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Why we don't have inflation is because the economy isn't growing. I agree with his article, but what is his solution? I guess the govt needs to start hiring because it isn't happening privately.

Edit: on top of that @VictorVonDoom every policy he practically advocates is taking place in California right now.
 
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So is this the thread where liberals jerk off to wild, left wing, marxist economic theories, further deluding themselves into the continued belief in more failed pro-communist economic theories?

*takes a shyt in thread*

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Why we don't have inflation is because the economy isn't growing. I agree with his article, but what is his solution? I guess the govt needs to start hiring because it isn't happening privately.

Edit: on top of that [MENTION=397]VictorVonDoom[/MENTION] every policy he practically advocates is taking place in California right now.

The liberals are feeling that state faster than roaches scurrying into their hiding places when someone cuts the light on.:heh:
 

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So is this the thread where liberals jerk off to wild, left wing, marxist economic theories, further deluding themselves into the continued belief in more failed pro-communist economic theories?

*takes a shyt in thread*

*leaves*

Your schtik is getting old.
 

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Why we don't have inflation is because the economy isn't growing. I agree with his article, but what is his solution? I guess the govt needs to start hiring because it isn't happening privately.

Edit: on top of that @VictorVonDoom every policy he practically advocates is taking place in California right now.

Yeah, why not? The economy needs boosting through fiscal stimulus and more monetary stimulus for the foreseeable future.

550,000 public sector jobs have been cut since 2008. That is counter to what has historically happened during other recoveries in our history.

The architects of the initial stimulus wanted it to be about $1.6 trillion and include more robust infrastructure spending, but it was pared in half and made 40% tax cuts.

The liquidity trap is real. People are hoarding cash due to insufficient aggregate demand and interest rates can't get any lower. Ben Bernanke knows it. I don't see any better alternative to following counter-cyclical fiscal policy. Right now we're kind of in a no man's land where we have a weak recovery with nothing but the Fed using QE and other tricks as band-aids.

Your schtik is getting old.

Ignore that idiot.
 
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The Mythical 70s - NYTimes.com

The Mythical 70s

Matt O’Brien is probably right to suggest that Michael Kinsley’s problems — and those of quite a few other people, some of whom have real influence on policy — is that they’re still living in the 1970s. I do, however, resent that thing about 60-year-old men …

But it’s actually even worse than Matt says. For the 1970s such people remember as a cautionary tale bears little resemblance to the 1970s that actually happened.

In elite mythology, the origins of the crisis of the 70s, like the supposed origins of our current crisis, lay in excess: too much debt, too much coddling of those slovenly proles via a strong welfare state. The suffering of 1979-82 was necessary payback.

None of that is remotely true.

There was no deficit problem: government debt was low and stable or falling as a share of GDP during the 70s. Rising welfare rolls may have been a big political problem, but a runaway welfare state more broadly just wasn’t an issue — hey, these days right-wingers complaining about a nation of takers tend to use the low-dependency 70s as a baseline.

What we did have was a wage-price spiral: workers demanding large wage increases (those were the days when workers actually could make demands) because they expected lots of inflation, firms raising prices because of rising costs, all exacerbated by big oil shocks. It was mainly a case of self-fulfilling expectations, and the problem was to break the cycle.

So why did we need a terrible recession? Not to pay for our past sins, but simply as a way to cool the action. Someone — I’m pretty sure it was Martin Baily — described the inflation problem as being like what happens when everyone at a football game stands up to see the action better, and the result is that everyone is uncomfortable but nobody actually gets a better view. And the recession was, in effect, stopping the game until everyone was seated again.

The difference, of course, was that this timeout destroyed millions of jobs and wasted trillions of dollars.

Was there a better way? Ideally, we should have been able to get all the relevant parties in a room and say, look, this inflation has to stop; you workers, reduce your wage demands, you businesses, cancel your price increases, and for our part, we agree to stop printing money so the whole thing is over. That way, you’d get price stability without the recession. And in some small, cohesive countries that is more or less what happened. (Check out the Israeli stabilization of 1985).

But America wasn’t like that, and the decision was made to do it the hard, brutal way. This was not a policy triumph! It was, in a way, a confession of despair.

It worked on the inflation front, although some of the other myths about all that are just as false as the myths about the 1970s. No, America didn’t return to vigorous productivity growth — that didn’t happen until the mid-1990s. 60-year-old men should remember that a decade after the Volcker disinflation we were still very much in a national funk; remember the old joke that the Cold War was over, and Japan won?

So it would be bad enough if we were basing policy today on lessons from the 70s. It’s even worse that we’re basing policy today on a mythical 70s that never was.
 

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does krugman come from a finance or economic background? If you have a masters in financial engineering...your probably great at valuing a company and where it will go in the future but it doesn't translate on an economic scale for an entire country

and economics is filled with different theories as well that can't be proven in a lab and even when concepts are implemented in real life there are so many variables that can be attributed to their success or failure besides the implementation of said theory that it becomes a debate that can almost never be won, especially with shifts in political power that tend to tweak whatever the last party in power was doing
 

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Why we don't have inflation is because the economy isn't growing. I agree with his article, but what is his solution? I guess the govt needs to start hiring because it isn't happening privately.

Edit: on top of that @VictorVonDoom every policy he practically advocates is taking place in California right now.

from that perspective i honestly feel that the White House and guys like Krugman would prefer the growth rate stay in the 1-3% range and unemployment stay at 7-8% because if those numbers start to shift towards more positive economic growth then you will have to deal with inflation which could distort what the higher gdp numbers feel like in reality and what people earn won't necessarily shift as fast as prices will rise so earning power will be behind increasing prices of goods.
 
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I like him. :manny: People hate on him because he's the best in the game right now so he's got the figurative target on his back.
 

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does krugman come from a finance or economic background? If you have a masters in financial engineering...your probably great at valuing a company and where it will go in the future but it doesn't translate on an economic scale for an entire country
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Warren buffet is a genius the way he mastered the float for berthsire Hathaway and averaging a higher return than average on investments all his career... But if he were president he would be a disaster since he would have a french like policy on taxes

Company's maximize shareholder value and finding the right balance of debt and equity to have great free cash flow and profits are the goal

The United States is all debt and it's revenue doesn't come from creating anything in value other than taxing citizens and entities that actually create real value in the marketplace
 

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Warren buffet is a genius the way he mastered the float for berthsire Hathaway and averaging a higher return than average on investments all his career... But if he were president he would be a disaster since he would have a french like policy on taxes

Company's maximize shareholder value and finding the right balance of debt and equity to have great free cash flow and profits are the goal

The United States is all debt and it's revenue doesn't come from creating anything in value other than taxing citizens and entities that actually create real value in the marketplace
You don't know that Krugman is a Nobel prize winning economist who teaches at Princeton?
 
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