The Spurs Coming For Steph Next Summer According To Bucher

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Steph signed that deal because he had no choice because of his reoccurring ankle injuries

He's going to get paid this time

He had a choice. He could have waited a year and bet on himself rather than signing that extension when his value was at it's lowest. That doesn't sound like a person bout they bread.

I'm saying if Myers offered him anything less than a 5 year max he'd probably consider that an insult and he'd have the right to feel that way.

Okay but I asked a specific question about this specific topic. It's very simple, if him and KD wanna make it work it will. I think they do, otherwise why even go through all this in the first place?
 

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He had a choice. He could have waited a year and bet on himself rather than signing that extension when his value was at it's lowest. That doesn't sound like a person bout they bread.



Okay but I asked a specific question about this specific topic. It's very simple, if him and KD wanna make it work it will. I think they do, otherwise why even go through all this in the first place?
I think its been explained. There will be no problem giving both Steph and KD the max next summer.
 

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That the Spurs are banking on Steph leaving due to Durant taking his shine here. The story was never about money.

He said "superstar space". That can be interpreted either way actually. Either way it sounds silly and unlikely.
 

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I think its been explained. There will be no problem giving both Steph and KD the max next summer.
Could you please refer me somewhere that explains how the warriors can max BOTH next summer with Klay and Draymond already maxed out?
 

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Could you please refer me somewhere that explains how the warriors can max BOTH next summer with Klay and Draymond already maxed out?
I'm happy you asked.



Question: What’s the impact of the recent lowered cap projection of $102M (down from $108M) for next July for the Warriors’ ability to fit max salaries for both Durant and Stephen Curry next summer?



My answer: It’s not as big a factor as you’d think.

In fact, in one way, a lowered cap figure (if it really is that low next July, and remember, these things get adjusted all the time) could help a bit, as explained by Danny Leroux here.

Yes, it’s true that for the Warriors to know they can give Durant the max next season, presuming he opts-out (which he will), they need to be able to fit such a contract into cap space. And that won’t be easy.
They won’t have his Bird rights by then, and any lowered cap number makes that trickier given their payroll.
But three things to remember in this case, as Curry and Durant both come up for new deals next summer:

1) The Warriors do have Curry’s Bird rights, so they can pay everybody whatever they have to under the cap, keeping Curry at his $16.4M cap hold, and after everybody else is signed–including Durant–THEN give Curry the max above and beyond the cap number.

You can always pay your own Bird rights players whatever it takes… so smart teams add the salary they have to under the cap… and then extend their Bird rights players above and beyond the cap line.

The Warriors might go into the luxury tax by doing this (as they did last season, but won’t in this coming season), but they’ve made a ton of money in the last two seasons.

I think Joe Lacob and Peter Guber can afford going into the luxury tax if that’s how they keep Curry and Durant.

2) If there’s a huge cap jam up next July and the Warriors can’t fit a Durant max, they can always give Durant a 20% raise from his current $26.5M max salary as a non-Bird free agent above and beyond the cap-line.

That’s not quite his max, but pretty good… and if they paid him that way, they would not need to fit it under cap space.

Under this scenario, Durant could opt-out next July and get $31.8M for the following season in another 1 + 1 deal, opt-out again, get another 20% raise to $38.2M and then build 7.5% raises off of that in a new four-year deal starting in July 2018.

That’s complicated. But none of it would have to fit under the cap, and that’s important.

If the Warriors don’t have to fit Durant under the cap next July, they can–for instance–keep Andre Iguodala’s and Shaun Livingston’s cap holds… or negotiate new contracts for beyond 2017 without much concern.

This summer, the Warriors haven’t signed any deals (other than Durant) beyond 2017 specifically because they don’t want to cut into their potential space for Durant’s new contract.

But if they don’t have to worry about that… many other things are possible.

If these projections are correct, Durant’s max next July would be $33.6M.

If he opted-out again, that max number isn’t projected to go much higher… in other words, there wouldn’t be a large
difference between his true max (which would necessitate cap space) and the 20% raise (which doesn’t use cap space).

Maybe it comes to this for Durant: The Warriors might need to either sacrifice Livingston or Iguodala to give Durant the full max (with cap space)… or he could take a little bit less (with the 20% raise not using cap space) and they could keep both.

3) Warriors management just figured out how to add Durant to their core four group by opening up a max slot and moving a handful of players while everybody else in the league looked on.

You think the Warriors couldn’t figure out a way to fit Durant next July? They would. They’re already planning for this. They’re good at planning.

Another thing: The lowered number is just a projection for a year from now and it has already changed once.


How the Warriors can sign both Durant and Curry next summer and many more non-hysterical answers to hyper-ventilating questions - Talking Points
 

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I'm happy you asked.



Question: What’s the impact of the recent lowered cap projection of $102M (down from $108M) for next July for the Warriors’ ability to fit max salaries for both Durant and Stephen Curry next summer?



My answer: It’s not as big a factor as you’d think.

In fact, in one way, a lowered cap figure (if it really is that low next July, and remember, these things get adjusted all the time) could help a bit, as explained by Danny Leroux here.

Yes, it’s true that for the Warriors to know they can give Durant the max next season, presuming he opts-out (which he will), they need to be able to fit such a contract into cap space. And that won’t be easy.
They won’t have his Bird rights by then, and any lowered cap number makes that trickier given their payroll.
But three things to remember in this case, as Curry and Durant both come up for new deals next summer:

1) The Warriors do have Curry’s Bird rights, so they can pay everybody whatever they have to under the cap, keeping Curry at his $16.4M cap hold, and after everybody else is signed–including Durant–THEN give Curry the max above and beyond the cap number.

You can always pay your own Bird rights players whatever it takes… so smart teams add the salary they have to under the cap… and then extend their Bird rights players above and beyond the cap line.

The Warriors might go into the luxury tax by doing this (as they did last season, but won’t in this coming season), but they’ve made a ton of money in the last two seasons.

I think Joe Lacob and Peter Guber can afford going into the luxury tax if that’s how they keep Curry and Durant.

2) If there’s a huge cap jam up next July and the Warriors can’t fit a Durant max, they can always give Durant a 20% raise from his current $26.5M max salary as a non-Bird free agent above and beyond the cap-line.

That’s not quite his max, but pretty good… and if they paid him that way, they would not need to fit it under cap space.

Under this scenario, Durant could opt-out next July and get $31.8M for the following season in another 1 + 1 deal, opt-out again, get another 20% raise to $38.2M and then build 7.5% raises off of that in a new four-year deal starting in July 2018.

That’s complicated. But none of it would have to fit under the cap, and that’s important.

If the Warriors don’t have to fit Durant under the cap next July, they can–for instance–keep Andre Iguodala’s and Shaun Livingston’s cap holds… or negotiate new contracts for beyond 2017 without much concern.

This summer, the Warriors haven’t signed any deals (other than Durant) beyond 2017 specifically because they don’t want to cut into their potential space for Durant’s new contract.

But if they don’t have to worry about that… many other things are possible.

If these projections are correct, Durant’s max next July would be $33.6M.

If he opted-out again, that max number isn’t projected to go much higher… in other words, there wouldn’t be a large
difference between his true max (which would necessitate cap space) and the 20% raise (which doesn’t use cap space).

Maybe it comes to this for Durant: The Warriors might need to either sacrifice Livingston or Iguodala to give Durant the full max (with cap space)… or he could take a little bit less (with the 20% raise not using cap space) and they could keep both.

3) Warriors management just figured out how to add Durant to their core four group by opening up a max slot and moving a handful of players while everybody else in the league looked on.

You think the Warriors couldn’t figure out a way to fit Durant next July? They would. They’re already planning for this. They’re good at planning.

Another thing: The lowered number is just a projection for a year from now and it has already changed once.


How the Warriors can sign both Durant and Curry next summer and many more non-hysterical answers to hyper-ventilating questions - Talking Points

Cool thanks, I love reading how teams make complicated issues work.

Who would you rather sacrifice: Iggy or Livingston if it comes to that?
 
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