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[Roman Brady]

So Jones had years taken off his career but Gustaffson didn't? :drake:

every fighter is d same r8?which fighter could do the post fight press and which one had to be carted off? Look what varner did knowing fully well he had a broken leg during a fight.And then look at how jones acted when he realized he had a broken toe post fight, every fighter is different some are just tougher and got a higher pain threshold than others.

They BOTH got beat up that night. A 1-sided ass whooping isn't gonna be seen as "the greatest title fight in light heavyweight history".

who said gus didnt get tagged i'm just saying jones got it worse.And lets be real here the reason that fight gets applauded isnt because it was a virtuoso display of mma it was the fact no one thought gus could take it to jones and negate his wrestling/reach like that

Gustaffson "wants" to get a rematch so he can possibly win a title, not b/c it's fun or a cakewalk fighting Jon Jones.

who said anything about jones being a cakewalk

And fatigue is luck? Jon was more well-conditioned, was used to all that goes into 5 round fights, wasn't anywhere near being knocked out and fought at a pace that made Gustaffson fade.

yada yada yada we can argue this till the cows come home fact of the matter is fact is jones has gone the distance in 5 multiple times gus has not.Nor has he been in a fight with that much riding on it best bellieve greg jack assured jj with the reality that gus would eventually have an adrenaline dump and it came to past..When they were at equal footing we saw how that went for the most part

. And the Mo-Gegard fight is so totally not like Gus-Jon that I can't even understand why you'd mention it. There's no doubt in my mind these 2 are fighting on 8/30/14....can't wait.

Should think it was pretty obvious, its possible for the victor of a "contest" to have actually received the most damage u tried to imply otherwise hence why i mentioned that fight.To then get so easily confused and assume I was equating both is just

 

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The worse damage he sustained against Gus was a foot injury...he probably injured his foot with one of the numerous times it crashed up against Alex's head ...you make it seem like Gustaffson punched Jon in his foot....dude injured his foot and and got it looked at. Big deal.





Wait a second. Are you really trying to say Jamie Varner possesses more mental toughnes than Jon fukking Jones in MMA? Do you even know who Jamie Varner is anymore?


Jon got exposed, huh? He got exposed and what happened?
He still won. He still almost got a stoppage in round #4. He got better in the championship rounds. He never was near being stopped. He never got dropped. Never close to being submitted. Was on his back twice and took no GnP and got up immediately twice. Then fought, arguably, a more dangerous MMArtist in his next fight and apparently didn't have those "exposures" capitalized on. For someone who got exposed, he sure has shown a lot of positives in his last 2 fights. Glover landed heavier shots than Gus did and Jon just looked at him like and kept pushing the pace.


Gustaffson is the only fighter in history with adrenaline? wow. learn something new everyday. Are you assuming that Gustaffson will have less butterflies when he's fighting Jon, a man who already beat him, nearly knocked him out, and walked him down for the majority of the fight? This fight will be viewed by twice as many folks and have twice the fukkery surrounding it. But you're so sure the moment won't betray Gus once again.



And Jon-Gus was a dominant wrestler, who is champion, getting his attempts stuffed and being forced to win VIA his kickboxing and Mo-Gegard was a dominant wrestler mercilessly wrestlefukking a kickboxer, who is champion, while said kickboxer beat him up from the bottom. These fights are, actually, the exact opposite of each other. What is wrong with you?

 

[Roman Brady]

You said 'wrestling, wrestling, wrestling...' which is not true. His fights have a good amount more striking exchanges than clinch work.

His style is similar to Cain's, but so what? Cain is a top P4P fighter who is very exciting (not saying that Cormier is super exciting). Is there problem with having a similar style to Cain's?

we will have to agree to disagree on that one

 

[The Infamous]

we will have to agree to disagree on that one

Are you serious? Cain is not exciting?

 

[The Infamous]

Every Cain fight in the UFC has been at least, semi-exciting.

 

[Roman Brady]

The worse damage he sustained against Gus was a foot injury...he probably injured his foot with one of the numerous times it crashed up against Alex's head ...you make it seem like Gustaffson punched Jon in his foot....dude injured his foot and and got it looked at. Big deal.

if you are going to keep fabricating nonsense to anchor your point this exchange will end with this post cuz I dont have time for lil boy games.

Wait a second. Are you really trying to say Jamie Varner possesses more mental toughnes than Jon fukking Jones in MMA? Do you even know who Jamie Varner is anymore?

I aint about to get into mans history all I was citing was 2 incidents where both fighters sustained gruesome injuries in the cage and the contrast in how they reacted.

Jon got exposed, huh? He got exposed and what happened?
He still won.

He still has the title doesnt he? so I dont know the point in saying that the fact is we saw who got the better of who in striking early for damn near 3 rounds.And we saw jones who has a wrestling pedigree not only struggle to TD gus but defend his tds.For the longest time he was facing dudes considerably smaller the one time he faces a dude his size that happens if you dont see that as a revelation

He still almost got a stoppage in round #4. He got better in the championship rounds. He never was near being stopped. He never got dropped. Never close to being submitted. Was on his back twice and took no GnP and got up immediately twice. Then fought, arguably, a more dangerous MMArtist in his next fight and apparently didn't have those "exposures" capitalized on.

all he proved is that rumours of a weak chin were exaggerated but his striking D deficiency was on display just because he didnt get KO doesnt mean his defense aint suspect...

Gustaffson is the only fighter in history with adrenaline? wow. learn something new everyday. Are you assuming that Gustaffson will have less butterflies when he's fighting Jon, a man who already beat him, nearly knocked him out, and walked him down for the majority of the fight? This fight will be viewed by twice as many folks and have twice the fukkery surrounding it. But you're so sure the moment won't betray Gus once again.

i dont get the preface of this question or what u are implying but its not uncommon for a fighter to finally make a title fight against a decorated champ catch fire in the early rounds get excitable and gas themselves out just cuz they were running on nervous energy

And Jon-Gus was a dominant wrestler, who is champion, getting his attempts stuffed and being forced to win VIA his kickboxing and Mo-Gegard was a dominant wrestler mercilessly wrestlefukking a kickboxer, who is champion, while said kickboxer beat him up from the bottom. These fights are, actually, the exact opposite of each other. What is wrong with you?

wow that example just went way over your head huh? u are still on that

 

[Roman Brady]

Every Cain fight in the UFC has been at least, semi-exciting.

brock, a silva and the junior series granted other than that i cant remeber a fight of his that i liked

 

[The Infamous]

brock, a silva and the junior series granted other than that i cant remeber a fight of his that i liked

Big Nog, Kongo, Rothwell, etc. All his UFC fights have been exciting. He's pretty much destroyed every single one of his opponents.

 

[Roman Brady]

Big Nog, Kongo, Rothwell, etc. All his UFC fights have been exciting. He's pretty much destroyed every single one of his opponents.

you can destroy an opponent in a boring manner ie Anthony mckee

 

[The Infamous]

you can destroy an opponent in a boring manner ie Anthony mckee

Cain destroys his opponents in exciting fashion. Name a mediocre/boring Cain fight.

 

[Roman Brady]

Cain destroys his opponents in exciting fashion. Name a mediocre/boring Cain fight.

waste of time we clearly have opposite view on what constitutes as exciting.To me a one sided beatdown thats monotonous mostly taking place on the ground in a smothering fashion with the dominant fighter just staying the course never att a sub or something for 5 rounds doesnt make for a good watch

 

[The Infamous]

waste of time we clearly have opposite view on what constitutes as exciting.To me a one sided beatdown thats monotonous mostly taking place on the ground in a smothering fashion with the dominant fighter just staying the course never att a sub or something for 5 rounds doesnt make for a good watch

Are you trying to say that's Cain? Do yourself a favor and watch his fights. What you described is almost the complete the opposite of how Cain fights.

 

[The Infamous]

waste of time we clearly have opposite view on what constitutes as exciting.To me a one sided beatdown thats monotonous mostly taking place on the ground in a smothering fashion with the dominant fighter just staying the course never att a sub or something for 5 rounds doesnt make for a good watch

Name me 1 Cain fight where that's happened. I'm not even asking you for multiple fights, I just want one. You're delusional.

 

[The G.O.D II]

sure hes got kickboxing prowess but that was strikeforce the ufc cormier is a mixture of cain and couture and its wrestling wrestling wrestling mixed with dirty boxing against cage then back to wrestling, TD smoother with some gnp then back to smothering.The sub in his last fight changes nothing, for 90% of his fights its quite monotonous
10 inch reach advantage aint going to keep someone as agile as cormier at bay forever, dude has got competent striking and the threat of wrestling.If jones couldnt stop Gus's TDs (when all things were square) you honestlly think hes going to keep corm away? come on

I dont doubt Cormier has quickness and if he can get inside he can damage Jones. But you no who else had those attributes? Evans. He did shyt. Lyto also had that and he got choked out. Cormier has never faced anyone like Jones. Jones has faced guys like Cormier before. Cormier has never been in championship rounds either. Who knows what his gas tank is like. And stop talking like Gus dominated Jones wrestling. He got one TD in over 11 tries and it was a pure struggle one

 

[Roman Brady]

Name me 1 Cain fight where that's happened. I'm not even asking you for multiple fights, I just want one. You're delusional.

i usually turn off a stream or ff to the end when i get a sense its goin to be another mechanical performance but the last dos santo fight felt that way