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[TheNatureBoy]

 

[The Infamous]

In terms of major fights, the rest of this year is shaping up very nicely:

- Jones/Cormier
- Pettis/Melendez
- Weidman/Vitor
- Dillashaw/Barao II
- Aldo/Mendes
- Cain/Werdum
- Hendricks vs the winner of Lawler/Brown

What would you brehs say is your top 3 most anticipated title fights? For me it's Jones/Cormier, Pettis/Melendez, Aldo/Mendes and Weidman/Vitor (had to pick 4 fights)

 

[Roman Brady]

zuffa aint even given them one penny under the table

 

[Kenny West]

In terms of major fights, the rest of this year is shaping up very nicely:

- Jones/Cormier
- Pettis/Melendez
- Weidman/Vitor
- Dillashaw/Barao II
- Aldo/Mendes
- Cain/Werdum
- Hendricks vs the winner of Lawler/Brown

What would you brehs say is your top 3 most anticipated title fights? For me it's Jones/Cormier, Pettis/Mellendez, Aldo/Mendes and Weidman/Vitor (had to pick 4 fights)

Is that Vitor in Brazil or nah? If not I want no parts...

Going with Pettis/Melendez, Aldo/ Mendes and



















MATT BROWN VS ROBBIE LAWLER

 

[The Infamous]

Is that Vitor in Brazil or nah? If not I want no parts...

Going with Pettis/Melendez, Aldo/ Mendes and



MATT BROWN VS ROBBIE LAWLER

It's in Las Vegas

 

[Roman Brady]

Is that Vitor in Brazil or nah? If not I want no parts...

See this is what I dont get anderson took on all comers trt or no trt. Weidman and em are pushing hard for this fight but then you get the "it better not be in brazil" bs. What sort of competitive fight are y'all expecting if vitor isnt on trt? you do know hes damn near 40 right? He wouldnt have won with juice but now the fight is meaningless its just another name to help legitimize weidman further.

 

[The G.O.D II]

You can't even tell me how he using his reach
or his reach is gonna stop Cormier from getting inside, Cormier has better boxing than Jon Jones from what I said, better head movement, he throws shots at more angles, he's more technical, and if he kicks like he did against Gus Cormier will grab his leg and slam him

I told he uses kicks, he sticks his hands out in people's face to hold him place, or to guage their reaction

Jones beats people up close range in the clench, up against the cage, and ground in pound

you can pull up any jon jones highly and see that

if he knew how to use his reach he would be knocking out guys instead of submitting him, he needs to work with an elite boxing coach because he's wasting his gift

Why do I need to explain how he uses his reach when you just did? If hes so terrible, why don't must of his opponents get in range like the opponents of Struve, Big foot, etc. And then you go into KO which I don't understand what that has to do with anything. Reach does not equal KO. Nor would any coach teach that. Cormier has better boxing and footwork yes. So did Vitor, Evans, etc. Still didn't matter. So explain to me what makes you so confident Cormier will. He catches Jones leg and what? He will still be 12 inches away so how will he slam him. Hulk style? And lets no discount that Cormier hasn't faced top competition in almost two years. No top five opponent in either division. His best win is still Barnett whos best days are far behind him

Edit: Still not taking into account his torn knee. Gonna be hard shooting for TD on a bigger guy with that disadvantage

 

[Kenny West]

It's in Las Vegas

 

[The G.O.D II]

If Jones beats Gus [again] and Cormier, he will have 9 title defenses, tying GSP and 1 defense short of Anderson Silva's 10. Jones has clearly faced better competition (every single title defense has been against a top 5 or 10 opponent, with Vitor and Sonnen being ranked as MWs) in a tough division. Not only has he faced tough competition, Jones has generally beaten most his opponents almost effortlessly. Does he have the jaw dropping moments of Anderson? No. But, if he beats Cormier and then Gus [again], he will have faced a murder's row of opponents and will have pretty much cleaned out his division (minus Rumble). Quality over quantity (not to say that Anderson and GSP haven't beaten their fair share of quality opponents)

Jones is also young, has taken minimal damage through out his career and has been (for the most part) injury free, he still has a lot of years left.

And lets wait until its over before we crown him. Because I could argue that the majority of Jones comp were washed up pride guys and blown up MWs. Lets see how he deals with Gus again and lets see him jump up and take a few HW fights. Because if he stays at lhw beating on smaller comp I will always look at his career with a side eye

 

[Roman Brady]

at the silva only got good in his 30s being used to anchor any sort of argument, the fuk does it matter when he got good his ufc resume speaks for itself

 

[Master Teacher]

Why do I need to explain how he uses his reach when you just did? If hes so terrible, why don't must of his opponents get in range like the opponents of Struve, Big foot, etc. And then you go into KO which I don't understand what that has to do with anything. Reach does not equal KO. Nor would any coach teach that. Cormier has better boxing and footwork yes. So did Vitor, Evans, etc. Still didn't matter. So explain to me what makes you so confident Cormier will. He catches Jones leg and what? He will still be 12 inches away so how will he slam him. Hulk style? And lets no discount that Cormier hasn't faced top competition in almost two years. No top five opponent in either division. His best win is still Barnett whos best days are far behind him

When did I say he was terrible, Jons never used his reach against any of those guys he named he just beat'em up because he could, only fighter fought on the outside was Rampage and he did that with kicks, body, kicks, leg kicks, the kick to the knee. Then he just steamed rolled like did everyone.

If Jon Jones knew how to use his reach he would setup a KO's, he does not pepper his opponents wth jabs like he could do to open them up with a KO, he does not throw punches over his opponent's which he could easily catch them with counters from long range, he would knock guys out like this, but he doesn't use it. Jon beats people up in the clench and ground in pound

Cormier is the best wrestler I have ever seen in the cage

If Cormier catches Jons legs he will drag him to ground or slam him, all has to do his step in once he grabs the leg and take him down

Regardless of that Cormier is going to close the distance on the jon and try to take him down, Jon will have to avoid being taken to the ground for the fight to be on it's feet to utilize his reach

if Cormier knee is a factor, Jon could very well do that if he kicks the knee earlier and limits Cormier explosiveness, but he's gonna risk being dragged to the ground in doing so

you dismiss Josh Barnett like he is some bum, he's a quality veteran with or without the roids.
Jon Jones is not manhandling Josh Barnett let alone slamming him.
Cormier best win is when He stood toe to toe with Roy Nelson , who trains at the Mayweather gym and has good hands with power

This is the exact reason why I wanted Cormier to fight Gus first to end all these conversations, instead of both of them fighting easy fights they should've fought each other so people could see how could Cormier is
and the fight would be even bigger, but UFC does not know how to build big fights.

Jon Jones is 230 tops, he even voiced is concerns on fighting heavweights who weight from 250 to 265 in the UFC, it makes a difference, Jon is fighting a guy he won't be able to physical bulldoze who is a tremendous wrestler, he's wrestling technique is leagues beyond these cats



this will be Jon Jones' hardest fight, he got caught of guard with Gus because he was baffled by how he was getting hit, because he was not used to the angles Gus would throw his punches, but he could easily remedy that in training, and I know he will beat Gus easy in their second fight. However, Cormier is very confident himself, he's not faced a fighter with supreme confidence himself who is undefeated.

Fighting is mental, Jones is mentally though he proved that against Gus even though he had doubt in his eyes when he had got cut but he gathered himself pretty quickly which was impresive, Cormier is a different breed, he's a natural winner, and his technique is high level plus he's coming down to a weight class where's going to be at advantage

That's why I say if Jon wins this fight he's the greatest of all time

 

[Master Teacher]

at the silva only got good in his 30s being used to anchor any sort of argument, the ful does it matter when he got good his ufc resume speaks for itself

Jon's resume is already up their with Silva's after three years

 

[The Infamous]

And lets wait until its over before we crown him. Because I could argue that the majority of Jones comp were washed up pride guys and blown up MWs. Lets see how he deals with Gus again and lets see him jump up and take a few HW fights. Because if he stays at lhw beating on smaller comp I will always look at his career with a side eye

I can dissect any resume as well. Jones' competition has been better than both GSP and Anderson. LHW is the division for Jones, no reason for him to move up. It's not like he cuts tons of weight, he's a good-sized LHW. It's funny because GSP and Anderson got the same complaints (they're too big for their division)

 

[Roman Brady]

Jon's resume is already up their with Silva's after three years

it wont be up there until he matches his title defenses and moves up in weight (even if it is to be beat a brendan schaub or stefan struve) till then hes only potentially in the discussion, definitely surpassed gsp tho long since

 

[Master Teacher]

it wont be up there until he matches his title defenses and moves up in weight (even if it is to be beat a brendan schaub or stefan struve) till then hes only potentially in the discussion, definitely surpassed gsp tho long since

I don't go off stats, Jon has defended his title almost as much as Silva in just 3 years, moving up for MW to LHW is not the same as moving from LHW to HW

its motherfukkers who are legit 260 up in the HW division, it's a whole different beast