The Sopranos Series - Re-Watch (Spoilers!!!)

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Some of this is just the plot/screen play mechanics, but it's also somewhat an indictment of how the FBI works, slowly and slowly build cases, offer more and more deals to sometimes murderers, all in the hope of a major RICO indictment that secures their status and career, an makes big headlines.

and also, I think it was sort of commentary that everyone are just people. FBI, whatever they are, they make mistakes, they get lazy, self serving, arrogant.

If they had McNulty and Lester going after them, Tony would've been indicted by S3
 

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This incompetent ass FBI always makes me laugh :russ: They truly picked the dumbest people to be flip and nothing ever came of it. Even Carlo flipping in the last season more than likely would’ve led to nothing as well. They had Big Pus since ‘98 supposedly but in season 3 they flashed back to ‘95 when the OJ civil trial was going on and he was already snitching. Ray Curto was snitching since I think season two or earlier, they never mention how long Jack Masserone was snitching and they never really got anything from Adrianna. All those agents would’ve been fired and the department heads as well.
Ade asked how long she would have to do this and I think the agent said something about the feds having a CI for like 18 years working towards a RICO indictment
 

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Some of this is just the plot/screen play mechanics, but it's also somewhat an indictment of how the FBI works, slowly and slowly build cases, offer more and more deals to sometimes murderers, all in the hope of a major RICO indictment that secures their status and career, an makes big headlines.

and also, I think it was sort of commentary that everyone are just people. FBI, whatever they are, they make mistakes, they get lazy, self serving, arrogant.
Also, just like real life, once 911 hit, they only were tasked on terrorism. And they still managed to catch everybody they wanted. So how dumb were they really?
 

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Yea and they always wanted meadow to be a physician... Instead she's a future mob lawyer married to a mob guys son

I'm of the belief tony got whacked (not sure why people try to say it didn't happen). Would've been interesting to have some sequel to see how shytty carm and AJ were doing. Meadow would've had to support them both.

AJ would've gotten deep into pills. 100% chance of that happening in 2007 jersey

Jersey crew absorbed or puppeted by nyc. Paulie installed as de facto boss bc he can be manipulated.

Carm spending her remaining years trying to recover as much of Tony's hidden assets as possible.

Carm had none of the business instincts or drive that Angie did to pick herself up after p*ssy got killed. She most likely ends up trying to get wit another mobster or in the poor house.

AJ mos def OD in the following years
 

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It's been said in here, but once Johnny Sac moved to NJ, it was the beginning of the end for the Soprano crew. Carmine Sr was making his move on them and it was just a matter of time.

Now where I'll say Tony had a chance to stop things was to either pick Sr or Johnny Sac but he didn't and to quote the show "more is lost by indecision than wrong decision". Tony shoulda either gonna thru wit killing Johnny Sac or helped him get Carmine out the picture....he did neither and paid the price cause Johnny never trusted him again, and Sr was always just a business...nothing more.
 
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It's been said in here, but once Johnny Sac moved to NJ, it was the beginning of the end for the Soprano crew. Carmine Sr was making his move on them and it was just a matter of time.

Now where I'll say Tony had a chance to stop things was to either pick Sr or Johnny Sac but he didn't and to quote the show "more is lost by indecision than wrong decision". Tony shoulda either gonna thru wit killing Johnny Sac or helped him get Carmine out the picture....he did neither and paid the price cause Johnny never trusted him again, and Sr was always just a business...nothing more.
I agree it was the beginning of the end for the glorified crew, but he didn't do wrong by not killing Johnny, b/c Johnny came to his senses once he saw his wife hoarding the candy, eating in secret. The hit was called off Ralph, and off the screen, Carmine must've squashed everything.

I've mentioned this before, but IMO, Johnny Sack was setting Tony up to take the fall had the hit on Carmine gone thru. Carmine and Tony had been squabbling, and all of a sudden he gets "car jacked?" No way Carmine's family and the other NY families would be believing that. Johnny has enough plausible deniability to say "hey, idk what happened, but I do know that Tony and Carmine have been at odds for months..." Johnny gives the greenlight on Tony so Phil or whoever else would take Tony out, and Jersey gets absorbed, with Johnny there to get the lion's share.
 
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Carm had none of the business instincts or drive that Angie did to pick herself up after p*ssy got killed. She most likely ends up trying to get wit another mobster or in the poor house.

AJ mos def OD in the following years
Angie was forced to develop business instincts and drive, especially with p*ssy vanishing Puerto Rico (or where ever tf he actually went), then getting whacked. Tony being a big earner even before being Boss, meant Carm been living a cushy ass life for a long time (look at the difference between Tony's crib vs. Puss') No chance she finally decides to "turn it on" at age 50 or whatever...she couldn't even get a real estate license :mjlol: She'd be living off Meadow, whatever hidden assets she can find, etc.
 

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I just noticed Bobby Bacala in the background of the scene in Casino where Nicky stabs the dude in the bar with the pen. He was the homie of the dude who gets stabbed. All these years and I never noticed until yesterday when I was watching it on my LG C3. My nephew bought me the 4K disc for Christmas and I noticed he looked familiar
 
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