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[The Infamous]

Do you even watch fights? You sound like an absolute clown fixated on fanboyism everytime you post. Your logic against GSP is idiotic. So I guess in your opinion Mayweather isn't the best p4p fighter either because he doesn't finish anyone?

Since Mayweather is black, decisions are okay in his case.

 

[Roman Brady]

Trivial and irrelevant point. My argument still stands.

nah it really doesnt but its a moot point the fact that his peers manage to do things he cant speaks volumes.

Even the vast majority of MMA fighters believe that GSP is ahead of Anderson in the P4P rankings. So, we have pretty much most of the fans, fighters, and media all sharing the same stance.

Its easy to make that case now that silva has lost what i find more interesting is despite the length of gsp's reign, jones is the usual name u see at the top of most these lists now.Wonder why that is despite only being on top for 2 years with change.

That's literally the only point you're making, 'he doesn't finish fights'. Which is a very weak one

and its a valid one, how can you put a label on him when he cant beat any ww? its like bendo.Its no secret he tried to take the gsp route to "greatness" and wasnt very good at it but notice the fans raked him thru coals for his style.And never accepted his wins even ones like guida/bocek but that shyt was gsp-lite.

So why is it that whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander?

 

[Roman Brady]

Do you even watch fights? You sound like an absolute clown fixated on fanboyism everytime you post. Your logic against GSP is idiotic. So I guess in your opinion Mayweather isn't the best p4p fighter either because he doesn't finish anyone?

what part of "this isnt boxing" didnt you understand in my post? like i told the other child if you want to sound intelligent and play the 'u are very smart card' its probably best you know what you are talking about reading is important breh

 

[The G.O.D II]

what part of "this isnt boxing" didnt you understand in my post? like i told the other child if you want to sound intelligent and play the 'u are very smart card' its probably best you know what you are talking about reading is important breh

Explain to me how this isn't comparable to boxing since the two are the most closely related mainstream sports we have. Because I clearly remember, while you were faslely accusing me of saying Silva was boring, the comparisons you were making with ppl like Michale Jordan and others. Or is it to save face because you know your argument is ridiculous to begin with?

 

[The Infamous]

nah it really doesnt but its a moot point the fact that his peers manage to do things he cant speaks volumes.

Its easy to make that case now that silva has lost what i find more interesting is despite the length of gsp's reign, jones is the usual name u see at the top of most these lists now.Wonder why that is despite only being on top for 2 years with change.


and its a valid one, how can you put a label on him when he cant beat any ww? its like bendo.Its no secret he tried to take the gsp route to "greatness" and wasnt very good at it but notice the fans raked him thru coals for his style.And never accepted his wins even ones like guida/bocek but that shyt was gsp-lite.

So why is it that whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander?

A recent poll of random fighters had GSP voted as the best fighter in the world [ahead of Jon Jones]. So most of his peers believe that he is the best fighter in the world. You keep digging yourself a deeper hole breh.

I don't even know how to respond to the bolded. All I can say is that you're a terrible poster.

 

[The G.O.D II]

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[The G.O.D II]

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[Screwface Exchange]

I as well would put Anderson ahead of GSP, as well as I would put Aldo ahead too in P4P rankings. The reason being has nothing to do with not being able to finish guys, or his superior wrestling or undefeated strike. As p4p usually is a list of all the top champions, so they all should be highly decorated in their own right. By i take it P4P pretty literal in being, I take the actual size and weight class into the equation.

An example, Anderson went up a weight class and fought guys bigger than his belt and reg class, and beat their former champ Forrest. Aldo was a featherweight champ being Faber, a long time champ in many weight classes. He then beat Edgar who has been a champ at 155, beat Kenny Florian who has been a num1 contender at higher weight classes. To me that shows, if weight/size were equal Silva/Aldo would still be champs.

When I compare that to GSP, the majority of guys he has faced are smaller dudes. Rarely has he faced some1 he didnt have the physical advantage over, and the couple of times he has he didn't/couldn't use his wrestling to dominate the fight, he instead stood up with them for the whole fight, Diaz/Shields. Much is made about him beating BJ penn before, but really BJ had no chance with that size and reach difference. We've seen with Bones/Gus how once you face some1 your own size its not a smooth ride anymore for the win.

 

[The Infamous]

Are you seriously attributing GSP's wins to size rather than skill? GSP is arguably the most well-rounded fighter in MMA and is easily one of the most skilled [he just might be the most skilled]. There isn't really a facet of MMA that GSP truly lacks in, he's good everywhere.

 

[bsmooth]

When I compare that to GSP, the majority of guys he has faced are smaller dudes. Rarely has he faced some1 he didnt have the physical advantage over, and the couple of times he has he didn't/couldn't use his wrestling to dominate the fight, he instead stood up with them for the whole fight, Diaz/Shields. Much is made about him beating BJ penn before, but really BJ had no chance with that size and reach difference. We've seen with Bones/Gus how once you face some1 your own size its not a smooth ride anymore for the win.

This stuff about GSP beating on smaller guys is bullshyt, the only guy GSP fought that was significantly smaller than him in the UFC was BJ but the same could be said about all of BJ's opponents at welterweight

 

[The Infamous]

This stuff about GSP beating on smaller guys is bullshyt, the only guy GSP fought that was significantly smaller than him in the UFC was BJ but the same could be said about all of BJ's opponents at welterweight

It's a very common misconception. I just dug up my old post on GSP's size in comparison to his opponents:

GSP is one of the bigger WWs, but he's not the biggest. GSP is around the same size as Condit, Koscheck, Hardy, and Fitch. He's actually smaller than Thiago Alves and Jake Shields (dude packed a lot of muscle when he was @ MW in Strikeforce). GSP was bigger than Nick, Serra and Penn. The last two guys should've stayed at LW.

 

[Screwface Exchange]

Are you seriously attributing GSP's wins to size rather than skill? GSP is arguably the most well-rounded fighter in MMA and is easily one of the most skilled [he just might be the most skilled]. There isn't really a facet in MMA that GSP truly lacks in, he's good everywhere [whether it be wrestling, BJJ, striking, etc.]

No I am not attributing his wins because of his size, I am not disputing he is a great highly skilled champion. But this is a P4P list, every1 on this list is highly skilled. Every1 is in the upper tier of fighters. The way i look at pound for pound is if these fighers were all the same, weight, seize who would win. No size advantage, no reach advantage none of that.

This stuff about GSP beating on smaller guys is bullshyt, the only guy GSP fought that was significantly smaller than him in the UFC was BJ but the same could be said about all of BJ's opponents at welterweight

Yes that could be said about BJ, but I dont put BJ in my pound for pound rankings currently.

But i would have to dispute your statement about GSP, outside of Shields/Diaz who has GSP ever fought that was equal or bigger than him on fight nite after the re hydration? or even in just reg walk around weight? Serra, Hardy, Condit, those guys are pretty small and lean.

Now, I'm not bashing GSP he has absolutely dominated his competition and is a worthy champ. I'm Canadian and have seen every ufc in mtl and have cheered for GSP live. I have partied with GSP before he was champ and after and i still am friends with some in his circle. But when comparing champions in a p4p list, I gotta look at the competition they have faced. Outside of Diaz and Shields what other guys have GSP beaten that have went on to dominate other weight classes or promotions or even been solid num1 contenders the whole time. Koscheck, hardy, alves, serra after they loss, they never had any other meaningful wins or anything. Which kinda strike me as maybe they really weren't as good as they were hyped up to be. There is Fitch with 1 win in last 5 fights.

So that is my basis for putting GSP behind Anderson and Silva. He's still top 5 in my p4p but its hard for me to put him ahead of Silva, maybe a better argument for being above Aldo, I'll leave that to you guys.

 

[FaTaL]

i have no complaints for gsp except for him not finishing fights, i feel champions should punish and destroy their opponents

 

[The Infamous]

No I am not attributing his wins because of his size, I am not disputing he is a great highly skilled champion. But this is a P4P list, every1 on this list is highly skilled. Every1 is in the upper tier of fighters. The way i look at pound for pound is if these fighers were all the same, weight, seize who would win. No size advantage, no reach advantage none of that.


Yes that could be said about BJ, but I dont put BJ in my pound for pound rankings currently.

But i would have to dispute your statement about GSP, outside of Shields/Diaz who has GSP ever fought that was equal or bigger than him on fight nite after the re hydration? or even in just reg walk around weight? Serra, Hardy, Condit, those guys are pretty small and lean.

Now, I'm not bashing GSP he has absolutely dominated his competition and is a worthy champ. I'm Canadian and have seen every ufc in mtl and have cheered for GSP live. I have partied with GSP before he was champ and after and i still am friends with some in his circle. But when comparing champions in a p4p list, I gotta look at the competition they have faced. Outside of Diaz and Shields what other guys have GSP beaten that have went on to dominate other weight classes or promotions or even been solid num1 contenders the whole time. Koscheck, hardy, alves, serra after they loss, they never had any other meaningful wins or anything. Which kinda strike me as maybe they really weren't as good as they were hyped up to be. There is Fitch with 1 win in last 5 fights.

So that is my basis for putting GSP behind Anderson and Silva. He's still top 5 in my p4p but its hard for me to put him ahead of Silva, maybe a better argument for being above Aldo, I'll leave that to you guys.

Hardy is a solid 6'0, while Condit is a solid 6'2 [Condit is a bit on the lean side, but makes up for it in height]. To say these fighters are small is laughable. I guess Rumble is small and lean as well. The size difference between GSP/Hardy/Condit is minimal. I'll respond to the rest of your post soon, I just had to get the size misconception out the way.

 

[So UnThotful]

Brehs Nick Diaz tweeted the UFC he cant make his fight with Maynard because he's going to his high school reunion