I remember when David Banner said that when he spit a hot verse in front of the Wu Tang and they laughed at him for being a southerner, that was fukked up. As much as I love the Wu, it was karma that finished NY rap on the mainstream.
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I remember when David Banner said that when he spit a hot verse in front of the Wu Tang and they laughed at him for being a southerner, that was fukked up. As much as I love the Wu, it was karma that finished NY rap on the mainstream.
NYC liked Outkast, we just didn't think they deserved to win that award/were better than our artists. You're really exaggerating NYC's "hatred" for other regions. I wouldn't say that we waived a "white flag", I think a lot of the younger demographic actually liked the music and others aren't as interested as they once were.
In NY everyone raps.
Oh i agree, that's another hole in OP & the rest of them theory. There's clearly been a shift in hiphop culturally away from the inner city to the suburbs. NY doesn't lack rappers in the hood or ghetto's, it lacks suburban rappers. Saying NY lacks suburban rappers would be a better point then blaming gentrification...and it would still be wrong.
Yeah I remember those days when people still thought that all southern rappers are mentally slow. When the likes of Luda and Ti blew up, people HAD to accept that.
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Because them old 1990 rappers can't accept change period
Keep on talking about we need to bring new york back. back to what??
When will the Krs-1's and DJ premier's of new york rap scene realize time has change.. u either change with the rest of the world or fall off like blockbuster
stop complaining about other regions and make some music the kids can relate to even if the message the same change the way u address them with your lyrics..
Nas & JAy the only niqqa's in new york who know how to change with the time. smh
Keep on talking about we need to bring new york back. back to what??
When will the Krs-1's and DJ premier's of new york rap scene realize time has change.. u either change with the rest of the world or fall off like blockbuster
stop complaining about other regions and make some music the kids can relate to even if the message the same change the way u address them with your lyrics..
Nas & JAy the only niqqa's in new york who know how to change with the time. smh
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THE MECCA OF HIP HOP
1st for all the NON-New Yorkers. Please don't speak on NY Culture when you know nothing about it. Next as far as NYC not having an idenity is so false. NY will always be NY. Just cause a certain mainstream rappers are rapping a certain way doesn't mean NY lost it's indenity. There are plenty of underground emcees here still spitting. The issue isn't NY lost it's idenity. The issue is Hop Hop Lost it's Lyricism. You have folks today thinking Drake represent Lyrical when 90's Lower Teir emcees would rap circles around him and most of the rappers in the game today. Lyricism is the reason NY isn't where it should be. Hip Hop threw Lyrics in the bushes. NYC is known for Legendary Lyricism. No Region can say that but NY. South can't say it, West can't say it, Midwest can't say it. NYC is know for it's Lyrics. As for as Production. Sampling laws changed which hurt NYC 's sound. I don't knock Tim and the Neptunes or Dre and g funk sound cause I feel they brought something to Hip Hop. But nothing to me messes with a gutter Premo beat done right with Lyricism.
As for Gentrification. It's true, I was walking through Marcy and Bedstuy and Biggie and Jay would not recognized their neighborhoods today. There are still Blacks and Latinos there but there are so many Rich White Hipters trying to live out their hip hop fantasies there too. NY is clearly trying to price Blacks and other minorities out of their hoods. NY is basically a Police State now also which is making it even harder for minorities dealing with the bias a$$ NYPD. But even then New York has something that other regions don't. New York IS Hip Hop. When you see the graffiti or ride the train or are in different borroughs. It's in the air, it's apart of the City. Who else can say that? Also Let's not act like New York ain't running Hip Hop business cause they are as Puff, Jay and 50 routinely top the Forbes list. Also a new NYC rapper coming up has it harder than other regions.
How do you live up to Biggie, Jay Z, NaS, Rakim, Kane and KRS? If I'm a new rapper outta NY I have to climb a damn mountain top to even be in that discussion. Other regions don't have to live by those standards. Also New York always has a TOP rapper in the game in every era, no region can say that. Even now in the so called Drought. NaS still dropping #1 albums, Jay is on top the world and yes even Nicki is popular. New York still has the most Classic rap albums of any region. So though the movement isn't as strong as the 80's and 90's. I think other regions are jumping up and down about nothing. Being on "Top" in Hip Hop is a temporary thing that shifts back and forth. But being the MECCA of Hip Hop. The Origin of Hip Hop never leaves, never dies. So again the O/P got it wrong. It's not a matter of New York never coming back. New York never left and will always be the representation of Hip Hop. In conclusion though he's been an underachiever, Papoose did NY justice on that Premo record.
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THE MECCA OF HIP HOP
1st for all the NON-New Yorkers. Please don't speak on NY Culture when you know nothing about it. Next as far as NYC not having an idenity is so false. NY will always be NY. Just cause a certain mainstream rappers are rapping a certain way doesn't mean NY lost it's indenity. There are plenty of underground emcees here still spitting. The issue isn't NY lost it's idenity. The issue is Hop Hop Lost it's Lyricism. You have folks today thinking Drake represent Lyrical when 90's Lower Teir emcees would rap circles around him and most of the rappers in the game today. Lyricism is the reason NY isn't where it should be. Hip Hop threw Lyrics in the bushes. NYC is known for Legendary Lyricism. No Region can say that but NY. South can't say it, West can't say it, Midwest can't say it. NYC is know for it's Lyrics. As for as Production. Sampling laws changed which hurt NYC 's sound. I don't knock Tim and the Neptunes or Dre and g funk sound cause I feel they brought something to Hip Hop. But nothing to me messes with a gutter Premo beat done right with Lyricism.
As for Gentrification. It's true, I was walking through Marcy and Bedstuy and Biggie and Jay would not recognized their neighborhoods today. There are still Blacks and Latinos there but there are so many Rich White Hipters trying to live out their hip hop fantasies there too. NY is clearly trying to price Blacks and other minorities out of their hoods. NY is basically a Police State now also which is making it even harder for minorities dealing with the bias a$$ NYPD. But even then New York has something that other regions don't. New York IS Hip Hop. When you see the graffiti or ride the train or are in different borroughs. It's in the air, it's apart of the City. Who else can say that? Also Let's not act like New York ain't running Hip Hop business cause they are as Puff, Jay and 50 routinely top the Forbes list. Also a new NYC rapper coming up has it harder than other regions.
How do you live up to Biggie, Jay Z, NaS, Rakim, Kane and KRS? If I'm a new rapper outta NY I have to climb a damn mountain top to even be in that discussion. Other regions don't have to live by those standards. Also New York always has a TOP rapper in the game in every era, no region can say that. Even now in the so called Drought. NaS still dropping #1 albums, Jay is on top the world and yes even Nicki is popular. New York still has the most Classic rap albums of any region. So though the movement isn't as strong as the 80's and 90's. I think other regions are jumping up and down about nothing. Being on "Top" in Hip Hop is a temporary thing that shifts back and forth. But being the MECCA of Hip Hop. The Origin of Hip Hop never leaves, never dies. So again the O/P got it wrong. It's not a matter of New York never coming back. New York never left and will always be the representation of Hip Hop. In conclusion though he's been an underachiever, Papoose did NY justice on that Premo record.
Papoose "Turn It Up" Produced By DJ Premier - YouTube
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You dudes running around worrying about your region being "On Top" meanwhile New York is being put in the damn Smithsonian for inventing Hip Hop. New York ain't worried about being on "Top" anymore, we on to more Historic things now.
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nikka kilt his whole post by posting a papoose song
THE MECCA OF HIP HOP
1st for all the NON-New Yorkers. Please don't speak on NY Culture when you know nothing about it. Next as far as NYC not having an idenity is so false. NY will always be NY. Just cause a certain mainstream rappers are rapping a certain way doesn't mean NY lost it's indenity. There are plenty of underground emcees here still spitting. The issue isn't NY lost it's idenity. The issue is Hop Hop Lost it's Lyricism. You have folks today thinking Drake represent Lyrical when 90's Lower Teir emcees would rap circles around him and most of the rappers in the game today. Lyricism is the reason NY isn't where it should be. Hip Hop threw Lyrics in the bushes. NYC is known for Legendary Lyricism. No Region can say that but NY. South can't say it, West can't say it, Midwest can't say it. NYC is know for it's Lyrics. As for as Production. Sampling laws changed which hurt NYC 's sound. I don't knock Tim and the Neptunes or Dre and g funk sound cause I feel they brought something to Hip Hop. But nothing to me messes with a gutter Premo beat done right with Lyricism.
As for Gentrification. It's true, I was walking through Marcy and Bedstuy and Biggie and Jay would not recognized their neighborhoods today. There are still Blacks and Latinos there but there are so many Rich White Hipters trying to live out their hip hop fantasies there too. NY is clearly trying to price Blacks and other minorities out of their hoods. NY is basically a Police State now also which is making it even harder for minorities dealing with the bias a$$ NYPD. But even then New York has something that other regions don't. New York IS Hip Hop. When you see the graffiti or ride the train or are in different borroughs. It's in the air, it's apart of the City. Who else can say that? Also Let's not act like New York ain't running Hip Hop business cause they are as Puff, Jay and 50 routinely top the Forbes list. Also a new NYC rapper coming up has it harder than other regions.
How do you live up to Biggie, Jay Z, NaS, Rakim, Kane and KRS? If I'm a new rapper outta NY I have to climb a damn mountain top to even be in that discussion. Other regions don't have to live by those standards. Also New York always has a TOP rapper in the game in every era, no region can say that. Even now in the so called Drought. NaS still dropping #1 albums, Jay is on top the world and yes even Nicki is popular. New York still has the most Classic rap albums of any region. So though the movement isn't as strong as the 80's and 90's. I think other regions are jumping up and down about nothing. Being on "Top" in Hip Hop is a temporary thing that shifts back and forth. But being the MECCA of Hip Hop. The Origin of Hip Hop never leaves, never dies. So again the O/P got it wrong. It's not a matter of New York never coming back. New York never left and will always be the representation of Hip Hop. In conclusion though he's been an underachiever, Papoose did NY justice on that Premo record.
Papoose "Turn It Up" Produced By DJ Premier - YouTube
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now imagine if you include Westchester, Jersey and Long Island
People are just not into the grimey old school sound of NY hip hop anymore...aint nothing wrong with that. Just like everything ish evolves...and it is what it is. Joey Badass, and Vado got that traditional NY sound, but not many people is checkin for em like that.
