The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread
They refuse to blame Hamas
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
Food for thought
www.nytimes.com
Opinion | The Political Future of Palestinians, According to Palestinians
Times Opinion spoke to five Palestinian scholars and analysts about what they believe the future holds for their people.
We all are wrong time to time but keeping it a buck that is a life defining L right there
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Eh, ok sure I won't quibble with the language here. Biden aided and abetted a genocide.
If Harris won she would have been rewarded for playing political games with Palestinian lives as well. This is my point, the Harris campaign made sure that there was no pro-Palestinian option on the ballot.
Well yes, that's the point of a hypothetical. If you want more specifics, let's say the Harris campaign enacts a ban on any black person from appearing on stage at the DNC, removes any policy from her platform that was designed to redress any harms specifically done to the black community, refuses to meet with any black civil rights organizations. And imagine all of this was taking place during a wave of mass shootings targeting black gatherings where the shooters were being funnelled weapons by the Biden-Harris administration. Would you be criticizing black voters for not being motivated to turn out for the Harris campaign in this hypothetical?
I don't think we're seeing that yet.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
That hypothetical is too outlandish and isn’t analogous to what actually happened. Kamala would undoubtedly be worse for the black community than the 2024 Trump campaign. Even you concede that Kamala would have been better for Gaza than Trump.
A better hypothetical would be if Kamala froze out Black Lives Matter if there was George Floyd type civil unrest in 2024, in that scenario black people should still vote for Kamala over Trump.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Trump Receives Golden Pager Gift From Netanyahu
The strange-looking gift commemorates Israel’s attack on Hezbollah operatives last fall using thousands of explosive pagers and walkie-talkies.
www.twz.com
umm...
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
The Blogs: Hamas killed Thai nationals deliberately
The terrorists called to the workers from Thailand in their native tongue to lure them out of hiding, only to kill them or take them hostage
blogs.timesofisrael.com
@Mister Terrific
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
So we're not talking talking about Trump demanding all hostages and bodies are released by Saturday?
I figured the expectation was at least the 3. Is this being widely reported?
I figured the expectation was at least the 3. Is this being widely reported?
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
No, the hypothetical is pretty much exactly analogous to what actually happened. What's happened in Gaza wasn't just an overpoliced response to mass protests, it's a fukking genocide where hundreds of thousands of people have been exterminated. The Harris campaign actually barred any Palestinians from appearing on stage at the DNC. The Harris campaign actually refused to consider the sole policy request coming from the anti-genocide activists. The Harris campaign actually refused to meet with the Uncommitted Movement. The Biden-Harris administration actually funnelled the arms to the Israelis that were being used to commit genocide and the Harris campaign actually refused to commit to conditioning those arms. If anything, the hypothetical is being too generous to the Harris camp because it wasn't just a series of mass . It wasn't just a wave of mass shootings targeting Palestinian, it was an active genocide and ethnic cleansing to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dead Palestinians.
I don't think Kamala would be undoubtedly worse for the black community under my hypothetical, it's not too far off from what Trump's actual position is. But it would definitely drive down the stakes of the election by making the differences between the candidates not that salient. Which is the point of the hypothetical. The actual, real life actions of the Biden-Harris administration made it nearly impossible to claim they would be better than Trump on this issue, because they were actively doing the shyt they said Trump would do. Which is why the bonehead DNC shytposters in here kept making the idiotic argument that "genocide is better than genocide+" should be a winning message for the voters who view Palestinians as human beings, instead of just demanding their candidate stop supporting genocide. And why we're now getting inundated with their idiotic screeds about how ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from Gaza is a magnitudes worse crime than murdering them. You don't have to think Trump would be better than Kamala to understand that Kamala was fatally horrendous on this issue. And going back to the hypothetical, I highly doubt you would be making these arguments if it was Black Americans on the receiving end of the Harris campaign's approach to this instead of Palestinians.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
Your hypothetical isn’t analogous because you keep ignoring why the conflict started in the near term.
In your hypothetical what did black Americans do that’s equivalent to October 7th?
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
For the sake of the hypothetical, let's say the bloods read some Eldridge Cleaver and Huey Newton and shot up a police station and killed 10 officers and their family. And in response the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers in conjunction with local police departments have been going on a mass killing rampage in black churches and schools killing 10,000 black people and counting. And the Biden-Harris administration has been supplying them with the arms to do those mass killings, and refused to meet with the NAACP or commit to stop funding the police and white supremacists groups doing these revenge killings, and every time they're asked about these ongoing mass killings they start by saying how the police need to be respected and how much of a tragedy it was that those 10 officers and their family were killed.
Are you chastising black voters for not coming out to support that campaign?
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
Still not analogous, how would the Biden administration funnel funds and arms to the white supremacist groups?
For the sake of the hypothetical, let's say the bloods read some Eldridge Cleaver and Huey Newton and shot up a police station and killed 10 officers and their family. And in response the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers in conjunction with local police departments have been going on a mass killing rampage in black churches and schools killing 10,000 black people and counting. And the Biden-Harris administration has been supplying them with the arms to do those mass killings, and refused to meet with the NAACP or commit to stop funding the police and white supremacists groups doing these revenge killings, and every time they're asked about these ongoing mass killings they start by saying how the police need to be respected and how much of a tragedy it was that those 10 officers and their family were killed.
Are you chastising black voters for not coming out to support that campaign?
Hamas killed thousands and also held hostages, your analogy doesn’t reach the same threshold.
a more analogous example would be if Biden administration funded Afrikaner’s resistance group if black South Africans killed thousands of them, took their land and then held others hostage. Should black Americans still support Kamala over Trump? Yes
And we still don’t know if it’s noon Saturday eastern time or local time!So we're not talking talking about Trump demanding all hostages and bodies are released by Saturday?
I figured the expectation was at least the 3. Is this being widely reported?
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
And we still don’t know if it’s noon Saturday eastern time or local time!
might've been last Saturday Pacific time as I'm reading Israel is mobilizing their reserves
Hamas goofed