The real reason why LL didn't take his verse off and got at Canibus...

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Me too. That was a DOPE album too.


That album was awful, my dude.
Anyway,....
Any emcee knows,....
You never pull or say the bullshyt cani said in subs on 4321.
What cani us pulled was more of his disrespect legends shyt, he pulled and got served by red.
That signaled the beginning to the end for him.

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but I think at the time he would've had more followers, so he could basically be in the Big Pun category minus the radio hits for girls

I think cats that fukks with his music know he's not that type of rapper

but yeah he wouldn't have more radio hits that Rihanna or no shyt

nah. im not talking about radio hits. that's my fault tho. "jams" was a lazy word. I should've said "bangers".

he had a huge banger in "2nd round knockout". and it translated into a hit record as well. but he never followed up.

i'll say this tho. if "2000 bc" was his debut and it had "2nd round knockout" on it, he would've been in okay standing.

That album was awful, my dude.
Anyway,....
Any emcee knows,....
You never pull or say the bullshyt cani said in subs on 4321.
What cani us pulled was more of his disrespect legends shyt, he pulled and got served by red.That signaled the beginning to the end for him.

Art Barr

you lost me here.

redman always said that he never thought cannibus was going at LL.
 

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nah. im not talking about radio hits. that's my fault tho. "jams" was a lazy word. I should've said "bangers".

he had a huge banger in "2nd round knockout". and it translated into a hit record as well. but he never followed up.

i'll say this tho. if "2000 bc" was his debut and it had "2nd round knockout" on it, he would've been in okay standing.



you lost me here.

redman always said that he never thought cannibus was going at LL.

I am talking about when Redman served and created the chink in cani's armor with the lo mein freestyle.
That made it so, LL had a weak point and momentum to finish cani off.
After the lo mein freestyle,...cani was completely exposed, humanized and a blueprint was made to beat him.

If that never happens,.....
Public perception still has cani as unbeatable.
Plus, the public perception to get rid of older commercial old school way of thought rappers.
before their time is still an active witch hunt.
At that exact time,...
If there was no Redman lo mein freestyle.
Cani actually had a chance regardless of quality of record.
To usher in a new aggressive lyricist draw.
As the lyricism rich records regardless of auxiliary parts.
Such as production, mixing and mastering would have taken a back seat to just straight dope lyricism, track to track.
That would have swept out any and every other type of rapper from drawing at that exact time.
It would have been similar to when the new school way of thought emcees, krs, ra, bdk and others.
Made the old school way of thought rappers except LL appear as obsolete.
As LL, was/is still the only active drawing relevant old school way of thought rapper in history.
If no redman/lo nein confrontation.

I think LL would have lost the battle just off perception alone.
Regardless of the high quality record that ripper strikes back is.
If no red/lo mein,..public perception would have swayed the battle of just pure semantics and perception completely into cani's favor.
redman's lo mein freestyle,...
I think also turned Defjam back on as relevant talent wise as well.
As it swung exposure/interest back on to the roster and its talent level.
Coupled with the dmx, fake tupac marketing Doppleganger video for getatmedog.
Complete with mysteriously purposeful mtv banning of said video.
Mixed in with dmx's debut album including ripper strikes back.
It all spelled the end for cani on every front or situation.
That could have brought cani victory past just rhymes.

Art Barr
 
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