The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[King Kreole]

If only they could foresee this fate before the election instead of focusing on holier than thou clout

Posts like this make it hard to reach any other conclusion than you guys are trying to recover your moral disgrace from gleefully disregarding (if not outright supporting) a genocide for ostensibly pragmatic reasons that ended up being utterly hollow because you didn't even win the election anyway. So you ended up trading in your honor and moral sensibility for a loss, and are now left with nothing.

Next time, try subordinating your "pragmatism" to a moral core and you won't be left stalking your desolate interior landscape begging for water from the well of unreality.

 

[Outlaw]

Posts like this make it hard to reach any other conclusion than you guys are trying to recover your moral disgrace from gleefully disregarding (if not outright supporting) a genocide for ostensibly pragmatic reasons that ended up being utterly hollow because you didn't even win the election anyway. So you ended up trading in your honor and moral sensibility for a loss, and are now left with nothing.

Next time, try subordinating your "pragmatism" to a moral core and you won't be left stalking your desolate interior landscape begging for water from the well of unreality.

What I said stroke a cord because deep down you know what I’m saying is true.

All the activist passion for Gaza absolutely died when Kamala lost the election.

There’s no other rational explanation for that reality other than most of the activists were doing it for clout or some other insincere reason

Ironically your meme applies to your stance more than mine.

If abstentia led to Trump winning with not only more genocide in Gaza but more mass deaths globally that eclipsed the deaths in Gaza with the ending of USAID then what good is abstentia?

 

[King Kreole]

What I said stroke a cord because deep down you know what I’m saying is true.

What you said struck a chord with me because it was a spectacle of moral calamity.

All the activist passion for Gaza absolutely died when Kamala lost the election.

Incorrect. There have been hundreds of protests, rallies and protest actions on behalf of this issue since Kamala lost the election, so you cannot say the activist passion for Gaza "absolutely" died. That you're not seeing them is an indictment on your media diet. If you want to say that there is less mainstream attention to this issue since the narrative of Democratic infighting is more appealing to the Zionist-inclined media than the "hens protests fox" angle that Trump's victory brought about, I would agree.

There’s no other rational explanation for that reality other than most of the activists were doing it for clout or some other insincere reason

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

Outlaw's Brain: "...but what if the millions of people saying I'm a monster for supporting a genocide are all actually just insincere clout chasers? Surely they all secretly agree with me that Palestinian lives are actually not worth much...because if they didn't, then that means I'm a bad person...and I must be a good person for the sake of my ego. I don't actually have to confront the actions and beliefs that brought me to this point if I can just impugn the motivations behind the charge. Yes, yes, this is a much safer path for me."

Outlaw's mouth: "The protestors claiming to be disgusted at children having their heads blown off are all lying because they're paid Chinese agents whose only goal is to destroy me and my beloved country."

Ironically your meme applies to your stance more than mine.

Nuh-uh.

If abstentia led to Trump winning with not only more genocide in Gaza but more mass deaths globally that eclipsed the deaths in Gaza with the ending of USAID then what good is abstentia?

Again, you're already lost if you're using the term "more genocide". There are many people who voted for Kamala Harris who disagree with your position. Your moral compass is depolarized, brother.

 

[Outlaw]

What you said struck a chord with me because it was a spectacle of moral calamity.


Incorrect. There have been hundreds of protests, rallies and protest actions on behalf of this issue since Kamala lost the election, so you cannot say the activist passion for Gaza "absolutely" died. That you're not seeing them is an indictment on your media diet. If you want to say that there is less mainstream attention to this issue since the narrative of Democratic infighting is more appealing to the Zionist-inclined media than the "hens protests fox" angle that Trump's victory brought about, I would agree.


Psychological projection - Wikipedia

Outlaw's Brain: "...but what if the millions of people saying I'm a monster for supporting a genocide are all actually just insincere clout chasers? Surely they all secretly agree with me that Palestinian lives are actually not worth much...because if they didn't, then that means I'm a bad person...and I must be a good person for the sake of my ego. I don't actually have to confront the actions and beliefs that brought me to this point if I can just impugn the motivations behind the charge. Yes, yes, this is a much safer path for me."

Outlaw's mouth: "The protestors claiming to be disgusted at children having their heads blown off are all lying because they're paid Chinese agents whose only goal is to destroy me and my beloved country."


Nuh-uh.


Again, you're already lost if you're using the term "more genocide". There are many people who voted for Kamala Harris who disagree with your position. Your moral compass is depolarized, brother.

My moral compass is harm reduction, and utilitarianism, anything else is subjective and can lead to you mentally twisting yourself into a pretzel where you stay at home when Trump is on the ballot.

This is the catch 22 that I can’t understand.

The Gaza is my number one issue electorate still think they have the moral high ground when the entire world under American influence is going to shyt right now.

What good is your morality when it can lead to worse outcomes for the majority? The majority you supposedly care about?

You realize there is no sky daddy out there keeping score right?

 

[Loose]

point scoring over a genocide is the discourse you expect from the genocide deniers in here

Its on par for them, absolute sick individuals

" israel has now bought several social media platforms, deplatformed and killed journalist hahaha see you didn't care"
Sick people

 

[Outlaw]

Its on par for them, absolute sick individuals

" israel has now bought several social media platforms, deplatformed and killed journalist hahaha see you didn't care"
Sick people

Thank you for admitting that you need social media engineering to care

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

United Arab Emirates plans to bankroll first ‘planned community’ in south Gaza — Guardian US

Exclusive: Blueprints describe a ‘case study’ community where residents submit biometric data to gain entry

apple.news

 

[Loose]

Thank you for admitting that you need social media engineering to care

Israel has slaughtered 90% of reputable journalists on the ground are you retarded ? I generally can't believe someone is this sick in head

 

[Outlaw]

Israel has slaughtered 90% of reputable journalists on the ground are you retarded ? I generally can't believe someone is this sick in head

In your faux outrage you still craft a strawman.

If your claim is true that should be even more reason for activist unrest during the Trump administration right?

We haven’t forgot you wished terrorist attacks and chattel slavery on posters for disagreeing you

 

[Loose]

In your faux outrage you still craft a strawman.

Calling you a idiot is underselling your lack of iq

If your claim is true that should be even more reason for activist unrest during the Trump administration right?

The same trump administration that has deported jailed and imprisoned protesters? The same type of authoritarianism you was clapping like a seal for 2 years ago when protestors was showing up at colleges ?

We haven’t forgot you wished terrorist attacks and chattel slavery on posters for disagreeing you

Non-sequitur the poster.

 

[Outlaw]

Calling you a idiot is underselling your lack of iq


The same trump administration that has deported jailed and imprisoned protesters? The same type of authoritarianism you was clapping like a seal for 2 years ago when protestors was showing up at colleges ?

Non-sequitur the poster.

You should quit your day job and go into comedy full time.

Addressing the fact that you said posters who disagreed with you should experience terrorism and slavery as a non-sequitur is peak comedy

It wasn’t a non-sequitur by the way because you said I was sick in the head and I said that’s rich coming from a guy who thinks chattel slavery is a just punishment for someone who disagrees with you

 

[King Kreole]

My moral compass is harm reduction, and utilitarianism, anything else is subjective and can lead to you mentally twisting yourself into a pretzel where you stay at home when Trump is on the ballot.

Sometimes you can just say "raping a child is unacceptable". You don't actually need to do game theory conditional qualifications for evil actions. Sometimes you can just have a moral line.

This is the catch 22 that I can’t understand.

The Gaza is my number one issue electorate still think they have the moral high ground when the entire world under American influence is going to shyt right now.

What good is your morality when it can lead to worse outcomes for the majority? The majority you supposedly care about?

You realize there is no sky daddy out there keeping score right?

Based on this post, I don't think you actually understand the purpose of morality. It seems like you think it's some mentalist mind palace tool to come to some pareto optimal outcome instead of a deeply human reaction that guards against depravity.

It is simply inhumane to look at a group of innocent, harmless people actively being slaughtered and immediately start tabulating the marginal benefit of their extinction in a hypothetical scenario. This isn't about sky daddy keeping score, this is about having a human reaction to seeing a 5 year old girl desperately crying for help while being murdered in a car with her family. It is severely autistic for your immediate instinct to be "...well we need to accept this because it could potentially be worse."

And lol at you trying to use the dissolution of American hegemonic dominance as an argument for why we should abstain from condemning genocide...when that same power structure is what enabled the genocide to take place. Kinda seems like you just love American empire and don't care about genocide!

 

[Outlaw]

Sometimes you can just say "raping a child is unacceptable". You don't actually need to do game theory conditional qualifications for evil actions. Sometimes you can just have a moral line.

Maybe in your fantasy world game theory doesn’t apply to politics but in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth

Based on this post, I don't think you actually understand the purpose of morality. It seems like you think it's some mentalist mind palace tool to come to some pareto optimal outcome instead of a deeply human reaction that guards against depravity.

Tell me, what is the purpose of morality? What is a “human reaction”? It sounds like you’re forcing your subjectivity into objectivity.

If you look throughout human history you should easily come to the realization that being “human” is synonymous with depravity. That’s why utilitarianism and harm reduction is the only guiding light that makes logical sense.

It is simply inhumane to look at a group of innocent, harmless people actively being slaughtered and immediately start tabulating the marginal benefit of their extinction in a hypothetical scenario. This isn't about sky daddy keeping score, this is about having a human reaction to seeing a 5 year old girl desperately crying for help while being murdered in a car with her family. It is severely autistic for your immediate instinct to be "...well we need to accept this because it could potentially be worse."

There’s nothing new about war. What happened in Gaza is a tragedy, but that doesn’t mean we should surrender to the fascists when the fascist side wasn’t offering a better alternative for the Gazans.

And lol at you trying to use the dissolution of American hegemonic dominance as an argument for why we should abstain from condemning genocide...when that same power structure is what enabled the genocide to take place. Kinda seems like you just love American empire and don't care about genocide!

You gotta be trolling here, the irony can’t be lost on you that you call me an autist for saying we shouldn’t have allowed Gaza to stop us from voting when you just shrugged your shoulders at hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths due to lack of USAID worldwide.

Those deaths eclipse the deaths that happened in Gaza and you don’t care. Your morality is trash with all due respect

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Palestinian UNRWA vocational training center faces closure by Israel

Disconnected From Jerusalem by the Separation Wall, the Center Operates on Land Owned by Jordan and Has Provided Professional Workshops for Palestinians for Decades, Yet It Remains Under Threat Due to Israel's UNRWA Ban

www.haaretz.com

 

[Robbie3000]

Maybe in your fantasy world game theory doesn’t apply to politics but in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth




Tell me, what is the purpose of morality? What is a “human reaction”? It sounds like you’re forcing your subjectivity into objectivity.

If you look throughout human history you should easily come to the realization that being “human” is synonymous with depravity. That’s why utilitarianism and harm reduction is the only guiding light that makes logical sense.



There’s nothing new about war. What happened in Gaza is a tragedy, but that doesn’t mean we should surrender to the fascists when the fascist side wasn’t offering a better alternative for the Gazans.

You gotta be trolling here, the irony can’t be lost on you that you call me an autist for saying we shouldn’t have allowed Gaza to stop us from voting when you just shrugged your shoulders at hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths due to lack of USAID worldwide.

Those deaths eclipse the deaths that happened in Gaza and you don’t care. Your morality is trash with all due respect

The beauty of a democracy is you don’t have to choose between two mass murders. You can reject both and live with the consequences.