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We're one term and a year into the presidency of a Democratic President, who appeared in personal ideology at least, to be more progressive on domestic policy as anyone since LBJ. We had a Democratic House and Senate with a super majority his first two years.

We can debate all day where the blame lies for why things are the way they are now, be it intentional wolf tickets sold by a center-right corporatist President and Democratic party, incompetence or weakness at getting legislation passed, unprecendented obstruction by the Republicans, the bureaucratic hindrances that come with governing and legislating in confluence with monied interests in Washington, or some combination of all, and that's been done to death here.

But we should all be in agreement that the results we've gotten are underwhelming. We got a stimulus that was about half of what most people in the Obama administration's Council of Economic Advisors thought was needed, and about 40% tax cuts, Bob Dole's Heritage Foundation-conceived 1996 healthcare plan plus some Medicaid expansion, a 4.6% tax increase on income over $400K per year 5 years in, no real tuition reform other than some minor cuts in interest rates due to removing the middlemen, continued taxpayer bailouts of banks and financial reform that does little more than set up regulatory bodies, no federal indictments against the rampant fraud on Wall Street, just some bullshyt fines, no relief for homeowners with underwater mortgages, no real jobs bill, Bush's civil liberties violations on steroids, and income inequality still rising, with 95% of gains since the trough of the recession going to the richest 1%.

If you go by polls, Americans are more progressive on most issues. People want to see rich people pay more taxes, don't want social security and Medicare cut, want the military budget cut, want weed legal,, want to keep abortion legal, think job creation is more important than deficit reduction, and want universal healthcare with a public option.

I posted this a while back. http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-progressive-caucus-presents-the-peoples-budget.97825/

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The CPC FY2012 Budget.pdf

That sounds like an agenda I can get behind.

So my question is how do we actually get progressive legislation enacted, particular when it comes to economics? Is it even possible? Let's try to be constructive and not to turn this into an Obama/Democratic party defending vs. an Obama/Democratic party bashing thing.

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The first thing to understand, in my opinion, is that the "enemy" is not on the other side. The "enemy" is a mentality, a mentality that unfortunately has began creeping itself into the left. Fear voting won't help in the long run. What is fear voting? You vote for a candidate simply because you fear the other candidate's policy more. This mentality has allowed moderate Republicans, corporatists, centrists and blue dogs to control the leftist political movement in this country, not only at the Federal level, but the state level as well.

Will expand on it later.
 

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America needs to abolish first past the post asap. I'm convinced it's at the heart of our issues. I just don't have the faith in the democrats that I used to, they don't have any reason to adhere to progressive ideology for real because they're so terrified of the other side. That "peoples budget" is like a democrat 40 year plan or something, I don't see much of that stuff being even on the table till 2020, and even then.
 

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to answer the questions in the OP.

1. Campaign Finance reform
2. Tax reform that targets the top 5/10% bracket
3. Campaign Finance reform
4. Campaign Finance reform
5. Nothing will really be done about college education prices in the near future - - shyts set up that reform in that area might fukk everything up worse.

6. It would have to be some sort of revolution or grass roots effort with a SOLE FOCUS on privacy rights to even make a dent with that issue. Not this weak ass occupy BS with 700 different causes and no organization. Bush did an excellent job at setting up that fukkery.

7. Weed and abortion are both going in the right direction on their own.... those issues are almost complete, one resignation and/or death at a time and we good.

8. We would need more than a 2 party system to actually have universal or single payer healthcare.
 

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America needs to abolish first past the post asap. I'm convinced it's at the heart of our issues. I just don't have the faith in the democrats that I used to, they don't have any reason to adhere to progressive ideology for real because they're so terrified of the other side. That "peoples budget" is like a democrat 40 year plan or something, I don't see much of that stuff being even on the table till 2020, and even then.
Yeah but why not? The Ryan plan was an extreme right wing vision that was clearly anti-the will of the people and it was on the table being discussed at least and had the support of the Republican presidential nominee.
Get big money out of politics :yeshrug:

There's really not more too discuss until this is reformed.

But don't worry Hilary will be different. ( :troll: )
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...big-money-two-goldman-sachs-speeches-one-week

So how do we go about enacting real campaign finance reform?
 

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Yeah but why not? The Ryan plan was an extreme right wing vision that was clearly anti-the will of the people and it was on the table being discussed at least and had the support of the Republican presidential nominee.
The democrats just don't have that initiative though; they're afraid of speaking their mind on what their vision for america is and as of right now will do anything to maintain the arm bar they're trying to lock in on the moderates. Now, things might be different by 2020, and you might be right about it coming sooner rather than later, but as of right now people aren't trying to hear that shyt just yet.

Wait for the WWII gen to die off a little more, then we might have something.
 

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"reform":deadmanny::deadhorse:


Does it ever dawn on progressives among a sea of reform that maybe Govt. shouldn't be doing w/e it is, its failing at? At least not in the way its currently doing it?:ld:

Education reform:skip:
Finance reform:skip:
Healthcare reform:skip:
Welfare reform:skip:
Tax reform:skip:

Reform is an implicit admission that we didnt get it right the first 50 times... does anyone ever think maybe we should think outside the box for a change? Or outside the Federal Govt.? :ld:

I mean, expecting different results is text book insanity at this point...

If not, why?

I'm not saying embrace private industry either, just asking if you guys ever doubt the progressive machine?
 

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The democrats just don't have that initiative though; they're afraid of speaking their mind on what their vision for america is and as of right now will do anything to maintain the arm bar they're trying to lock in on the moderates. Now, things might be different by 2020, and you might be right about it coming sooner rather than later, but as of right now people aren't trying to hear that shyt just yet.

Wait for the WWII gen to die off a little more, then we might have something.
i really do blame old people, particularly those that fear the great communism (wooo aahhhhh boo!).

Once time has passed and some of these...shall we say "older" americans start falling off THEN maybe the "new blood" will not have been tainted so much in regards to certain ideas.

Really though, the parasites (and i mean this as a literal term) in the government are now so ingrained with the host that to remove them would may mean death to the host....maybe it's time for that though? :manny: Money governing politics is the first thing that needs to go.
Spending millions to get a job that pays thousands???
Either they are horrible with money, in which case they shouldn't be in charge of OUR money.
Or
They do it for power, in which case they shouldn't be allowed to have power....
 

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"reform":deadmanny::deadhorse:


Does it ever dawn on progressives among a sea of reform that maybe Govt. shouldn't be doing w/e it is, its failing at? At least not in the way its currently doing it?:ld:

Education reform:skip:
Finance reform:skip:
Healthcare reform:skip:
Welfare reform:skip:
Tax reform:skip:

Reform is an implicit admission that we didnt get it right the first 50 times... does anyone ever think maybe we should think outside the box for a change? Or outside the Federal Govt.? :ld:

I mean, expecting different results is text book insanity at this point...

If not, why?

I'm not saying embrace private industry either, just asking if you guys ever doubt the progressive machine?
In all do respect, please leave the thread. This is a thread for people who lean left ideologically to discuss how to get legislation enacted. There's plenty other threads where you can share your political opinions. Don't be a dikkhead.
 

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"reform":deadmanny::deadhorse:


Does it ever dawn on progressives among a sea of reform that maybe Govt. shouldn't be doing w/e it is, its failing at? At least not in the way its currently doing it?:ld:

Education reform:skip:
Finance reform:skip:
Healthcare reform:skip:
Welfare reform:skip:
Tax reform:skip:

Reform is an implicit admission that we didnt get it right the first 50 times... does anyone ever think maybe we should think outside the box for a change? Or outside the Federal Govt.? :ld:

I mean, expecting different results is text book insanity at this point...

If not, why?

I'm not saying embrace private industry either, just asking if you guys ever doubt the progressive machine?
maybe. Our government is set up to be fluid though so you should expect "change" and "tweaking". Considering we're one of the best countries in the world it can't be all bad right ?
 
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