The Official UFC Fight Night Thread [Aug. 17]

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Chael's record really isn't that spotty. Only lost to the top of the top in recent years.
 

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:laugh: shogun still cant beat wrestlers who like drugs.

a few coli heads called the reem fight.
 

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i wonder if this forces shogun to retire or go down to 185

i can never understand a guy who works out for a living can look so soft
 

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Yes, because nearly dying twice and having about ten feet of your intestine removed would do nothing to your ability to fight.

Won the UFC title in his fourth fight ever, defended it through life threatening illness, and is the biggest PPV draw in MMA history (and only three Boxing buyrates are above the UFC 100 buyrate that he headlined).

He may not have reached his full potential, but in no sense was Lesnar overrated.

As a fighter, he was overrated. Not saying he wasn't a great fighter or anything. But, Cain, JDS, Cormier, and Werdum would all beat a healthy Lesnar. The first two would demolish him. Fighters like Overeem and Barnett would have a 50/50 chance at a healthy Lesnar.

And he was gifted a title shot.
 

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i wonder if this forces shogun to retire or go down to 185

i can never understand a guy who works out for a living can look so soft

I doubt we ever see Shogun at 185. He's nearing the end of his career and you can tell he wants to fight at the class he's most comfortable in. Plus, he's around 220 pounds, a cut to 185 would be tough.
 

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I doubt we ever see Shogun at 185. He's nearing the end of his career and you can tell he wants to fight at the class he's most comfortable in. Plus, he's around 220 pounds, a cut to 185 would be tough.
instead of getting fat between fights he should stay in shape but at this point he maybe be 31 but his body is 45. his knees are gone and so are his kicks
 

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no way shogun can get down to 185. this old nikkas knees cant even make it through a 3 mile run. :camby:
 
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win or lose I stand up and applaud Shogun for the many wars in Pride and some in UFC he has provided throughout his years. Few fighters came into Pride and went on a run like him. He beat Reem while he was on roids which many ppl can say they've done.

Sadly, those Pride wars have taken their toll on his body, i doubt he has any give in either of his knees, he probably bone on bone by now. And i can't remember who but sum1 from the coli last year said he best, the strength of his style of fighting is just not possible in the UFC with these rules. He had some of the most vicious soccer kicks I've ever seen in MMA. But these unified mma rules that ufc follows just caters to wrestler's and ground and pound more.

Looking back at Pride, and how many fights were wars, and just simply amazing, I use to think it was just the quality of the fighters by the chinese mafia pay offs for guys to go for knock outs, but really it was the rules and length of rounds. It jus lead to some of the best fights ever. I don't think Shogun is :flabbynsick: status, I just think with the rules and caliper of wrestlers he's been stuck fighting, it doesnt cater to his style.
 

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As a fighter, he was overrated. Not saying he wasn't a great fighter or anything. But, Cain, JDS, Cormier, and Werdum would all beat a healthy Lesnar. The first two would demolish him. Fighters like Overeem and Barnett would have a 50/50 chance at a healthy Lesnar.

And he was gifted a title shot.

i agree that those guys would probably beat a healthy brock (except cormier, i dunno about that one)...but his health definitely did take a toll on him and we never saw him really develop into a fighter. i will say he did pretty fukking well in mma for a guy who spent a long time in "sports entertainment" and was like 10 years removed from being an actual, legitimate, dominant wrestler though. if he came up nowadays and went from college wrestling star straight to mma...his stand-up would've been better, he'd be a lot more comfortable being hit (which was his biggest problem imo, his chin was good but he just would lose his shyt when he got tagged), he just would've been a way better fighter.

and shogun is larry holmes status. it's not that ufc rules don't cater to his style. that's a total cop-out. the lack of soccer kicks is hardly the reason he's losing fights. he's got a ton of wear and tear, he doesn't stay in good shape, he has no takedown defense (and everyone and their grandma knows how he's gonna try to sweep) and even when he keeps it standing, he usually still takes a beating and his iron chin keeps him upright. he'll still be a tough fight for anyone, pretty much, but i think his days as a legit contender are done.
 

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win or lose I stand up and applaud Shogun for the many wars in Pride and some in UFC he has provided throughout his years. Few fighters came into Pride and went on a run like him. He beat Reem while he was on roids which many ppl can say they've done.

Sadly, those Pride wars have taken their toll on his body, i doubt he has any give in either of his knees, he probably bone on bone by now. And i can't remember who but sum1 from the coli last year said he best, the strength of his style of fighting is just not possible in the UFC with these rules. He had some of the most vicious soccer kicks I've ever seen in MMA. But these unified mma rules that ufc follows just caters to wrestler's and ground and pound more.

Looking back at Pride, and how many fights were wars, and just simply amazing, I use to think it was just the quality of the fighters by the chinese mafia pay offs for guys to go for knock outs, but really it was the rules and length of rounds. It jus lead to some of the best fights ever. I don't think Shogun is :flabbynsick: status, I just think with the rules and caliper of wrestlers he's been stuck fighting, it doesnt cater to his style.
Reem wasn't on roids when they fought. He was a skinny 205 pounder who would constantly gas 15 seconds into the fight.
 

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Johnson was mean as fukk in that first fight. Gave Lauzon the bully treatment for 15 minutes. Disappointed with that Overreem loss cause I was sure he had it. I wonder if it's arrogance that keeps him from winning or is he just not that good.

Chael vs Rua was looking like a fun grappling match really entertaining and wish it would've been longer. First time in a while watching UFC sober and it was way more interesting.
 
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Johnson's beating the shyt out of Lauzon... :banderas:

...you'd have thought Joe burned on cross on that man's lawn or some shyt. :patrice: <--(Keeping with the Boston theme)

this nikka got a bottle of vaseline on his face lol
:dead: i was so happy a black dude gave Joe Caczon that work after Joe took out my boy, Melvin Gulliard

1st UFC show i really enjoyed from start to finish although Chael loses too much to be always cutting WWE promos :beli:
 

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Johnson was mean as fukk in that first fight. Gave Lauzon the bully treatment for 15 minutes. Disappointed with that Overreem loss cause I was sure he had it. I wonder if it's arrogance that keeps him from winning or is he just not that good.

Chael vs Rua was looking like a fun grappling match really entertaining and wish it would've been longer. First time in a while watching UFC sober and it was way more interesting.


No, the ref was a jerk- Anybody else would have stopped the fight when Brown was getting pounded. Why didnt he give Overeem a minute to recover?
Dana knows it was a BS gift - I hope Brown gets destroyed by the next person he fights:birdman:

Not sure what happened to Lauzon- its like he didnt even try

After the fight, sounded like his home town were cheering for Johnson :lolbron:
 
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No, the ref was a jerk- Anybody else would have stopped the fight when Brown was getting pounded. Why didnt he give Overeem a minute to recover?
Dana knows it was a BS gift - I hope Brown gets destroyed by the next person he fights:birdman:

Not sure what happened to Lauzon- its like he didnt even try


I agree on the Browne/Reem part, i'm not mad at them stopping it when they did because Alistair is a known chinny fighter and he was clearly out .. . but that fight really coulda been stopped earlier when Browne was turtled up taking unanswered repeated shots. I can admit i've got sour grapes about the fight but I hate the "intelligently defend" yourself phrase because its up for loose interpretation depending on who is watching what.

what do you do with reem now tho matchup wise? Gonzaga? Big Nog? he's in a real odd spot now.



I almost wonder if Lauzon had a bad weight cut or an injury, dude never just gets beat the fukk up without at least trying to stop it from happening. Mike coulda hit him with crane kicks, tiger knees and E Honda slaps if he'd wanted to


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