The Opiod epidemic vs the Crack epidemic: America’s double standard approach

[Dwayne_Taylor]

Man fukk Willie D. h'es a c00n.

Some people will use any opportunity to take a shot at black men no matter how unrelated the subject. All that " where are the black men?" rhetoric is played.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

call it "internet nikkas" all you want…you just don't know what you're talking about lol

you can't refute a single thing that i've stated, and your so hard pressed to stick to your narrative that you'll make up anything regardless of how intellectually and factually dishonest it is.

Like I said, if you can't think beyond your blogs, forums and what others have told you--then you won't get it.

You just see thru nikka... and unlike being simply “alive” during that era, I was a part of it... for real... so miss with your pseudo proxy anecdotes about how we felt during that era... cause you a motherfukking lie....

 

[Rawtid]

It isn't a "white mindset" it's just a mindset that doesn't see it your way. You aren't the arbiter and the final say of what is or isn't "black" anyway. I don't care how many websites and blogs you've listened to and read.

And yes, people wanted violence to end, but pre crack, violence was high, but the crack epidemic highlighted the crimes plus it became much much worse in a 5 year span. Check the stats in the crack era (basically 1985 give or take). THe homicides (using NYC as an example) NEARLY DOUBLED 2600 in 1990. It peaked, and people finally said "enough is enough." 3-4 homicides related to drugs everyday in the news. So yeah, it caught people's attention.

I lived in Philly, dope had always been around, but crack put things into hyper speed. It was new, and people did anything for it, they beat, robbed, burglarized anyone, everyone and at anytime. A lot of people got caught up in the BS with it even if they didn't sell it.

Like I said, if you weren't there to witness--you won't get it.


Addicts are a tricky issue, it isn't as cut and dry as you're making it; actual dealers (unrelated to using) were the real problem, but what defined a "dealer" was anyone in possession and involved in ANY type of sale (hand to hand, third party etc).

Dealers aren't DUMB, once they understood the laws, they set up operations with look outs and sometimes they USED addicts to recruit NEW addicts in promise of getting MORE drugs. Get it?


Crack was so in demand that users would also sale and use their own stash. Dealers in some cases became addicts themselves.

SO the law, from my observation, took all of this into account, and basically swept EVERYONE into the same pile.

Whether you agree with that or not will depend on a lot of factors.

I don't disagree that crack wasn't a more violent era, mainly due to how dealers operated, but the point we are trying to make is that black crack addicts were treated as criminals and often jailed, where as white opioid addicts are seen as having an illness an in need of treatment. Do you agree there is a disparity there?

 

[filial_piety]

I don't disagree that crack wasn't a more violent era, mainly due to how dealers operated, but the point we are trying to make is that black crack addicts were treated as criminals and often jailed, where as white opioid addicts are seen as having an illness an in need of treatment. Do you agree there is a disparity there?

Well, the other poster made the argument that the crime rates were comparable, but the enforcement wasn't. He's just flat out wrong.

I'll agree that the sentencing between opioid addicts, and crack addicts is dealt with differently. Maybe race has something to do with it, but i'm not so sure it's the reason. That's a haphazard way of looking at it without all the variables…imo..

I personally think a better disparity to use with race is the sentencing guidelines between free base coke users/dealers and those with raw coke.

Same drug, same violence, different sentencing guidelines. One was predominantly black and poor, the other predominantly white and wealthier.

But Opioids are a different animal…it's mostly behind the scenes, less out in the open compared to the way crack sales were back in the day. And it's primarily bought legally until it is distributed illegally.

So in other words, mere possession of crack is a felony…mere possession of a prescription opioid is NOT a felony (depending on the state), selling it is though AND it's much more difficult to prove that someone is actually selling it.

So for example... if a cop stops you (for whatever reason) searches you (legally or illegally) and you have crack/coke on you…you're done….with opioids, YOU'RE not. You just need to lie and you DON'T have to have the prescription on you.

Plus crack has a lot of violence behind it, opioids…not necessarily. Like I said, usually people get them and sell them on the low…they might need and use them and just sell the ones they don't need.

If you're a cop, prosecutor judge or whatever…it's easier to find, and lock someone up for crack then it is with opioids for those reasons alone.

So that being said, that may explain the incarceration disparities imo.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Maybe race has something to do with it, but i'm not so sure it's the reason. That's a haphazard way of looking at it without all the variables…imo..

I haven’t negged a motherfukka in 5 years... but this is tempting.... you may already be on that list.... but I might need to check with @BmoreGorilla

 

[filial_piety]

I haven’t negged a motherfukka in 5 years... but this is tempting.... you may already be on that list.... but I might need to check with @BmoreGorilla

why do dumb nikkas like this thinking "negging" is a threat….

you're borderline about to go on ignore…I was just ignoring your posts, and sliding by them reading other posts…but now you may have to officially go on there

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

why do dumb nikkas like this thinking "negging" is a threat….

you're borderline about to go on ignore…I was just ignoring your posts, and sliding by them reading other posts…but now you may have to officially go on there

And your reading comprehension is shyt on top of it.... your notion about negging doesnt even apply to me, hence my statement I haven't negged a cat in 5 years..... it aint what I do, nor put a stranger on the internet on "ignore".... but go ahead and put me on ignore like the half of man you probably are in real life......

 

[ISO]

Doesn't have shyt to do with her main premise.... your major cities were already ultra-violent before crack even hit the scene...

Before crack there was heroin

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Crackers are evil, souless people. Here they are openly using heroin in broad daylight in San Fransisco.


Just imagine if it was black people doing this.

Problem with this is that Civic Center has never been safe due to the fact it’s in The Tenderloin which is near court houses, etc..
Open drug use has always happened there..
shyt just walk down Market and 8th
It’s a problem now because it’s affecting money from the tourism sector and tech nerd money..
Plus they are building a new stadium for the Warriors..
I remember seeing the feens going to school catching Muni and never seeing police..
Even at 16th and Mission station, you would see junkies and feens..
But now that it’s hurting the bottom line and affecting cacs..
It’s a problem..
The Tenderloin/ Mission is/was contained but gentrification is changing that..
This is just a puff piece trying to show that something is being done to keep lily whites safe..

 

[ISO]

nyc back in 1990 had like 2200+ homicides because of crack; today it has like 250 with the opioid epidemic. If we saw high rates of homicides, robberies, burglaries etc…we might get a police state again.

The opioid epidemic isn’t really hitting NYC like that especially compared to the crack epidemic and the heroin days of Frank Lucas, Nicky Barnes and ‘em. There’s young boys on the xans, lean, and percs but as far as graduating from prescription pills to pure dope, people in the hoods of NYC aren’t OD’ing like that, it’s more of a problem in suburban and rural white areas.

NYC has 250 murders because it is a heavily patrolled surveillanced police state with mass incarceration. Average dude in the streets sell weed and scam now. Safer and lucrative. The murderous drug environment and gang wars aren’t happening because of that.

 

[Mr. Negative]

Crackers are evil, souless people. Here they are openly using heroin in broad daylight in San Fransisco.


Just imagine if it was black people doing this.

They'd have cops in riot gear with dogs chewing on folks, a shaky hand cam to record it for 60 minutes and the nightly news,

while they take them out in cuffs and body bags, some white dude would magically appear saying "vote for me so we can end this evil, soulless blight on the community"

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

can't fully agree with her…as someone who lived during the crack era, the big difference was the violence associated with it, which led to a different type of enforcement.

nyc back in 1990 had like 2200+ homicides because of crack; today it has like 250 with the opioid epidemic. If we saw high rates of homicides, robberies, burglaries etc…we might get a police state again.

But a lot of the social services in place today that cleaned the place up were because of the crack era. A lot of money and organizing was done to get it to this point.

Thats not true homcide rates where high in the 70s before the crack epidimic to, poverty is what drives it not drugs. Heres a graph that shows the ups and downs of it and it lines up with how well or bad the us economy was doing at the time.

https://goo.gl/images/5wWpM9

It rises during prohibition, the start of the great depression than declines right before WW2 and keeps declining in the 40s and 50s and than slowly starts rising again in the late 60s up until the early 90s.

 

[Duke Dixon]

I don't think harsher criminal penalties are the solution. What happened in the past was wrong and definitely targeted, but we should not do that today.

I believe treatment should be the solution for all addicts, not just for opioids but for crack, heroine, or whatever. I've lost family members that have had health issues due to their drug addiction. If they were able to seek treatment for their addiction I'd believe they'd be alive today.

If they increase the criminal penalty for opioids it will affect the black community too. You can't just say it is a white issue anymore. I personally know many black people that have used percocet or vicodin.

There has also been many rappers, not just the lil's, that rap about taking percocet. It seems like it's being glorified more than weed right now.

I also believe the pharmacy companies that make the drugs are also behind the current legislation, but that's a different topic.

 

[Rawtid]

They'd have cops in riot gear with dogs chewing on folks, a shaky hand cam to record it for 60 minutes and the nightly news,

while they take them out in cuffs and body bags, some white dude would magically appear saying "vote for me so we can end this evil, soulless blight on the community"

They would turn the sprinklers on in that part of the building and wash those black junkies away like germs. there is no way in hell more than two black junkies would even be allowed to congregate there, yet alone openly shoot up.