The Problem With "Not Protecting" Black Women Is It Bleeds Itself Into Other Faucets Of The Community...

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First quote, you missed the point as usual. The poster I quoted said no one but BM look out for each other when we have endless examples of BW looking out for BM. Read in context.

Second quote, I agree. I think women should stop looking towards your demographic for protection. But I clearly stated the post you quoted.

That poster is a white man from the UK
 

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Blackness is all we have.

You aren't wrong Though. But I prefer to have conversations and listen to black people particularly women in real life and get real context on their struggles.
The conversations I personally see irl and online are the same.

I have a friend right now in jail because she finally decided to defend herself against her abuser. She's been in jail over 6 month. Her trial is next month.

There is no difference from what I see. Not everyone lives online abd doesn't have a life.
 

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i protect the women i love

the women who protected me before i could protect myself(mother grands aunts etcetera)

the women who fed me clothed me sheltered me before i could do all those things for myself

the women that sacrificed & put me before themselves

i go as far for them as they will for me & the places they can't go i go for them

random women i don't know the heart or character of can't get the same service i am not a fool & thus will not be a tool ha

a lot of men get used to the point of forfeiting their life

women will do wrong then manipulate foolish men to defend them

women will send men to do wrong on false premise

all types of shyte ranging from benign to terminal

i will not jump up & save someone from their just due

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It baffles me that some women are trying to turn this into a gender issue when dudes get knocked out and it's a viral thing: :dead:

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Brehs will get their pockets ran and everything, waking up pounds lighter. Not saying the same shyt should happen to women but context is key. :dead:
I do find it interesting that the women that talk the most shyt about black men and are just insufferable overall are the ones most shook by this. Like it was a reminder that if something happened to them, they may very well be on their own. :conceit:
 
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The problem is simple

No daddy in they lives.. cycle continues of mama picking shytty men and it passes down to the daughter and so on and so on..

Don’t be mad at all black men, be mad at the one who nutted up in mama and broke camp. And blame your mama as well
This 100%.

The sistas that I know almost all have good boyfriends and husband's because they knew how to pick them........because they had good men around as examples of what they should expect from a man.

The ones that struggled....mostly didn't have a father around and had to learn the hard way.

Even women with problematic fathers in the picture at least learn what NOT to do.

For men, it's different. Most brehs grow up with a mother in the home and fuccboi tendencies can happen whether you have a daddy at home or not. A dad will discourage is daughter from being a heaux but hype his son if lil man is a playa. Single mom won't care as long as her son isn't bringing her grandbabies at 16.
 

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A lot of men have no sense of self, masculinity, or their place in the world. It's not fake bravado, it's not "do what I say, woman" nor is it whatever Andrew Tate-style bullshyt that is peddled today. It's about leadership and protection. Your role, historically, has been to protect your family and community. Your role, historically, has been to lead your family. This doesn't mean you're a crash dummy for random women, throwing yourself into dangerous situations for people who don't love or know you. Nor does it mean being a dictator in the home, who controls the household while your gf/wife/etc has no say in anything. It means what it says it means: protect your family and your community. Your girlfriend, wife, children, other family members. Your community, meaning your neighbors, classmates, etc.

You can't do this if you don't respect or value your gf/wife. You can't do this if you're not in your children's lives. You can't do this if you don't know who your neighbors are, have never spoken to them, and brush off any attempt to meet them. Do you want to lead, or do you want to simply tell people you're the leader while not actually leading anyone? Do you want to protect, or do you want to tell people you're a protector while having no relationship with your family beyond showing up to holiday dinners?

You either take up these mantles or you don't. And until we see a return of honor and shame amongst MEN, none of this is going to change. I can't be friends with a man who doesn't take care of his children. I can't hang out with a man who actively cheats on his spouse. I surround myself with honorable men, and we support each other. We have no control over what the latest gender war narrative will be online. We have complete control over our actions, the example we set, and the women we entertain. Raise your standards, gentlemen.
 

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:mjlol: Gender really a performance and much as it's a prison. If you gonna "rahrah I'm a man, be submisssive", you need to actually be what this culture dictates what a man suppose to be. Get off the forum, invest your community or else these convos are pointless.

And also don't let social media tell you men aren't protecting/serving, I see it irl.
 

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A lot of men have no sense of self, masculinity, or their place in the world. It's not fake bravado, it's not "do what I say, woman" nor is it whatever Andrew Tate-style bullshyt that is peddled today. It's about leadership and protection. Your role, historically, has been to protect your family and community. Your role, historically, has been to lead your family. This doesn't mean you're a crash dummy for random women, throwing yourself into dangerous situations for people who don't love or know you. Nor does it mean being a dictator in the home, who controls the household while your gf/wife/etc has no say in anything. It means what it says it means: protect your family and your community. Your girlfriend, wife, children, other family members. Your community, meaning your neighbors, classmates, etc.

You can't do this if you don't respect or value your gf/wife. You can't do this if you're not in your children's lives. You can't do this if you don't know who your neighbors are, have never spoken to them, and brush off any attempt to meet them. Do you want to lead, or do you want to simply tell people you're the leader while not actually leading anyone? Do you want to protect, or do you want to tell people you're a protector while having no relationship with your family beyond showing up to holiday dinners?

You either take up these mantles or you don't. And until we see a return of honor and shame amongst MEN, none of this is going to change. I can't be friends with a man who doesn't take care of his children. I can't hang out with a man who actively cheats on his spouse. I surround myself with honorable men, and we support each other. We have no control over what the latest gender war narrative will be online. We have complete control over our actions, the example we set, and the women we entertain. Raise your standards, gentlemen.
What you all stated here is the truth. Unfortunately, this truth is not what this circumstance is about. See, what is being complained about is men not jumping to protect women who would not dine to even listen to said men when we warn them their actions have consequences. You can't protect a person who does not want to be protected, well until the shyt hits the fan and now they expect everyone they ignore to come in and fix the problem.

No man who has responsibilities is obligated to protect people like that. The desire to be protected needs to be married with the desire to be a person worthy of that protection. So a woman seen as pillar of the community, a person who helps instead of causing problems, will have a far greater chance of being protected by said community. A woman who causes havoc, is a known trouble maker, and explicitly states she does not need the community will receive far more side-eyes when she comes running back complaining about how the community did not do what she explicitly stated she did not need the community to do.

This also goes for men too, but men are far less likely to expect said protection in the first place. A man out in the streets causing havoc for the most part understands that the community overall is not going to bail his arse out when things go bad. A man who is a pillar of the community knows he will have help in times of need, because he is also one of the ones that supply help in times of need.

The true glue that binds and builds a community is respect and reciprocation. You have respect, you will carry yourself with respect and treat those around you with respect. You will also avoid those who have no self-respect and have no capacity to give respect. Reciprocation will help each other in our times of need those worthy of that help (i.e. not causing problems in the first place). Those causing havoc can't expect those who are doing right by each other to come to their rescue unless they are family and friends.
 

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Maybe I'm reading too deep into the shyt and maybe I got my simp goggles on a little too tight.
might need to talk with my optometrist
but don't expect me to be on some the black woman can do no wrong steeze either
however
the notion that we don't intervene on one another, or check to see if a mfer needs assistance
look out for one another
ain't just gonna end with these women and hoes.
That's the biggest problem with mfers, and no, it ain't just black people
but Americans in general
motherfukkers always wanna past the buck or come up with excuse, after excuse
as to why they aren't apart of a community
but then wanna cry that the sky falling
in our case about black mobility
Cause one thing I learned
it never just stops at the woman, it extends in itself.
like a stutter step.
First its "well why should I care some loudmouth thot catching the fade like ol boy in Meance II Society"
then it goes to
"well why should I care some dusty ass breh getting hassled by the police etc. cause he hang at the gas station all day"
I mean shyt
motherfukkers already get annoyed they gotta pay taxes for other peoples kids
So maybe we're half way there this whole time.

1 Peter 4:8-11. 8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 9 Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10 Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms
I agree.

If you want a community, and want your community to develop, then you have to support those within your community.
Protection is a community-led effort.
 

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It's been 1k threads on this shyt lol.

Breh I forgot what I was even talking about
Also
@Big Boda lets keep the diaspora nonsense out of this, I am not Somalian. Theres nothing wrong with being somalian but I can trace my family lineage all the way back to South Carolina.

Lets keep it clean.
 

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Breh I forgot what I was even talking about
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@Big Boda lets keep the diaspora nonsense out of this, I am not Somalian. Theres nothing wrong with being somalian but I can trace my family lineage all the way back to South Carolina.

Lets keep it clean.

Negged, one starred, frown dap, blocked GG
 

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What you all stated here is the truth. Unfortunately, this truth is not what this circumstance is about. See, what is being complained about is men not jumping to protect women who would not dine to even listen to said men when we warn them their actions have consequences. You can't protect a person who does not want to be protected, well until the shyt hits the fan and now they expect everyone they ignore to come in and fix the problem.

No man who has responsibilities is obligated to protect people like that. The desire to be protected needs to be married with the desire to be a person worthy of that protection. So a woman seen as pillar of the community, a person who helps instead of causing problems, will have a far greater chance of being protected by said community. A woman who causes havoc, is a known trouble maker, and explicitly states she does not need the community will receive far more side-eyes when she comes running back complaining about how the community did not do what she explicitly stated she did not need the community to do.

This also goes for men too, but men are far less likely to expect said protection in the first place. A man out in the streets causing havoc for the most part understands that the community overall is not going to bail his arse out when things go bad. A man who is a pillar of the community knows he will have help in times of need, because he is also one of the ones that supply help in times of need.

The true glue that binds and builds a community is respect and reciprocation. You have respect, you will carry yourself with respect and treat those around you with respect. You will also avoid those who have no self-respect and have no capacity to give respect. Reciprocation will help each other in our times of need those worthy of that help (i.e. not causing problems in the first place). Those causing havoc can't expect those who are doing right by each other to come to their rescue unless they are family and friends.

Here's what I'd say about listening. The extent I'm able to help you depends on the extent you listened to me. I tell this to my cousin all the time: there's not much of anything I can do if you get kicked out of school for bad grades, however I can help you improve your grades so you don't get kicked out in the first place. I told a family member during the quarantine that if you're having issues with rent, the time to tell the family is NOW - not months down the line when you've racked up thousands of dollars in unpaid rent and an eviction order is on the books. As this pertains to protecting women...we've all seen The Godfather right. If your sister is being abused by a man that has to be dealt with immediately. Not "he didn't mean it" or "it was my fault." Either you have to go, or he has to go. You're either going to listen, or you're not going to listen. And the difference between you listening or not is the difference between me helping you move out of his house, and me helping identify your body at the morgue.

These are all examples of how leadership and protection can play out with family. You'd hope your family loves you enough to listen to you and NOT put you in bad situations, where you may not be able to help them as much as you want. What about non-family, and non-community? Like you said, we have no obligation to go out our way to intervene or save or inform people we do not know. Now does that mean I'd sit back and watch a woman get beat up in McDonalds? Probably not. But you get my point: my focus is on my people, not random people. And I hope my people don't put me in bad situations.

It's worth noting that this convo was sparked by vile, deplorable woman getting hit with a brick for slapping and harassing a man. She could have died and I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest she won't live much longer if she continues to antagonize people. That's not my concern or my problem. No one in my family acts like that, no one in my community acts like that, and I'm not sure many people in any community act like that.
 
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