The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[MAKAVELI25]

for a bunch of guys that say they don't support Hamas they sure do spend a lot of time defending their actions including their right to govern, commit terrorism, take civilians hostage, negotiate, and now even summarily execute their own civilians

It's time to consider that they're not arguing in good faith imho

The irony of you accusing anyone of not arguing in good faith is beyond comedic.

I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone on any message board spread as much propaganda as you do.

Some might disagree with me, but I don’t think you’re a bad poster or an idiot. However, when it comes to the topic of Israel, your posts read like those of someone either deeply unwell or trapped in a cult. My best guess is that you’re being paid to post this stuff—which, frankly, is far less disturbing than the alternative: that you actually believe it.

 

[Pressure]

Ok, so what's your analysis of the current landscape and why Dems keep losing elections that most sane people think they should be running away with?

Dems lost in 2024 due to inflation and Biden being an old fukking man that no one believed could do the job for 4 more years.

Kamala Harris has and always was an uninspiring candidate who was one of the worst performers when she was in the Dem primary. She was given the job because Joe Biden promised he would appoint a black woman as VP and she was the most qualified.

Not having a primary made it to easy and only reinforced the ideas of dems picking and choosing instead of the voters. Especially bad when you pick someone without a natural strong base.

If you spend any time around these folks you claim to want to win over you will here pretty much that and dems care too much about fringe shyt lil Trannies and illegals.

It’s a common theme across every demographic except those attempting to wax poetically about how morally superior they are to everyone.

Oh I forgot, believing white women are going to veer off from their husbands over abortion vs feeling safe about the mythical bad Mexican or danger black male criminal.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Dems lost in 2024 due to inflation and Biden being an old fukking man that no one believed could do the job for 4 more years.

Kamala Harris has and always was an uninspiring candidate who was one of the worst performers when she was in the Dem primary. She was given the job because Joe Biden promised he would appoint a black woman as VP and she was the most qualified.

Not having a primary made it to easy and only reinforced the ideas of dems picking and choosing instead of the voters. Especially bad when you pick someone without a natural strong base.

If you spend any time around these folks you claim to want to win over you will here pretty much that and dems care too much about fringe shyt lil Trannies and illegals.

It’s a common theme across every demographic except those attempting to wax poetically about how morally superior they are to everyone.

Oh I forgot, believing white women are going to veer off from their husbands over abortion vs feeling safe about the mythical bad Mexican or danger black male criminal.

I agree with most of this, but it still don't think it answers the question of why working class voters have been trending towards Republicans for the past few cycles. They were trending this way before inflation become a major political issue and before Kamala was the nominee.

I also don't buy that Americans prioritize their ability to discriminate against trans people and illegal immigrants more than they prioritize their own economic interests.

 

[Loose]

I agree with most of this, but it still don't think it answers the question of why working class voters have been trending towards Republicans for the past few cycles. They were trending this way before inflation become a major political issue and before Kamala was the nominee.

I also don't buy that Americans prioritize their ability to discriminate against trans people and illegal immigrants more than they prioritize their own economic interests.

They've been trending this way since NAFTA, essentially. Obama was a generational candidate who energized low-information voters in massive numbers—similar to Trump. We've lost states like Ohio, which is in the North, to Republicans. Hell, 25 years ago, West Virginia was a blue state. Most of this shift stems from the decay of the Rust Belt, which NAFTA accelerated and Republicans effectively campaigned against.

 

[88m3]

I agree with most of this, but it still don't think it answers the question of why working class voters have been trending towards Republicans for the past few cycles. They were trending this way before inflation become a major political issue and before Kamala was the nominee.

I also don't buy that Americans prioritize their ability to discriminate against trans people and illegal immigrants more than they prioritize their own economic interests.

sounds like you don't spend a lot of time around white working class republicans/conservatives and I love that for you

they literally breathe that shyt and drag queens reading to children

 

[Pressure]

I agree with most of this, but it still don't think it answers the question of why working class voters have been trending towards Republicans for the past few cycles. They were trending this way before inflation become a major political issue and before Kamala was the nominee.

I also don't buy that Americans prioritize their ability to discriminate against trans people and illegal immigrants more than they prioritize their own economic interests.

Who said that?

I’m not sure why it’s so hard for folk to fathom that people are drawn to boogeyman politics with simple solutions. In particular the less educated.

It’s not about people wanting to be bigot in this scenario as much as it’s easy to say, “hey your son isn’t doing well because they’re prioritizing picking Mexicans [insert demographic] over you.” Then follow that up with the solution is to get rid of AA, deport immigrants,

Further when 4/7 of the country is perpetually unhappy with government at any moment it’s easy to push the solution that you need less government to fix your problems and then sweeten the pot by saying less government means you get to keep more tax dollars.

It isn’t rocket science. It’s just perpetually gaslighting people.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

They've been trending this way since NAFTA, essentially. Obama was a generational candidate who energized low-information voters in massive numbers—similar to Trump. We've lost states like Ohio, which is in the North, to Republicans. Hell, 25 years ago, West Virginia was a blue state. Most of this shift stems from the decay of the Rust Belt, which NAFTA accelerated and Republicans effectively campaigned against.

The irony is that, if I'm remembering correctly, NAFTA was the brain child of Reagan and then HW, Clinton just happened to be the one who signed it in to law. Also, I think more Republicans than Democrats voted for the actual bill.

That doesn't change any of the facts of what you are saying nor contradict you in any way, just reminder that no one remembers who conceived what or who voted for what, they only remember who was in power when the what happened. Word to the Bay of Pigs

 

[Pressure]

sounds like you don't spend a lot of time around white working class republicans/conservatives and I love that for you

they literally breathe that shyt and drag queens reading to children

Yea, didn't we just get a bunch of leaked texts?

 

[Loose]

The irony is that, if I'm remembering correctly, NAFTA was the brain child of Reagan and then HW, Clinton just happened to be the one who signed it in to law. Also, I think more Republicans than Democrats voted for the actual bill.

That doesn't change any of the facts of what you are saying nor contradict you in any way, just reminder that no one remembers who conceived what or who voted for what, they only remember who was in power when the what happened. Word to the Bay of Pigs

It's sort've like how Trump was pushing and threatening china about banning tiktok yet biden carried the water for republicans and actually signed the bill

 

[88m3]

 

[mastermind]

They've been trending this way since NAFTA, essentially. Obama was a generational candidate who energized low-information voters in massive numbers—similar to Trump. We've lost states like Ohio, which is in the North, to Republicans. Hell, 25 years ago, West Virginia was a blue state. Most of this shift stems from the decay of the Rust Belt, which NAFTA accelerated and Republicans effectively campaigned against.

America began deinsdustrializing in the late 60s and we finally began feeling it in the 80s. And then those free trade deals in the 90s and this century began.

There are a lot of racist and sexist people in America, but pretending that the anger is just due to racism and sexism and not that the social contract was broken is delusional. You could have a middle class life on one salary and pay for college yourself, debt free. You can’t do that in 2025 and the undercurrent of a lot of the anger from everyone is that betrayal. Peoples lives have gotten worse and those in power want us to blame each other and not them.

If a Democratic candidate started to demonize the billionaires and blame them for our problems and have a clear plan on how to fix it, people would see thru the divisive talk. Dems have not offered a transformationally positive economic agenda since Lyndon Johnson.

 

[Ozymandeas]

 

[Loose]

I agree with Hasan—using Black issues to defend Israel, an anti-Black country, is fukking nuts. It cheapens our plight and gives racists like JD Vance talking points to justify their fight against DEI.

 

[King Kreole]

If a Democratic candidate started to demonize the billionaires and blame them for our problems and have a clear plan on how to fix it, people would see thru the divisive talk. Dems have not offered a transformationally positive economic agenda since Lyndon Johnson.

This is the thing.

These guys say "oh, all these voters are mad that Dems only care about fringe things like trannies and illegals!...but we can't give the voters anything big and transformative to vote for because...the public is irredeemably racist and sexist and evil...except for when the multiple times they've voted for Democrats in the recent past...so shut up about criticisms of the Democratic establishment, we're the adults in the room...also Israel has a right to defend itself by bombing children."

Like if their two existing braincells could establish a connection, they would realize that it's the milquetoast centrism they've been pushing that has opened the door to that criticism from the voters they're complaining about.

 

[mastermind]

This is the thing.

These guys say "oh, all these voters are mad that Dems only care about fringe things like trannies and illegals!...but we can't give the voters anything big and transformative to vote for because...the public is irredeemably racist and sexist and evil...except for when the multiple times they've voted for Democrats in the recent past...so shut up about criticisms of the Democratic establishment, we're the adults in the room...also Israel has a right to defend itself by bombing children."

Like if their two existing braincells could establish a connection, they would realize that it's the milquetoast centrism they've been pushing that has opened the door to that criticism from the voters they're complaining about.

The issue is these posters really believe they are the elite and establishment and align with their views… just like the yokels they think they are better than do with the GOP.

I don’t even blame them or think it’s their faults. We have literally been taught that we shouldn’t ask for more and just believe what the a$$holes in power say.