88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I think he's focused on destroying I mean negotiating on behalf of himself for Ukraine right now but he always puts his best foot forward. So there's that at least
The Official Israel-Gaza Thread
I think he's focused on destroying I mean negotiating on behalf of himself for Ukraine right now but he always puts his best foot forward. So there's that at least
NZA
LOL
Live Emergency Rally: Stop The Genocide in Gaza
Thousands are marching in NYC and across the world as the one year mark of Israel's genocide in Gaza approaches. Watch the rally LIVE beginning 6pm ET
www.youtube.com
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Hamas shouldn't have picked this fight unless they were really prepared to take it all the way like you guys on the internet
RIP
Every civilian death is needless
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
For the life of me I cannot understand why your ire is not pointed at the people in power who unnecessarily put moral-minded people in this Saw-esque trolley problem where they had to step over the mangled and mutilated bodies of children to cast a vote against fascism. The Democratic Party leadership and candidates were the ones with the power to change the calculus and avoid this disgusting dilemma that ended up producing failure anyway. They are the ones who failed us, not the relatively powerless individual voters who couldn't bring themselves to case a vote in favor of genocide because genocide+ was the other option. I did phone banking for Harris and had to quit because I knew there was no good answer to this, and when me and some of the other volunteers asked our Phone Bank Captain what the campaign's position on this was, she basically gave us this:
You should be livid with the President and Candidate who unnecessarily chose to fight the election on these immoral and ineffective grounds. They fukked us all. Not the public school teacher making $65K who couldn't bring herself to vote for the President and candidate who enabled a third grade classroom like her own to be blown to smithereens. Not the RN who refused to vote for the President and candidate who gave cover to the people bombing hospitals full of the sick and injured and allowing NICU babies to decompose in their incubators. Not the 19 year old college student who saw a video of a wailing man their father's age holding the lifeless body of his 7 year old child, the same age as their little sibling, and decided they can't vote for President and candidate who have pledged to continue sending the weapons to make that evacuated that child's brain from their skull.
I don't understand how you can blame these people for not voting for the candidate instead of blaming the candidate and leadership for putting these people in a position where voting for them was morally untenable.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
The response of someone with a deep spiritual sickness. Take your "thoughts and prayers" and shove them up your fukking ass.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
I’ll explain to you my logic. Feel free to debunk my logic but please do it without appealing to emotion. My sour grapes for Trump winning off the backs of people who withheld that vote makes it hard for me to feel empathetic.For the life of me I cannot understand why your ire is not pointed at the people in power who unnecessarily put moral-minded people in this Saw-esque trolley problem where they had to step over the mangled and mutilated bodies of children to cast a vote against fascism. The Democratic Party leadership and candidates were the ones with the power to change the calculus and avoid this disgusting dilemma that ended up producing failure anyway. They are the ones who failed us, not the relatively powerless individual voters who couldn't bring themselves to case a vote in favor of genocide because genocide+ was the other option. I did phone banking for Harris and had to quit because I knew there was no good answer to this, and when me and some of the other volunteers asked our Phone Bank Captain what the campaign's position on this was, she basically gave us this:
You should be livid with the President and Candidate who unnecessarily chose to fight the election on these immoral and ineffective grounds. They fukked us all. Not the public school teacher making $65K who couldn't bring herself to vote for the President and candidate who enabled a third grade classroom like her own to be blown to smithereens. Not the RN who refused to vote for the President and candidate who gave cover to the people bombing hospitals full of the sick and injured and allowing NICU babies to decompose in their incubators. Not the 19 year old college student who saw a video of a wailing man their father's age holding the lifeless body of his 7 year old child, the same age as their little sibling, and decided they can't vote for President and candidate who have pledged to continue sending the weapons to make that evacuated that child's brain from their skull.
I don't understand how you can blame these people for not voting for the candidate instead of blaming the candidate and leadership for putting these people in a position where voting for them was morally untenable.
1) I have a utilitarian morality especially when it comes to politics. I think the outcomes of decisions is the most important consideration and not how you “feel” about something. When people say that you should allow people who withheld their vote to be emotional and drag us down with them because of the circumstance, I completely dismiss that.
2) liberals tried to stress to those who withheld their vote for Gaza that Trump would be worse for the entire world let alone Gaza. As we can see that is correct. You may not believe it, but it’s my view that Trump/Republicans sabotaged the ceasefire talks with Bibi behind the scenes and only allowed a ceasefire after the election to make Trump look good. If my theory is true then those who withheld their vote rewarded Trump for playing them like pawns.
3) Israel and Biden didn’t start the conflict on October 7th. Yes Israel is a piece of shyt apartheid state and I think Palestine should have its own territory and autonomy but hamas started the conflict in 2023 which led to the genocide.
If a Latin American cartel went into Texas and killed thousands of people the country would be glass the next week and we wouldn’t be calling it a genocide. If hamas didn’t attack Israel hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would be alive today. We can’t ignore that fact yet nobody who held their vote for Gaza acknowledges Hamas role when they call Biden a genocidal maniac.
4) Israel has a veto proof uniparty majority in congress. If Biden or Kamala would have stood up to Israel in the way the activist wanted that would have been political suicide because congress would have just overrode them, they would look feckless and right wing/corporate media would crucify them. Trump would be guaranteed victory.
5) complete unwillingness to hold republicans to account. Republicans funded the genocide as well and Trump only indicated he would support Israel even more yet they received no smoke from activist but more than willing to damage Kamala’s campaign.
6)in summary those who withheld their vote should have known better but they were blinded by their emotion and have aided in dooming America to a fascist hell.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
I understand your utilitarian morality. I'm questioning where you're apportioning the blame for the outcome. You're blaming individual voters for not voting for the candidate, and I'm saying the blame is better placed at the candidate and political leadership who made voting for them such an unappealing, immoral proposition. This country is (allegedly) a liberal democracy, voting isn't mandatory. If Kamala came out in favor of banning abortion or stop-and-frisk, she would lose support as well, but it's hard for me to believe you would be blaming pregnant women and victims of police brutality for not universally supporting her. The candidate's job is to promote good policies and appeal to the public. On the issue of Israel-Palestine, Kamala failed on both counts.
I also tried to stress to people who were withholding their vote on this issue that Trump would be worse, but it became a degrading affair when the candidate was doing her damndest to nullify that argument. And it was a barely credible proposition in the first place. I don't agree that we've seen that to be correct, seeing as under Trump the ceasefire took hold and the rate of killing went down dramatically compared to Biden's time presiding over this conflict. It's simply not true that the past few months have been the worst period of this conflict. Whether or not Trump/Republicans sabotaged the ceasefire talks behind the scenes is quite irrelevant, seeing as the criticisms of Biden were centered around his own actions. If he had immediately distanced himself from Bibi and the Zionist atrocities, and took the path that the rest of the international community took, he wouldn't have faced nearly the amount of ire. The United States is not (supposed to be) a vassal state of Israel, Biden had autonomy to pursue his own foreign policy. He was not forced to support this genocide, he chose to. And even if Trump was sabotaging the talks, how does that excuse the Biden administration time after time after time carrying Israel's water and refusing to pull back their support? If Bibi was in cahoots with his political enemy, why the fukk wouldn't Biden push the brakes? Your theory makes Biden look even worse.
These wide-scale protests against Biden and Israel didn't start on October 7th. Or October 8th. Or October 9th. Or October 10th. They started when Israel started going fukking OD and indiscriminately bombing the shyt out of civilian areas. And Biden wasn't even really getting the brunt of the protests until he started going OD making up shyt to support the Zionist lies and refusing to condemn the Israeli atrocities.
And there's no such thing as being culpable for starting your own genocide. The October 7th attack only led to the Palestinian genocide because Zionism is a genocidal ideology.
I don't know if your Latin American cartel situation would qualify as a genocide, but it would 1000% qualify as crimes against humanity and would deserve as much protest and outrage as the Israelis and America have received. Murderously annihilating thousands of innocent Latin American children, women and men in revenge for the work of the cartel would be considered completely unacceptable by all legal and moral standards.
The reticence of anti-war protestors to center the culpability of Hamas in the genocide of Palestinians is because it's a rhetorical trick used by Zionists to escape responsibility for their own actions. If the Israelis never responded to Hamas' attack by launching a magnitudes worse genocidal campaign, they wouldn't be getting half of the flack and protest they've been getting. People justifiably have a hard time focusing on someone stealing from a store when there's a mass shooter on the loose. And whatever role Hamas has to play in this conflict naturally has less salience to the withholding voter because their political leadership have not been sending Hamas unlimited munitions and political cover. You're responsible for the actions of your own government, and this government has been supporting the more murderous side in this conflict.
This is on the political cowardice and incompetence of Biden and Kamala if they were unable to make standing up to genocide a politically tenable position. Override from a Congress with historically low approval ratings isn't a political death sentence if you know how to effectively communicate your position. In fact, it could be a politically galvanizing event. That's if you actually give a shyt about governing. Instead, the Biden-Harris administration ended up looking completely feckless because they were servile to a genocidal foreign nation, got crucified by right wing media for presiding over mass civic protests and unrest that they were pathetically trying to both-sides, and ended up losing to Trump anyway.
For the 1000th time, the protestors were not deciding between supporting Republicans and supporting Democrats, they were deciding between supporting Democrats or sitting out. The only people giving Republicans a pass are the Centrist-Liberal faction who chose to platform them during the campaign. The Republican Party is not a viable vehicle through which the protestors/leftists are hoping to exercise their political program. They're defined opposition. The Democrats, for better or worse, are not. So being mad that Mike Johnson (a man who welcomes the hatred of the left) isn't getting as much smoke from the left as Joe Biden (the man many of the protestors/left voted for!) is nonsensical. Republicans don't even pretend to be against things like this genocide, so critiques are only going to go so far from people who have already written you off.
Also, the Presidency is obviously a much higher focal point for public attention - for good things and bad things - than any congressional office. They're the face of the country, especially in the realm of foreign policy. Which is why Biden, the sitting President who supported this genocide, became the face of America's complicity in this atrocity for the protestors. This is always how it's been. Now that Trump is President, you're seeing the protestors focus in on Trump as the face of America's foreign policy.
In terms of the culpability rankings of the people who doomed America to a fascist hell, anti-war protestors withholding their vote because they were unwilling to be forced into an immoral trolley game of cosigning the mass murder of innocent children are very, very, very far down the list. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris - the people who were actually in charge of the doomed campaign that thought it would be a good idea to gamble with America's future by trying to lock people into this horrific choice - are pretty high up the list.
You may call it being blinded by emotion. I call it being guided by morality. I don't know about you, but I'm not voting for the person who killed my family, man. It is what it is. I don't care whose on the other side of the ballot. You lost my vote if you murder my family. Democrats should do with that what they will. Ideally they'll stop killing people's families and expecting their vote.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
It was def intentional and they won’t even lie about it this time.
voltronblack
Superstar
This is another shocking development absolutely no one could have predicted once Trump took over.them moving them is not going to be temporary
