The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[ADevilYouKhow]

Israel launches strikes in Gaza ceasefire’s latest test as hospitals say 24 killed

Israel launches strikes in Gaza ceasefire's latest test as hospitals say 24 killed

Israel's military says it has launched new airstrikes against Hamas militants in Gaza, testing the ceasefire that began on Oct. 10.

apnews.com

Ceasefire means something completely different these days

World Bank, UN and EU raise estimated cost of Gaza reconstruction to $70 billion

UN official says 'we are capable' of rebuilding Strip but 'the conditions have to be right. We need the hostages released, the bodies released

www.timesofisrael.com

Should the American taxpayer pick up the tab for reconstruction and rearming Hamas and Islamic Jihad?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

World Bank, UN and EU raise estimated cost of Gaza reconstruction to $70 billion

UN official says 'we are capable' of rebuilding Strip but 'the conditions have to be right. We need the hostages released, the bodies released

www.timesofisrael.com

Should the American taxpayer pick up the tab for reconstruction and rearming Hamas and Islamic Jihad?

Are all Gazans Islamic Jihad and Hamas?

 

[Pressure]

Are all Gazans Islamic Jihad and Hamas?

For all intents and purposes since 07 all of Gaza was Hamas

 

[MAKAVELI25]

For all intents and purposes since 07 all of Gaza was Hamas

So we're all MAGA then, because we elected Trump?

 

[Pressure]

So we're all MAGA then, because we elected Trump?

We would be if we not longer had elections and supported him for a decade afterwards. Hana’s should have no place in the future of Gaza.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Are all Gazans Islamic Jihad and Hamas?

Do they have that freedom of association?
I’ve read that Hamas is engaging in running gun battles and street executions to “reassert their control” of Gaza currently but maybe we could focus on pre October 8?

Anyways noted that you ignored my original question and it’s a weird sidebar you’re aiming to create.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

We would be if we not longer had elections and supported him for a decade afterwards

Like half of the population in Gaza is under 18, they were not even old enough to vote in that 2007 election. Also, have they no longer had elections because that was the will of the people? Is that what you are claiming?

 

[Pressure]

Like half of the population in Gaza is under 18, they were not even old enough to vote in that 2007 election. Also, have they no longer had elections because that was the will of the people? Is that what you are claiming?

You’re making an assumption and a lot of straw men.

I’m simply stating the fact that it’s unlikely you’re going to find a meaningful distinction between Hamas and the average Gaza’s when the average Gaza’s by and large supported the oct 7 attack and still largely maintain supportive views if Hamas.

Without specific safeguards, why should we assume this situation would be any different than Afghanistan’s?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Do they have that freedom of association?

Anyways noted that you ignored my original question and it’s a weird sidebar you’re aiming to create.

Well, let's address your original question then. We're the primary benefactors and supporters of the state that has maintained an illegal and oppressive occupation over them for decades. When that same state unleashed a genocidal torrent of violence against them, primarily killing women and children, and forcing a famine, we continued to arm them and cover for them in multilateral institutions. We are sanctioning members of the ICJ on behalf of them, we are also creating an environment in our own country where it is de facto illegal to criticize that same state, even though we have a first amendment that was designed to protect that kind of speech.

So you tell me, do we owe the inhabitants of Gaza anything?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

You’re making an assumption and a lot of straw men.

I’m simply stating the fact that it’s unlikely you’re going to find a meaningful distinction between Hamas and the average Gaza’s when the average Gaza’s by and large supported the oct 7 attack and still largely maintain supportive views if Hamas.

Without specific safeguards, why should we assume this situation would be any different than Afghanistan’s?

What assumptions and strawmen am I making? You're the one claiming that all of Gazans are, for all intents and purposes Hamas (one of the dumbest things I've ever read), and yet you have the gall to claim that I'm the one making assumptions and strawmen?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Well, let's address your original question then. We're the primary benefactors and supporters of the state that has maintained an illegal and oppressive occupation over them for decades. When that same state unleashed a genocidal torrent of violence against them, primarily killing women and children, and forcing a famine, we continued to arm them and cover for them in multilateral institutions. We are sanctioning members of the ICJ on behalf of them, we are also creating an environment in our own country where it is de facto illegal to criticize that same state, even though we have a first amendment that was designed to protect that kind of speech.

So you tell me, do we owe the inhabitants of Gaza anything?

That’s quite the word salad. What I think you’re saying is that the US isn’t dissimilar from Hamas so if that’s the case the US would owe Gaza nothing. That’s an interesting way to look at things. Thanks

 

[MAKAVELI25]

That’s quite the word salad. What I think you’re saying is that the US isn’t dissimilar from Hamas so if that’s the case we would owe Gaza nothing. That’s an interesting way to look at things. Thanks

No, that not what I'm saying, you passive aggressive p*ssy. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension and not sounding like a catty bytch.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Should we give Hamas 70,000,000,000.00 in US taxpayer dollars? The last American they kidnapped and murdered was returned last week.

Flip a coin?

Also that amount will likely double or better

 

[Pressure]

What assumptions and strawmen am I making? You're the one claiming that all of Gazans are, for all intents and purposes Hamas (one of the dumbest things I've ever read), and yet you have the gall to claim that I'm the one making assumptions and strawmen?

The straw man you crested was asking if ALL gazans were Islamic jihad and hamas in response to the statement that we should not allow the rebuilding effort rearm hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza.

I decided to play along to see if you would reframe your retort after realizing what you were doing and you didn't.

So here we are.

Now we can all accept that all Gazans aren't Islamic Jihad or Hamas. What does that or any of the other statements you've made in succession show that we should have no concerns about Hamas maintain a footprint and reaming like the Taliban?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

No, that not what I'm saying, you passive aggressive p*ssy. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension and not sounding like a catty bytch.

Ultimately Hamas was the aggressor and lost this conflict maybe Hamas should pay Israel for their damages and losses and rebuild Gaza alone. I’m sure if the gulf states and Iran were willing to repatriate the funds that the Hamas leadership looted that could go a long way in making everyone whole. Also a lot of those guys are dead now so it’s not like they need that money anymore.