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Hamas better give up all the hostages. No one has time for a halfway peace deal.
 

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Hamas better give up all the hostages. No one has time for a halfway peace deal.
Right. Iran should rehouse Hamas and these other extremists if they can't live peacefully. No more wars!




Why is the war in Gaza still on?

Israel could have entered, toppled Hamas in a month, and established a different regime, not necessarily the Palestinian Authority. But that was never the real purpose.

The purpose is genocide. The destruction of the Palestinian people in Gaza is not a side effect, it is the central aim. It is not a reluctant option, it is a driving urge. But Israel knows it must be carried out carefully. One hundred thousand slaughtered in a single day would look bad, it would force the world to say ok you had the revenge, it would shorten the war. Instead, the plan is methodical, deliberate, step by step.

Keeping hostages in Gaza serves Israel’s interests. It is the perfect card to play: the refrain that the war cannot end until every hostage is home. But they know the truth. Many of those hostages are already dead, buried in unknown places. That is not the obstacle.

The real reason is simple. Israel needs the hostages to remain in Hamas’s hands because their existence justifies the continuation of the war. Israel have admitted it openly: even if Hamas were to release every hostage tomorrow, Israel would not stop. The war is not about the hostages. It is about erasing Gaza

The first objective is to wipe out Gaza’s civil infrastructure. From settlers from Sde Boas brought to demolish Rafah, to armed terrorists like Koko from the hilltops sent to destroy the only dialysis hospital in northern Gaza. From celebrating the demolition of water stations as a Shabbat ritual, to ensuring that no neighborhood remains inhabitable. Even Erez Winner, the general who designed the southern command’s operations, admitted only days ago that Gaza is being rendered unlivable by design.

The second objective is to eliminate Gaza’s educated class, the qualitative core of its people. Killing two million outright would not serve their purpose; it would only generate survivors and witnesses filled with hatred. The focus is instead on doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers those who sustain society. Think of the Israeli sniper who shot dead the only surgeon in northern Gaza back in the General’s. plan in Nov 2024. Think of the Givati soldier who told us directly that his commander ordered, “Destroy the neighborhood,” so that Palestinians can never return.

The motive behind both objectives is clear: Gaza must be emptied of Palestinians. The strip must be flattened, barren, erased. This is genocide, pure and simple. Sixty thousand are already dead, with hundreds of thousands more missing or wounded, but the goal is far greater. A million dead would mean millions more scarred survivors who will remember who destroyed them. Israel wants nothing left. No people. No homes. No future.

This is why the war drags on. It is not a battle against Hamas, it is collective punishment. The targets are children, women, civilians every last one of them. Hamas is the excuse, the cover story. Every week or two, Israel announces it has discovered another tunnel. Every month, it parades the seizure of two Kalashnikovs. These rituals are not about security, they are about whitewashing, about convincing their own people that the war still has a purpose.

Look at Khizaa in eastern Khan Younis. The entire town was wiped out. Afterwards, Israel declared, “We found a tunnel.” But the tunnel was not even inside the town. It was nonfunctional, its location already known, and five Hamas fighters had been killed there back in January 2024. Only in June 2025, two weeks after publicly announcing that tunnel’s elimination, Israel used it again as justification: “Dear Israelis, here is our reason.” And in the meantime, hospitals, schools, farms, cultural centers everything was erased, not for security, not for defense, but simply to leave nothing standing.

The message could not be clearer: you must leave. And if you refuse, then everything around you will be obliterated. And. If you then don’t you will be eliminated.
 

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So basically Israel is using the hostages to push another agenda? Why did Hamas give Israel the excuse to use the hostages for this purpose? Are we now saying Hamas is a branch of the mossad agency? I'm not sure I understand this line of thinking....
 

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So basically Israel is using the hostages to push another agenda? Why did Hamas give Israel the excuse to use the hostages for this purpose? Are we now saying Hamas is a branch of the mossad agency? I'm not sure I understand this line of thinking....
 

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Why did Hamas take hostages for Israel to do this? Shouldn't that be the question we should be answering?
You aren’t going to get the answer you’re looking for from people who celebrated the hamas attack
Hamas shouldn't have taken hostages. IT IS A WAR CRIME. Quit going back to October 7 and deal with the HERE AND NOW of what is happening. You're talking to ME. I am NOT someone who celebrated the attack.

Smotrich is the Finance Minister. He is telling you what the goal is. IDF soldiers are telling journalists that the goal was never about releasing the hostages. It is to make Gaza uninhabitable. Displacement, Occupation, and Resettlement is the goal.

If the goal was the hostages, this would have ended in late 2023.

By all measures, Israel has gone way beyond a retaliation.

So stop this stupid talking point. You don't want to talk about what Smotrich and Ben Gvir are saying every single day. Telling you what time it is.



 

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I think everyone knows what time it is. We knew what time it would be years ago and more concretely, several months ago. The actual question is what can be done now, considering who is in power, to alter this course? Otherwise you are going to just be reposting the same Twitter threads over and over for the next several months.
 

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ou aren’t going to get the answer you’re looking for from people who celebrated the hamas attack
This is a completely unserious post. The only people who celebrated Hamas' Oct. 7 attack have not been on here for at least months. You are full of shyt.

These demons talking about genocide and ethnic cleansing, and yet you aren't critical of that but are critical of some old people you can't even remember who used to post in this thread.

I cannot understand how anyone can really sit here and just be cool with ethnic cleansing and genocide just because of some fukking internet posters. What the fukk is wrong with you?
 

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This is a completely unserious post. The only people who celebrated Hamas' Oct. 7 attack have not been on here for at least months. You are full of shyt.

These demons talking about genocide and ethnic cleansing, and yet you aren't critical of that but are critical of some old people you can't even remember who used to post in this thread.

I cannot understand how anyone can really sit here and just be cool with ethnic cleansing and genocide just because of some fukking internet posters. What the fukk is wrong with you?
On schedule the guy that not only thought of the statement, but felt confident enough to post it on to a message board, that Arabic voters were indicated by the election of Donald Trump, is calling people unserious again.
 
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