The Second Stimulus Discussion Thread

[Jekyll]

I don't want any sympathy as I know what the game is and how it's always been operated. Lobbyist and dirty money has been running rampant in in Congress for years and helps influence the decisions that they make. It's lobbyist on both sides with their own best interest at heart. I have said that since the day I got on this site and before COVID-19 hit, so my rhetoric is nothing new.

A lot of people have been living "willfully ignorant" for years with what's been going on in Congress and how they operate. They didn't care though as they were too busy living life and everything going on around to them to know how they've been played. It took COVID-19 and them losing everything that they had for them to realize what's going on in front of them the entire time.

Politics is definitely dirty. Which is why its of upmost importance for people to actually learn why and how stuff works the way it does. If someone promises you something or sells you something, you should know how they would deliver what they promised or sold. Its the “bridge in brookyln” saying personified. If you’re dumb enough to buy into an offer without doing the least bit of due diligence then you deserve what happens to you imo.

People who vote should be alot more informed than they are about politics and economics.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

the concern needs to be whether the increase of minimum wage makes it (I doubt it) but of course Americans don't see the bigger picture.

however at the rate they're going currently they might fukk around and tank the whole bill.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Politics is definitely dirty. Which is why its of upmost importance for people to actually learn why and how stuff works the way it does. If someone promises you something or sells you something, you should know how they would deliver what they promised or sold. Its the “bridge in brookyln” saying personified. If you’re dumb enough to buy into an offer without doing the least bit of due diligence then you deserve what happens to you imo.

Unfortunately, you have people that will still fall for the game time and time again.

Politics is the one industry where you can be the scum of the earth and make promises that you know aren't realistic or can't easily be achieved and still find a way to win in the end. As long as a politician is willing to do the bidding of lobbyist or the big money and power players, then they'll usually always find a way to win in the end.

Those people in Congress or government positions don't know shyt about the "millions, billions and trillions" of dollars they argue about publicly no more than the average person. They are literally just the figurehead to get things passed.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

the concern needs to be whether the increase of minimum wage makes it (I doubt it) but of course Americans don't see the bigger picture.

however at the rate they're going currently they might fukk around and tank the whole bill.

Can they do the $15 dollars using the reconciliation process? I keep hearing conflicting things.

Sanders says yes they can, but what I read a while back about the reconciliation process says no as it's not a budgetary issue. I'm guessing that the Byrd Rule is coming into play as well.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

again, I personally ain;t holding my breath

Can they do the $15 dollars using the reconciliation process? I keep hearing conflicting things.

Sanders says yes they can, but what I read a while back about the reconciliation process says no as it's not a budgetary issue.

 

[Orange cream shake]

the concern needs to be whether the increase of minimum wage makes it (I doubt it) but of course Americans don't see the bigger picture.

however at the rate they're going currently they might fukk around and tank the whole bill.

A lot of us are well above that amount so it doesn’t impact us. I believe every adult working full time should have a livable wage. I’m for the increase. But my concern is what impact me, the additional 1400 and child tax credit changes.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

A lot of us are well above that amount so it doesn’t impact us. I believe every adult working full time should have a livable wage. I’m for the increase. But my concern is what impact me, the additional 1400 and child tax credit changes.

I'm curious as to what they are going to do about the student loan and rent moratorium. They are going to have to do something about two issues in particular long term especially when the moratorium ends. I also feel like they are going to have to get in with credit bureaus and wipe evictions from some people's credit because of this situation.

They are also going to have to come up off those child tax credit changes for longer than a year especially since the cost of child and daycare is steadily rising. Granted they should have foreseen the problem and nipped in the bud beforehand, but that's a discussion for a different day.

 

[Travelnomad]

the concern needs to be whether the increase of minimum wage makes it (I doubt it) but of course Americans don't see the bigger picture.

however at the rate they're going currently they might fukk around and tank the whole bill.

Yea cause the Dems have no backbone and some of them are centrists trying to please the republicans.. shyt is weird but 2022 is gonna be hilarious , can’t wait for the excuses to piled up .

 

[Malik1time]

the concern needs to be whether the increase of minimum wage makes it (I doubt it) but of course Americans don't see the bigger picture.

however at the rate they're going currently they might fukk around and tank the whole bill.

The bill has to pass
It would be a disaster if Biden fumbles this

 

[Travelnomad]

The bill has to pass
It would be a disaster if Biden fumbles this

It’s already not looking good for them , they can’t even get on the same page about half of the shyt on the bill .

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Oh it's gonna fumble.

Remember this post.

The bill has to pass
It would be a disaster if Biden fumbles this

 

[ItzRailT]

It's supposed to have floor vote this week I think the minimum wage increase is holding it up because they gotta see if it can voted on through budget reconciliation for the senate so it can pass with the 51 votes on Party Line Vote.

 

[2stainz]

Looks like the Repubs are deciding on opposing it

The GOP might oppose one of the most popular bills in decades. How risky is that?

By Aaron Blake
Feb. 25, 2021 at 11:20 a.m. EST

Republicans have seemingly found themselves on the very wrong side of some big legislative battles in recent years.

The tax cut package they pushed through in 2018, for instance, polled among the most unpopular bills passed — if not the most unpopular — in decades. Their 2017 effort to replace the Affordable Care Act was even more historically unpopular, with support falling as low as the teens in some polls (before Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona ended it with his thumbs-down).

And it would seem to be happening again, with Republican leaders pushing for their party to unite against President Biden’s hugely popular coronavirus stimulus bill. Some are characterizing this as a huge risk.

The reality is more complex.

The chart below caught my eye Wednesday. It’s from the Economist and compares polls of Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus package with other major pieces of legislation in recent decades. As you can see, it’s one of the rare policies that the vast majority of Americans seem to have agreed on for a very long time.

As some have logically argued, opposing such a popular bill could pose problems for the GOP. The legislation, after all, even has significant support among Republican voters — close to half favor it, in some polls. It also deals with a very obvious threat that Americans recognize and generally agree on. Republicans may object to the specifics of the measure, but politically speaking, they would be voting against something the vast majority of the American people want.

That said, the passage of the bill, in many ways, is just the beginning of the political (and electoral) fight. And some of the other bills included in the chart are instructive when it comes to how things can change both politically and practically, once something is actually passed.

WashingtonPost

 

[2stainz]

no one cares about the stimi anymore?

 

[Tha_Mac]

Looks like the Repubs are deciding on opposing it

The GOP might oppose one of the most popular bills in decades. How risky is that?

What are the GOP's motivations here? They are planning on opposing a bill that is overwhelming popular, a bill that hasn't had this much support of the population in years? Are they representing their constituents who are among the population who are for the bill? Or are they letting their own personal agendas get involved in doing something for the people?

I think we know the answer to the last question but what is driving the GOP, they surely can't think opposing getting financial aide to the the public is going to win them elections. I just don't get anything about their party or anyone who is such a strong defender of their party. They don't give a damn about the American people they just want power to enforce their beliefs.

I sure hope people are paying attention to this because it can never be forgotten who is trying to really help people and who does not give a damn about anything except their own ambitions and thirst for power.