The State of Masculinity

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

No more alimony and no more child support.

Don't get divorced and don't have children. Seems like a rather simple solution.


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[Liu Kang]

[...]Are we (men) on the wrong side of history? Has an organized system (humanity) ever radically altered its behavior and components without collapsing?

You forget the thousands of years before where men were in power...
Matter of fact, WE are still in power today : what's the male to female ratio of multinational corporation bosses, of politicians, of religious chefs, of the richest people in the world, of military high ranking individuals, of decision makers in every indutries etc... ?

Let's be real, you are not afraid of a civilisation collapse, you're just afraid to lose your position (as a man) in society.

How is it unfair for women to simply ask for a 50/50 in those positions ? I mean it's not like they are nearly half the world, right ?

 

[Lana Kane]

TEEN PREGNANCY HAS BEEN DECLINING FOR SOME TIME EXCEPT IN THE REGIONS WHERE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS REFUSE TO LET KIDS LEARN ABOUT CONDOMS, BROTHER!


DESPITE THE BLEATING OF INTERNET MENS' RIGHTS ADVOCATES, FALSE RAPE CONVICTIONS ARE EXTREMELY RARE AND HAPPEN FAR LESS OFTEN THAN FAILURE TO CONVICT AND UNREPORTED RAPES, DUDE!


ALIMONY HAS SOME ARCHAIC FEATURES BUT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WOMEN STILL MAKE ABOUT 75% OF THE PAY MEN MAKE FOR THE SAME WORK, IT'S FUNNY TO SEE THIS COMPLAINT, MEAN GENE!


OVERWORKED ADMINISTRATORS ARE JUST TRYING TO NOT GET SUED, JACK!


THE HULKSTER SEES GUYS ONLINE SAY THIS ALL THE TIME AND THEN TURN AROUND AND COMPLAIN THAT WOMEN ARE DEVIOUS, SCHEMING, SUPERVILLAIN-LEVEL CHEATERS WHO PLAY THEM LIKE FIDDLES, BROTHER! WHICH IS IT, DUDE?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I have had many positive experiences with women. I love women, but i see them for what they are. I also see how the state supports women's choices at the expense of men. It's all good though, most people are just upset that men are starting to critically think their place in society, and are not giving in to the gynocentric view. Butthurt that we won't be their slaves anymore.

Reduce men's support & obligation to the state, that is all i care about anymore.

Statements like the bolded sentence are why I can't take you guys seriously.

You said you see women for what they are. What are they?

 

[Swirv]

All these issues go back to the source of the problem which is white colonialism.

 

[WhiteDawg3000]

subs

 

[Scustin Trillberlake]

Statements like the bolded sentence are why I can't take you guys seriously.

You said you see women for what they are. What are they?

Women have a biology imperative to secure resources and safety. Feminism supports this imperative by supporting and enforcing governance & law that favour women. This biological imperative is what allows women to have the favoured view on gender in the public discourse.

It is what allows women to shame and belittle non sexual dominate men. It allows bias domestic violence campaigns, bias court settlements, unfair child support etc.

Most women say that feminism is for men too, but they are blind to their own biological imperative, the state supports this imperative at the expense of men.

The average man is being cuckolded by government.

Not really hard to follow.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Women have a biology imperative to secure resources and safety. Feminism supports this imperative by supporting and enforcing governance & law that favour women. This biological imperative is what allows women to have the favoured view on gender in the public discourse.

It is what allows women to shame and belittle non sexual dominate men. It allows bias domestic violence campaigns, bias court settlements, unfair child support etc.

Most women say that feminism is for men too, but they are blind to their own biological imperative, the state supports this imperative at the expense of men.

The average man is being cuckolded by government.

Not really hard to follow.

I'm pretty sure every single sentence in this post except the last one contains a logical fallacy.

 

[Jesus]

Everytime I try to take this sub forums seriously...I read threads like these.

 

[Scustin Trillberlake]

I'm pretty sure every single sentence in this post except the last one contains a logical fallacy.

Explain bruh.

 

[Serious]

Everytime I try to take this sub forums seriously...I read threads like these.

it's not what it looks like....

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Explain bruh.

Ok.

Women have a biology imperative to secure resources and safety.

Uh, everyone has a biological imperative to secure resources and safety. That's why you eat, drink, sleep, go to working, earn money, buy a gun, and put a security system on your house.

I'm not sure what is meant by this specifically, but it sounds like a classic case of extrapolation of a flimsy biological narrative to support a pre-conceived ideological bias.

Feminism supports this imperative by supporting and enforcing governance & law that favour women.

Feminism at its core is about achieving equal rights and protections for women that were historically denied. You may have a some quarrels with some of the laws enacted with regard to gender, but smearing feminism in its totality isn't accurate.

Feminism also brought about women having the right to vote, which wasn't totally secured in this country until 1920. Or do you think that was a bad thing?

This biological imperative is what allows women to have the favoured view on gender in the public discourse.

I don't even know what this means, but it sounds like nonsense.

It is what allows women to shame and belittle non sexual dominate men.

No woman shames me. You can't be shamed unless you allow someone to shame you. Men don't shame women too? Women aren't pressured to look and act a certain way and don't have societal pressure heaped on them about their body images and sexual behavior?

People try to shame each other regardless of gender. That's the world.

And what do you mean by "non-sexual dominate men"? Men who can't lay pipe? Sucks for them, but it sounds like a personal issue.

It allows bias domestic violence campaigns, bias court settlements, unfair child support etc.

Biased domestic violence campaigns? Women are by far the greater recipients of domestic violence than men, and are generally more susceptible to it because they tend to be the physically weaker of the two sexes. It's a major issue that needs to be addressed and fought against.

I'm actually with you when it comes to biased court settlements and alimony. But like something you will probably cite about men being unfairly arrested for domestic violence, you guys highlight anecdotal, minor discrepancies and injustices and try to magnify them into tyrannical oppression of men.

Most women say that feminism is for men too, but they are blind to their own biological imperative, the state supports this imperative at the expense of men.

Your basing everything around this imaginary, assumed "biological imperative" which you haven't even explained or supported and radiating these hollow talking points out from that.

The notion that the state is oppressing men is pretty ridiculous when you consider the vast majority of elected office-holders, lawyers, judges, and academics are all men. I don't think they're actively conspiring against their own sex.

The average man is being cuckolded by government.

More absurd hyperbole. See above

Not really hard to follow.

Not hard to refute either.

 

[Jesus]

it's not what it looks like....

I'll keep on trying...

 

[Scustin Trillberlake]

Ok.



Uh, everyone has a biological imperative to secure resources and safety. That's why you eat, drink, sleep, go to working, earn money, buy a gun, and put a security system on your house.

I'm not sure what is meant by this specifically, but it sounds like a classic case of extrapolation of a flimsy biological narrative to support a pre-conceived ideological bias.



Feminism at its core is about achieving equal rights and protections for women that were historically denied. You may have a some quarrels with some of the laws enacted with regard to gender, but smearing feminism in its totality isn't accurate.

Feminism also brought about women having the right to vote, which wasn't totally secured in this country until 1920. Or do you think that was a bad thing?



I don't even know what this means, but it sounds like nonsense.



No woman shames me. You can't be shamed unless you allow someone to shame you. Men don't shame women too? Women aren't pressured to look and act a certain way and don't have societal pressure heaped on them about their body images and sexual behavior?

People try to shame each other regardless of gender. That's the world.

And what do you mean by "non-sexual dominate men"? Men who can't lay pipe? Sucks for them, but it sounds like a personal issue.



Biased domestic violence campaigns? Women are by far the greater recipients of domestic violence than men, and are generally more susceptible to it because they tend to be the physically weaker of the two sexes. It's a major issue that needs to be addressed and fought against.

I'm actually with you when it comes to biased court settlements and alimony. But like something you will probably cite about men being unfairly arrested for domestic violence, you guys highlight anecdotal, minor discrepancies and injustices and try to magnify them into tyrannical oppression of men.



Your basing everything around this imaginary, assumed "biological imperative" which you haven't even explained or supported and radiating these hollow talking points out from that.

The notion that the state is oppressing men is pretty ridiculous when you consider the vast majority of elected office-holders, lawyers, judges, and academics are all men. I don't think they're actively conspiring against their own sex.



More absurd hyperbole. See above


Not hard to refute either.

1) I should have been more clear. Men do not have a biological imperative to secure resources and safety during mate selection. Men lean towards attractiveness and the appearance of good health.

2) The right to vote in most western nations was not exclusively a gender issue. It was a class issue.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d25esQeBoU[/ame]

Like i have said before, feminists distort the facts to push an agenda, they do this across many different issues, blaming feminism for this is completely just and accurate.

3) I agree that both sexes shame each other, and both sexes have gender roles that society expects them to follow, however, the female imperative is always the PC socially accepted point of view.

man who doesn't want kids = scum
woman who doesn't want kids = empowered

4) "Biased domestic violence campaigns? Women are by far the greater recipients of domestic violence than men, and are generally more susceptible to it because they tend to be the physically weaker of the two sexes"

100% false.

Most countries show parity in domestic violence:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/news-updates/news-release-dv-is-not-men-only/

If you look at violence in society as a whole, men are more susceptible to violence than women.

5) "The notion that the state is oppressing men is pretty ridiculous" Maybe oppression is a bit strong. However, the state does support women's issues at the expense of men.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminis...who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune-or-does-he/

This causes major, major issues that affect the lives of men. Why is breast cancer funded 700% more than prostate cancer? Why do men pay more taxes but have less access to services?

"vast majority of elected office-holders, lawyers, judges, and academics are all men. I don't think they're actively conspiring against their own sex."

There is nothing stopping women from presuing these careers & positions. Women are not represented in those positions because they choose not to do so. Evil boogie men are stopping women from becoming lawyers.

 

[Consigliere]

Why Does it Matter?

‘While there are statistically more boy geniuses than girl geniuses, far more boys than girls are found at the very bottom of the academic ranks. School districts from Massachusetts to Minnesota to California report that boys are withdrawing from the life of schools, and girls are taking over.

“Girls outperform boys in elementary school, middle school, high school, and college, and graduate school,” says Dr. Michael Thompson, a school psychologist who writes about the academic problems of boys in his book, "Raising Cain." He says that after decades of special attention, girls are soaring, while boys are stagnating.’


source:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-527678.html


Children are being diagnosed with ADHD at an increasing rate and there is a growing disparity between the genders. ADHD is being wildly over-diagnosed in young males. Have boys developmentally changed? Is this being caused by environmental factors? Or (my hypothesis) has society changed the way it views and treats normal adolescent male behavior?

‘Fifteen percent of school-age boys have received an A.D.H.D. diagnosis, the data showed; the rate for girls was 7 percent. Diagnoses among those of high-school age — 14 to 17 — were particularly high, 10 percent for girls and 19 percent for boys. About one in 10 high-school boys currently takes A.D.H.D. medication, the data showed.’

Rates by state are less precise but vary widely. Southern states, like Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, South Carolina and Tennessee, showed about 23 percent of school-age boys receiving an A.D.H.D. diagnosis.'



source: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/health/more-diagnoses-of-hyperactivity-causing-concern.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Normal adolescent male behavior is now being viewed as abnormal. As a result these children are being diagnosed with stimulants with side effects ranging from depression to insomnia to suicidal thoughts to aggression. This suggests that we are prescribing boys with medication that causes or aggravates existing mental health problems. There’s also the increased likelihood that children prescribed with ADHD drugs will graduate to using illegal drugs. When I was in school almost every kid I know that was prescribed with Ritalin was snorting it or selling it. Kids with Ritalin and Adderall are like little Jesse Pinkmans.

Our prisons are filled with men with mental health problems. Horrific outbursts of violence like the Arizona and Sandy Hook shootings, the Boston Marathon bombing, and a significant amount of the day to day violence in our cities could be viewed as misplaced male aggression. Videogames and the internet. Violence and fapping. Virtual jollies. I’m not even going to get into the aggressive content of the porn these kids are watching.

The point of this conversation is that there’s unrest within the male population and we should talk about it. It’s easy to overlook the problems of men, we’re told to toughen up and deal with it because we have all the advantages of male privilege. Does this rationale even work in a society that appears to be softening and devaluing those advantages?