wanna see the best fight the best. These dudes getting paid hand over fist just to Texas Two Step in front of each other and throw a jab or two every now and then.

To place blame on a single entity or component would be naive, this is nuanced and layered, a continuation of various factors over a 30 year period.

But in short -

• Technology and the consumer aka you / me / us. The demise of the television as a standalone device, in other words, boxing has lost its ppv value due to bootlegging plain and simple. This coincides with the demise of network television and distribution.The consumer wants everything for nothing, no longer is a run of the mill title defence enough, it has to be an undisputed vs undisputed to be a title fight now, it has to be a mega card to win the audience.
• Shifting media landscapes and consumption, hyperreality and the advent of the content creator/influencer. Content runs the world now (whether we like it or not), this has greatly affected traditional entertainment and media forms such as film, television, music, entertainment and even sport.
• Boxing cards that now reflect the will of a Saudi cabinet minister, whilst great in theory, the concerning by-product is a rapid form of vertical integration that has manifest without competition in the space 24 months (after a build of 12 months).
• It's not boxing anymore, it's fighting now, thats the market, that's the standard, that's what people are wired to and only understand now, nothing else sells. It used to be boxing and fighting.

This is a much longer discussion than just dot points and musings, back and forths don't really do it justice.

I'd argue that superficially the best thing that has happened to boxing in recent times (Saudi intervention) is concurrently its biggest malaise, but not limited to, there's other factors at play like the aforementioned.

As soon as you start talking about docking pay and a league and payment structure that is singular, then you have a regime, this has unconscionable repercussions and consequences, they're just hard to see in real time.

https://archive.md/XLc9O I posted this article in another thread, I recommend it, provides context to the current sporting landscape and future of all sport and entertainment.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[Apollo Creed]

Crazy Monster had the best fight of the weekend and the shyt was Free.

They should have had him Headline the Times Square card and push it as Godzilla takes on NYC

 

[UpAndComing]

@patscorpio @LauderdaleBoss @TheNig

Time stamped & I'm not so sure I believe this dude lol

Told y'all Boots was ducking. And somehow everyone automatically sides with Boots and his team, when they are known for fukkboy shyt lol

 

[TheNig]

To place blame on a single entity or component would be naive, this is nuanced and layered, a continuation of various factors over a 30 year period.

But in short -

• Technology and the consumer aka you / me / us. The demise of the television as a standalone device, in other words, boxing has lost its ppv value due to bootlegging plain and simple. This coincides with the demise of network television and distribution.The consumer wants everything for nothing, no longer is a run of the mill title defence enough, it has to be an undisputed vs undisputed to be a title fight now, it has to be a mega card to win the audience.
• Shifting media landscapes and consumption, hyperreality and the advent of the content creator/influencer. Content runs the world now (whether we like it or not), this has greatly affected traditional entertainment and media forms such as film, television, music, entertainment and even sport.
• Boxing cards that now reflect the will of a Saudi cabinet minister, whilst great in theory, the concerning by-product is a rapid form of vertical integration that has manifest without competition in the space 24 months (after a build of 12 months).
• It's not boxing anymore, it's fighting now, thats the market, that's the standard, that's what people are wired to and only understand now, nothing else sells. It used to be boxing and fighting.

This is a much longer discussion than just dot points and musings, back and forths don't really do it justice.

I'd argue that superficially the best thing that has happened to boxing in recent times (Saudi intervention) is concurrently its biggest malaise, but not limited to, there's other factors at play like the aforementioned.

As soon as you start talking about docking pay and a league and payment structure that is singular, then you have a regime, this has unconscionable repercussions and consequences, they're just hard to see in real time.

https://archive.md/XLc9O I posted this article in another thread, I recommend it, provides context to the current sporting landscape and future of all sport and entertainment.

This is way too convoluted of an explanation cuh. The promoters, consumers, or even the trainers aren't the ones giving the actual show. The fighters are. And when they're not giving a show, people will boo.

How do I look booing Turki because Haney and Scull decided to get in steps on their Apple Watch?

Is it his fault that Garcia is looking funny in the light for losing, after absolutely obliterating Haney and now it seems like the reason for that aggression was because he was juiced up?

Did Turki tell Canelo to wait until the 12th round to attempt to cut off the ring?

The fighters have to fight. Fighters have to put on a show. If they don't, no one will want to see them and that's including fight fans.

 

[UpAndComing]

But primarily what you're saying is that the fighters are to blame for the weekends fights and the promoter should penalise them for avoiding getting knocked out for the fans benefit.

That's correct yes?

I don't disagree with that at all.

I do believe that boxing is in a complex, perilous place right now, to its overall detriment.

The weekends fights are a direct reflection of where its at, and it's not the boxers at fault.

From my point of view we don't have to pontificate about how complex it might be and who might be at fault. Inoue this past Sunday just showed everyone how it should be done, and what Boxing should look like

 

[BOXINGGEMS]

Told y'all Boots was ducking. And somehow everyone automatically sides with Boots and his team, when they are known for fukkboy shyt lol

I can tell you why this is a cap ass argument but idc to go too deep into it. Honestly, they refused to go to Boots home turf to fight but are willing to go to Japan to get robbed and/or cheated to fight Sasaki. The challenger's home, not even another champion. It's nonsense.

The dad said what it was during one of his rants. They believe time is on their side and if they wait long enough Boots will either move up out of frustration or overstay the weight class and his performance will drop. That's the game plan.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I can tell you why this is a cap ass argument but idc to go too deep into it. Honestly, they refused to go to Boots home turf to fight but are willing to go to Japan to get robbed and/or cheated to fight Sasaki. The challenger's home, not even another champion. It's nonsense.

The dad said what it was during one of his rants. They believe time is on their side and if they wait long enough Boots will either move up out of frustration or overstay the weight class and his performance will drop. That's the game plan.

Facts
Taking that fight in Japan kinda ruins Norman's whole argument.