The only New York athletes with any heart are Jalen Brunson and Francisco Lindor

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Well let's put it this way....

If a guy had one great season, would you consider him a great player?

Probably not, right? Anyone can be good or bad for 1 season. And that's something like 700 ABs.

So you would need...at the very MINIMUM, that many playoff ABs to even begin to talk about it.

And almost nobody is going to get that opportunity because playoff appearances are hard to come by.

That said, if you look at the players with the most playoff ABs in history...let's say you took the top 5 or top 10....I would bet all of them perform the same or slightly worse than their regular season averages.
That's impossible criteria. The person who has the most playoff ABs Jeter has 650, 2nd is Bernie at 465 who by your standards doesn't have a big enough sample size. lol
Convenient for your theory. The playoffs present a different pressure than the regular season and is going to obviously have a smaller sample size so 'one great season' analogy doesn't work.
 

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That's impossible criteria. The person who has the most playoff ABs Jeter has 650, 2nd is Bernie at 465 who by your standards doesn't have a big enough sample size. lol
Convenient for your theory. The playoffs present a different pressure than the regular season and is going to obviously have a smaller sample size so 'one great season' analogy doesn't work.
I don't understand why that's an impossible criteria.

You need a lot of sample to trust the numbers because there's a lot of volatility. The inherent nature of the playoffs does mean that ALL playoff stats are unreliable.

There's nothing wrong with that.

200 ABs, 650 ABs just doesn't mean anything in the big picture.
 

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I don't understand why that's an impossible criteria.

You need a lot of sample to trust the numbers because there's a lot of volatility. The inherent nature of the playoffs does mean that ALL playoff stats are unreliable.

There's nothing wrong with that.

200 ABs, 650 ABs just doesn't mean anything in the big picture.
We observe with our own eyes players rising to the occasion because of and crumbling because of playoff pressure. It's nonsensical to the say it's impossible to measure the difference between regular season and playoff performance of players.
 

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We observe with our own eyes players rising to the occasion because of and crumbling because of playoff pressure. It's nonsensical to the say it's impossible to measure the difference between regular season and playoff performance of players.
It's a narrative argument that isn't backed up statistically though.
Those below are the top 10 players in Playoff ABs.
Their averages or OPS from Regular Season to Playoffs is nearly identical...with maybe exceptions for David Justice and Tino Martinez -- though you should notice that as playoff ABs decrease, the volatility increases also. Makes sense, right? Less ABs mean more noise.

It's not a coincidence that the players at the top of the list have the most similar numbers.

PlayerRegular SeasonPostseason
Derek Jeter.310/.377/.440.308/.374/.465
Bernie Williams.297/.381/.477.275/.371/.480
Jose Altuve.306/.363/.468.271/.337/.505
Jorge Posada.273/.374/.474248/.358/.387
Manny Ramirez.312/.411/.585.285/.394/.544
David Justice.279/.378/.500.224/.335/.382
Kenny Lofton.299/.372/.423.247/.315/.352
Yadier Molina.277/.327/.399.273/.326/.357
Alex Bregman.272/.366/.483.238/.346/.443
Tino Martinez.271/.344/.471.233/.321/.351
 

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It's a narrative argument that isn't backed up statistically though.
Those below are the top 10 players in Playoff ABs.
Their averages or OPS from Regular Season to Playoffs is nearly identical...with maybe exceptions for David Justice and Tino Martinez -- though you should notice that as playoff ABs decrease, the volatility increases also. Makes sense, right? Less ABs mean more noise.

It's not a coincidence that the players at the top of the list have the most similar numbers.

PlayerRegular SeasonPostseason
Derek Jeter.310/.377/.440.308/.374/.465
Bernie Williams.297/.381/.477.275/.371/.480
Jose Altuve.306/.363/.468.271/.337/.505
Jorge Posada.273/.374/.474248/.358/.387
Manny Ramirez.312/.411/.585.285/.394/.544
David Justice.279/.378/.500.224/.335/.382
Kenny Lofton.299/.372/.423.247/.315/.352
Yadier Molina.277/.327/.399.273/.326/.357
Alex Bregman.272/.366/.483.238/.346/.443
Tino Martinez.271/.344/.471.233/.321/.351
Hitting in the playoffs is more difficult than the regular season. You acknowledged the heightened pressure and we all know the pitching is consistently better. So matching your regular season stats is more difficult. Blindly looking at statistics also doesn't account for the situation RBIs/HR were produced. But I guess that wouldn't matter because it's an even smaller sample size. lol
 

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Hitting in the playoffs is more difficult than the regular season. You acknowledged the heightened pressure and we all know the pitching is consistently better. So matching your regular season stats is more difficult. Blindly looking at statistics also doesn't account for the situation RBIs/HR were produced. But I guess that wouldn't matter because it's an even smaller sample size. lol
If Judge was slumping in April (and he was) you wouldn't use the clutch narrative.
You'd recognize it as just pressing, variance, slump, whatever.

I made this thread using a narrative that does go against my personal beliefs in the math, but I trust people see this thread for what it actually is.

That said, you asked me about my thoughts on clutch and I gave my reasons.
 

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If Judge was slumping in April (and he was) you wouldn't use the clutch narrative.
You'd recognize it as just pressing, variance, slump, whatever.

I made this thread using a narrative that does go against my personal beliefs in the math, but I trust people see this thread for what it actually is.

That said, you asked me about my thoughts on clutch and I gave my reasons.
If he was struggling in April but all his RBIs he did get were game tying or game winning I would say he was clutch.
 

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tonight’s hero was without a doubt hometown kid Anthony Volpe, with one clutch grand slam homerun And two stolen bases.

His homerun in the bottom of the 3rd inning was the turning point of game 4, the yanks never looked back after that moment.

Brunson and Lindor have new company now.
 

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tonight’s hero was without a doubt hometown kid Anthony Volpe, with one clutch grand slam homerun And two stolen bases.

His homerun in the bottom of the 3rd inning was the turning point of game 4, the yanks never looked back after that moment.

Brunson and Lindor have new company now.
It's going to take more than that.
 
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