THE REALNESS: The Lesser Rosenberg Declares Eminem The G.O.A.T.

[mr.africa]

the horribly aging catalog and a couple of guys named nas,rakim,g rap, big,pac,scarface and the list goes on......keep him from being GOAT!!!!
it is what it is!!!!

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Music is all personal preference

This is sports where you have stats to back up who is the better then next guy

And when it comes to MC'in you have lyrics to back up who's better than the next guy.

 

[Elle Driver]

A cac callin anotha cac the greatest MC.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Okay I feel you but is that fair? Can't I turn around and say MJ ain't the greatest cause basketball was invented with nonathletic white mopes in mind? You think if Prof. Naismith had any idea how fukkin DOMINANT the black players were gonna be because of their superior athleticism, he mighta wrote the rules a lil different? Fact is black people walked through the door and brought their own flavor to it and we judge them based on skill and dominance alone. We don't hold it against Mike cause the rim is only 10 feet high and he was dunkin on skinny white dudes with cement shoes.

Hip hop might be rooted in black culture but if black people wanted to keep it to themselves then they should have never left the block with it. Now that it's out there for everyone to consume, other races are gonna bring THEIR own flavor to it. All that matters at the end of the day is skill and you can't deny Em's skill. This is hip hop. If Em ain't the greatest then prove him wrong. If he ain't rap god then make him understand why. Step in the booth and show and prove.

Opinions are opinions...If someone wants to declare Em the goat....then they have that right....Star, a Black man, till this day says Lary Bird is better then Jordon and Magic Johnson.........what I'm saying is that Eminem came out in 1999 and became a new millinium rapper....His impact happened in the 2000's till now.........when you put every rappers career on a scale and say Em is #1...That means you are disregarding everything LL Cool J did in the 80's ,90's and the 2000's. You are disregarding everything KRS did in the 80's, 90's and 2000's...U are disregarding everything Ice Cube did in the 80's, 90's and 2000's. Mind you LL, KRS and Cube all have at one point spoke in regards to the Black experience in their music. Em hasn't because he can't. Em is a minority in a genre where 90% of the popular rappers are Black. It is because of the fact that 90% of the popular rappers are Black that Black people can relate to Hip Hop. Black people cant relate to the white mans experience....Yes, Hip Hop has white fans....But those white fans are fans of a music that is 90% Black.........to put Em at #1 means to put a white man who came out in the new millinium as #1 in a genre that has been 90% Black since the 70's while disregarding the fact that Em cant relate to the Black experience. LOL....That doesnt even sound right .....The only Black folks who can relate to Em are those who want careers as rappers because Em has layed a blueprint in that area. KRS had an album called Edutainment that I have yet to see 1 rapper be able to outdo just off the content alone.....MMLP was good but there is no way you can put that album up against Edutainment and disregard Edutainment....Unless you are non white and cant relate. If I put the sillyness of Slim Shady LP up against Cubes seriousness on Death Certificate....I'd be off disregarding Death Certificate and declaring Slim Shady LP the winner. Em had 8 Mile but Cube had Boyz N The Hood and Friday. Mind you I haven't even spoke of white privelage giving Em an advantage.

 

[Art Barr]

to be the goat you have to have dominated all competition in your battles.
plus, have no skill deficiencies for the type of content you perform in general in your discography.
In em's case,...
He was dominated in battle and owned't.
plus, he lacks vocal tonality and makes girl records and attempts at black urban style records.
where that is needed and fails skill wise to pocket those style of rhymes.
which destroys his ability to create convincability in every type of record he creates.

Em may not be the goat, but I enjoy the convo and dispelling the idea in the conversation.
As the contingent to mark eminem the goat,..
Is not as narcissistic as the other contingent to erroneously crown fake false goats.


Art Barr

 

[ROFL_GUY]

oh they

 

[Art Barr]

Cause he said hip hop was created out of the black experience and because of that a white man could never be considered the greatest rapper.

So that's like sayin a black man could never be the greatest basketball player cause basketball was created a by an old white professor who most likely never intended for "coloreds" to partake in his game. Basketball was created from the "early 1900's white male experience". So when Wilt came in and bodied the entire league and dropped 100 and when Bill Russell started grabbin all these rebounds... those don't count I guess cause the game wasn't created with them in mind.

Whatever even if it's not a perfect analogy... it's the principle.


edit: And isn't hip hop a sport too? There's a competitive foundation underneath it all no?

culturally, the thought to entertain.
the discussion of another white cat, outside of Eminem, as the goat.
is not gonna ever be up for discussIon as a goat candidate.
or even as great of an white emcee as eminem, after eminem.
Simply, because they will never put in the all the work, culturally and for their pillar, skillwise.


culturally at this point, there is no one to drive that type of talent.
on top of, the disrespect from the racial climate being compromised by vanilla ice.
that excluded eminem no longer exists.
To fuel that individual of that color, to be singularly be that good.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Opinions are opinions...If someone wants to declare Em the goat....then they have that right....Star, a Black man, till this day says Lary Bird is better then Jordon and Magic Johnson.........what I'm saying is that Eminem came out in 1999 and became a new millinium rapper....His impact happened in the 2000's till now.........when you put every rappers career on a scale and say Em is #1...That means you are disregarding everything LL Cool J did in the 80's ,90's and the 2000's. You are disregarding everything KRS did in the 80's, 90's and 2000's...U are disregarding everything Ice Cube did in the 80's, 90's and 2000's. Mind you LL, KRS and Cube all have at one point spoke in regards to the Black experience in their music. Em hasn't because he can't. Em is a minority in a genre where 90% of the popular rappers are Black. It is because of the fact that 90% of the popular rappers are Black that Black people can relate to Hip Hop. Black people cant relate to the white mans experience....Yes, Hip Hop has white fans....But those white fans are fans of a music that is 90% Black.........to put Em at #1 means to put a white man who came out in the new millinium as #1 in a genre that has been 90% Black since the 70's while disregarding the fact that Em cant relate to the Black experience. LOL....That doesnt even sound right .....The only Black folks who can relate to Em are those who want careers as rappers because Em has layed a blueprint in that area. KRS had an album called Edutainment that I have yet to see 1 rapper be able to outdo just off the content alone.....MMLP was good but there is no way you can put that album up against Edutainment and disregard Edutainment....Unless you are non white and cant relate. If I put the sillyness of Slim Shady LP up against Cubes seriousness on Death Certificate....I'd be off disregarding Death Certificate and declaring Slim Shady LP the winner. Em had 8 Mile but Cube had Boyz N The Hood and Friday. Mind you I haven't even spoke of white privelage giving Em an advantage.

prolific posting.....

I think culturally, Eminem amoung real bboys of his actual pillar, and in the other pillars.
who know the skillset, well enough to speak on it and are the REAL authority on who the goat is.
would never actually ever praise Eminem over the real goat, KRS.
or even other possible former candidates in the discussion, before krs resolidified his status.
with krs's late 2ooo to present run,..that firmly established him all time as the best with no dispute.
so, I know in that discussion.
eminem, would not ever be in their discussion legitmately.
plus, the idea of white privilege does not exist for eminem.
as he actually showed and proved against all and lost to the absolute best.
to dispel any type of idea that eminem is given white privilege in the culture and the pillar.
eminem is not looked at as some color in the culture.
maybe in public, where we deal with the outside bulshyt.
we are mindful, but I don't think when around that eminem or his peoples.
is eminem, given any type of white privilege whatsoever.
yet, Eminem earned this in actual weighted battles.
plus, a great interaction socially.
to earn not being subjected to the idea of white privilege in the culture.


the only people you have to defend against the propaganda of white privilege.
is the outside the cultural world of real bboys/bgirls in hiphop.
when it is populated by fans of the culture and music.
who lack any understanding fully of the culture.
who lack knowledge of self, and have no idea about what this world really is.
those are the types of people,..
you would deal with white privilege being part of the discussion.



art barr

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I mean from a technical perspective yes Em is up there at the very top of the heap.

But it just depends what you like. Music-wise I feel like Em doesn't make a lot of great songs, and for me, classic albums are more important than your ability to have good "rhyme schemes" or "technical rhyming" as our very own Rhyme King would say.

I only care about listening to multis if the music is good.

Don't get is twisted, Em has made some good music, especially earlier in his career, but he's also made more cringe-inducing, 2nd hand embarrassing, downright awful records of ANYONE ELSE THAT GETS MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE HEAP.

He picks bad beats, he has a lot of terrible hooks, and just some bad (Encore) to average (Relapse or Recovery or both depending on who you are) albums.

MMLP was his best album. Infinite, SSLP, and Eminem Show were all good albums but nothing after has honestly been spectacular. That's a decade since a truly good Eminem album.

That said I'll tie it back to my first sentence. The motherfukker can rap his ass off and I always will give him a chance. He has so many great pieces around him in terms of production and all the resources but never gets it done. I don't understand it. Alchemist is his DJ. He's used good beats before, but then goes right back to an awful one. He recorded a ton of records with Just Blaze for Recovery that were by all acounts fukking bonkers from everyone that heard them. But he cut a bunch and used Cold Wind Blows (dope), No Love, and Never Over...

I even heard the Cold Wind Blows beat was way crazier but he made changes to it.